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19th April 2020 at 8:36 pm #95038
You are absolutely spot on, the difference now in UK is covid will only be recorded as a cause of death if the coroner records it so…. so UK wise you’ll see the numbers slow…. buuutttttt the argument that the nhs is having ( and ill just use my partners hospital as an example ), if a cancer patient caught flu ( for example ) and died, was it the cancer that killed them ? Kind of No … did it help having it ? No …equally did the flu kill them ? Kind of no , but flu and the cancer made it easier for pnumonia to set in ( as an example ) so it’s recorded as a “joint causes of death” with the cancer outlined as the bulk cause .. the length of time somebody has left ( if we presume is more than a few days ) is somewhat irrelevant… so the nhs are arguing ( at least in this area ) that anything that shortens a predicted life span, even in a terminal case … has to be recorded as such …because that is the way the guide lines have always outlined
“ All other important diseases or conditions that were present at the time of death and that may have contributed to the death, but did not lead to the underlying cause of death “
the government want this scrubbed ( and I’m not making this political ) because obviously end of life patients, or seriously Ill people who catch covid (and dying through their frailty ) are distorting the numbers…but If most ( even terminal ) are dying sooner than their predicted time then It has to be acknowledged that something else was there , I don’t know the answer and I’m not judging anybody who has an opinion…. but we record pneumonia with cause of death such as cancers, so I believe we should record covid ……..even if that reflects a high number
Thing is that cancer is not something you catch from others, and Covid-19 hasn’t killed anyone without underlying medical conditions, so giving Covid-19 the blame for a terminal patient catching it and dying comes off as wrong to me. But hey, that’s just my 2 cents. We’ll see what’s what when the storm has settled. Pretty sure it’s just overrated media hype to be honest.
COVID-19 has killed many people without any underlying health conditions, what rock are you under?
Hearth conditions, diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, lung diseases and tons of other things count as underlying health conditions. Nobody who’s perfectly healthy has died from the virus. Just cus someone doesn’t have an identified diagnosis doesn’t mean they don’t have an underlying condition. It’s pretty simple and basic stuff to understand that when some people don’t even notice they’ve been infected before they’re virus free, it means people who die from it have underlying conditions. Covid-19 doesn’t kill anyone by itself.
For someone with the 3rd highest IQ in the world, you’re not that bright
19th April 2020 at 8:49 pm #95039You are absolutely spot on, the difference now in UK is covid will only be recorded as a cause of death if the coroner records it so…. so UK wise you’ll see the numbers slow…. buuutttttt the argument that the nhs is having ( and ill just use my partners hospital as an example ), if a cancer patient caught flu ( for example ) and died, was it the cancer that killed them ? Kind of No … did it help having it ? No …equally did the flu kill them ? Kind of no , but flu and the cancer made it easier for pnumonia to set in ( as an example ) so it’s recorded as a “joint causes of death” with the cancer outlined as the bulk cause .. the length of time somebody has left ( if we presume is more than a few days ) is somewhat irrelevant… so the nhs are arguing ( at least in this area ) that anything that shortens a predicted life span, even in a terminal case … has to be recorded as such …because that is the way the guide lines have always outlined
“ All other important diseases or conditions that were present at the time of death and that may have contributed to the death, but did not lead to the underlying cause of death “
the government want this scrubbed ( and I’m not making this political ) because obviously end of life patients, or seriously Ill people who catch covid (and dying through their frailty ) are distorting the numbers…but If most ( even terminal ) are dying sooner than their predicted time then It has to be acknowledged that something else was there , I don’t know the answer and I’m not judging anybody who has an opinion…. but we record pneumonia with cause of death such as cancers, so I believe we should record covid ……..even if that reflects a high number
Thing is that cancer is not something you catch from others, and Covid-19 hasn’t killed anyone without underlying medical conditions, so giving Covid-19 the blame for a terminal patient catching it and dying comes off as wrong to me. But hey, that’s just my 2 cents. We’ll see what’s what when the storm has settled. Pretty sure it’s just overrated media hype to be honest.
COVID-19 has killed many people without any underlying health conditions, what rock are you under?
Hearth conditions, diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, lung diseases and tons of other things count as underlying health conditions. Nobody who’s perfectly healthy has died from the virus. Just cus someone doesn’t have an identified diagnosis doesn’t mean they don’t have an underlying condition. It’s pretty simple and basic stuff to understand that when some people don’t even notice they’ve been infected before they’re virus free, it means people who die from it have underlying conditions. Covid-19 doesn’t kill anyone by itself.
