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[TheSchwad WANTED $20 Outlaw]

I was playing the exclusive Harry’s Reels on BetVictor (don’t know why, it’s extremely boring) and thought to check the RTP.

It was interesting to see the RTP displayed as combined and by Base game Vs Free Spins. Is this the same for all games, and why don’t they all display like this. Wonder what the Novomatics split RTP would look like (50/50 or 30/70 for Captain Venture).

Does this also mean if I played for thousands of spins (ala Bonanza) without the bonus would I be getting a horrendous 71.9%? Its quite interesting, especially when thinking about games good for wagering. The safe option would always be a game with a much higher Base Game RTP or games without a bonus at all.

 

 

[Biohazard WANTED $675 Outlaw]

TheSchwad wrote:

Does this also mean if I played for thousands of spins (ala Bonanza) without the bonus would I be getting a horrendous 71.9%?

Theoretically, yes. But realistically, no. You could be anywhere from 10% to 10,000% in that small sample size. The average of billions of spins would result in very close to 71.9% without the bonus landing.

I’ve never seen the RTP displayed in this way – I like it! Shows you how much potential they have reserved for the bonus itself.

[TheSchwad WANTED $20 Outlaw]

Biohazard wrote:

TheSchwad wrote:

Does this also mean if I played for thousands of spins (ala Bonanza) without the bonus would I be getting a horrendous 71.9%?

Theoretically, yes. But realistically, no. You could be anywhere from 10% to 10,000% in that small sample size. The average of billions of spins would result in very close to 71.9% without the bonus landing.

I’ve never seen the RTP displayed in this way – I like it! Shows you how much potential they have reserved for the bonus itself.

I know it’s never gonna happen but would be nice if all games were displayed like this. Maybe the UKGC could force on this on providers and casinos instead of other crazy rulings that are forcing casinos out of the UK market.

[Winningbird WANTED $574 Outlaw]

I like it. It does make you wonder about the high variance slots though.. I wonder how they would be set..

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

All game provider information sent to casinos is sent like this. Its very uncommon for it to be shown to the player like this.

The base game RTP on some slots is incredibly low, think Vikings by netent, but Bonanza is very very high with volatility due to difficulty of landing the bonus making up for lower bonus RTP.

Some slots have 4 of 5 features, think Blueprint games, each of those small bonuses and wheels like on Goonies will all be calculated to affect RTP.

 

[Dynamik23 WANTED $82 Outlaw]

eejit101 wrote:

All game provider information sent to casinos is sent like this. Its very uncommon for it to be shown to the player like this.

The base game RTP on some slots is incredibly low, think Vikings by netent, but Bonanza is very very high with volatility due to difficulty of landing the bonus making up for lower bonus RTP.

Some slots have 4 of 5 features, think Blueprint games, each of those small bonuses and wheels like on Goonies will all be calculated to affect RTP.

 

So if I contacted live chat and asked them for the RTP this way for a specific game they could do that?

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Dynamik23 wrote:

eejit101 wrote:

All game provider information sent to casinos is sent like this. Its very uncommon for it to be shown to the player like this.

The base game RTP on some slots is incredibly low, think Vikings by netent, but Bonanza is very very high with volatility due to difficulty of landing the bonus making up for lower bonus RTP.

Some slots have 4 of 5 features, think Blueprint games, each of those small bonuses and wheels like on Goonies will all