For someone with the 3rd highest IQ in the world, you’re not that bright
Nice attempt to discredit a statement without any argument at all. Is your life really boring enough for you to find joy in throwing insults on the internet at random people you don’t know?
19th April 2020 at 9:08 pm #95041Nice attempt to discredit a statement without any argument at all. Is your life really boring enough for you to find joy in throwing insults on the internet at random people you don’t know?3 family members are front line on the covid ward here in Blackpool. It’s worrying times and the garbage you’re posting isn’t helpful. By your way of looking at it, from the second we are born we are dying, so therefore nobody dies of anything other than that.
You say I’m throwing insults, the last message to me you called me an asshat
19th April 2020 at 9:22 pm #95045Nice attempt to discredit a statement without any argument at all. Is your life really boring enough for you to find joy in throwing insults on the internet at random people you don’t know?3 family members are front line on the covid ward here in Blackpool. It’s worrying times and the garbage you’re posting isn’t helpful. By your way of looking at it, from the second we are born we are dying, so therefore nobody dies of anything other than that.
You say I’m throwing insults, the last message to me you called me an asshat
I’m sorry about your family members, I truly am. Do they not have any other medical conditions either? Cus reports from Italy said 99.2% of those who died had underlying medical conditions. Logic then says the remaining 0.8% then had unidentified underlying conditions, don’t you think?
Yes, I called you an asshat in a response to you being a cunt for no reason. Pretty fair
19th April 2020 at 11:25 pm #95054It’s hard to say for sure what’s what, but I do believe the media is oversensationalizing this to make moneyThey absolutely are. But that’s about the only point that you have raised on this topic that I actually agree with.
19th April 2020 at 11:55 pm #95055It’s hard to say for sure what’s what, but I do believe the media is oversensationalizing this to make moneyThey absolutely are. But that’s about the only point that you have raised on this topic that I actually agree with.
Well.. Some of what I posted are my opinions and interpretations of the situation, but a lot of what I posted are facts. Like how different countries have different criteria for what qualifies as corona deaths. Amongst others.
20th April 2020 at 1:22 am #95061That my friend is wrong. This virus is manipulated. If you do enough research instead of listening to the news you will get your eyes opened big time. Ill leave with 1 pointer to go on. A virus can have a patent on it, but only if the virus is altered ie man made ( not in its original form) this can only have a patent on it for vaccine purposes. Now a patent was suspiciously only granted in November 2019. This is just many reason have a look and get back to me.
20th April 2020 at 6:24 am #95079That my friend is wrong. This virus is manipulated. If you do enough research instead of listening to the news you will get your eyes opened big time. Ill leave with 1 pointer to go on. A virus can have a patent on it, but only if the virus is altered ie man made ( not in its original form) this can only have a patent on it for vaccine purposes. Now a patent was suspiciously only granted in November 2019. This is just many reason have a look and get back to me.
Nope…. Coronavirus has always existed…sars and mers were types of coronus , so yes there are patents for coronus type viruses around now, but they are for respiratory viruses that exist in chickens and that patent is owned by a company in the uk …there is no patent on SARS-CoV-2 betacoronavirus.. what your claiming has been wildly reported by anti vaccination groups and has been discredited …. around the world .100 of times ….( and as icing on the cake, the same people making these calm your quoting also suggest that bill gates and his wife have the patent and have been using the virus to sell pointless antidotes ……..)
20th April 2020 at 7:30 am #95081An 18 year old Male and a 21 year old Female died after testing positive to COVID-19 in the UK, but guess what? You can Google both these deaths.
They both had no underlying health issues. Please explain these deaths?
20th April 2020 at 9:24 am #95085An 18 year old Male and a 21 year old Female died after testing positive to COVID-19 in the UK, but guess what? You can Google both these deaths.
They both had no underlying health issues. Please explain these deaths?
The most well known Is Chloe
“Her death was very sad but as she had a natural cause of death, involvement by the coroner was not required and the hospital issued a death certificate, recording her cause of death as Covid-19. The hospital declined to comment but an NHS source told the BBC Ms Middleton was not tested at the hospital because she was never admitted as an inpatient.” she was never tested for it, and her family spread the news that she died of it ….Which the media grabbed
In a series of widely-reported social media posts following her death, Ms Middleton’s family said she “had passed away from Covid-19” and urged others to “do your bit” to stop the spread.
and then 18 year old lad
“ An 18-year-old man diagnosed with the coronavirus died at the weekend in hospital in Coventry, where he was being treated for “significant underlying health issues”.
or this
“On Sunday the NHS suggested an 18-year-old male had died from coronavirus, but it has since emerged that the teenager had tested positive for the disease in a hospital in Coventry but died from an unrelated condition”
unless you state your case, especially who ? People can’t really comment in it …..
20th April 2020 at 9:45 am #95086Listen before this all goes fucking weird…
we all care, we all have stories that depending on what you read can be disapproved by one paper / website or another….some of us have frontline information some don’t….
what’s undoubtably true is … everybody need to be safe … for them selfs and others….
regarding op… it isn’t over the top reaction, the more serious we take it, the quicker it ends…..
Just be fucking safe
20th April 2020 at 10:06 am #95090Just be fucking safeIndeed, we all have a part to play in ridding the world of it ??
20th April 2020 at 10:06 am #95091Just be fucking safeIndeed, we all have a part to play in ridding the world of it
Wise word my man
20th April 2020 at 10:12 am #95092Listen before this all goes fucking weird…
we all care, we all have stories that depending on what you read can be disapproved by one paper / website or another….some of us have frontline information some don’t….
what’s undoubtably true is … everybody need to be safe … for them selfs and others….
regarding op… it isn’t over the top reaction, the more serious we take it, the quicker it ends…..
Just be fucking safe
Agreed. The only thing I can add to this from information that isn’t known is my step father worth for American air filters, one of their factories is based in Wuhan. In November before this was even a known problem the factory was temporarily closed down and the staff in the UK were told due to illness many staff couldn’t work so they closed the factory to save some money in the short term. My stepfather’s friend who was over in the factory as a overseas worker told him that it was a unknown illness and that the morgues in wuhan were working 24/7. My stepfather told me this information in February but I had to deep diving through the information online from about January. So with his inside information my conclusion can only be, they have lied about when it started and they have lied about how many people have died from it. Of course this is isn’t much of a shock but for me it is proof that they have doctored so many things and unless we get the true stats from China AND every other country, we will never truly know the real stats and figures. In addition to this is, my girlfriend is a frontline ITU nurse in the north east. Every single patient on her ward is a elderly man, big belly and skinny arms, no underlying health issues. My opinion is if someone has a terminal illness say for example lung cancer and they contract covid 19 and then sadly die then it must be written as such, you can’t say this person was going to die anyways so we will put their terminal illness as cause of death. It’s the same as saying if someone with lung cancer got hit by a car that cause of death was lung cancer, it obviously wasn’t because nobody knows how long that person may have survived if they didn’t catch covid19/get hit by a car.
20th April 2020 at 10:16 am #95095Listen before this all goes fucking weird…
we all care, we all have stories that depending on what you read can be disapproved by one paper / website or another….some of us have frontline information some don’t….
what’s undoubtably true is … everybody need to be safe … for them selfs and others….
regarding op… it isn’t over the top reaction, the more serious we take it, the quicker it ends…..
Just be fucking safe
Agreed. The only thing I can add to this from information that isn’t known is my step father worth for American air filters, one of their factories is based in Wuhan. In November before this was even a known problem the factory was temporarily closed down and the staff in the UK were told due to illness many staff couldn’t work so they closed the factory to save some money in the short term. My stepfather’s friend who was over in the factory as a overseas worker told him that it was a unknown illness and that the morgues in wuhan were working 24/7. My stepfather told me this information in February but I had to deep diving through the information online from about January. So with his inside information my conclusion can only be, they have lied about when it started and they have lied about how many people have died from it. Of course this is isn’t much of a shock but for me it is proof that they have doctored so many things and unless we get the true stats from China AND every other country, we will never truly know the real stats and figures. In addition to this is, my girlfriend is a frontline ITU nurse in the north east. Every single patient on her ward is a elderly man, big belly and skinny arms, no underlying health issues. My opinion is if someone has a terminal illness say for example lung cancer and they contract covid 19 and then sadly die then it must be written as such, you can’t say this person was going to die anyways so we will put their terminal illness as cause of death. It’s the same as saying if someone with lung cancer got hit by a car that cause of death was lung cancer, it obviously wasn’t because nobody knows how long that person may have survived if they didn’t catch covid19/get hit by a car.
Totally agree, the virus has been around for many many decades, when you catch a cold you catch a form of covid and so forth…. China have been the worst regarding this, there is no doubt they have hidden stuff, deaths and tally and it will come out, but for now we just need to sit on it, fix it and we can then ask those fucking awkward questions before sending a bill to China for the medical care ( can you imagine ???????)
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A gambler’s question about Corona-19.
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Just be fucking safe
Indeed, we all have a part to play in ridding the world of it
Wise word my man
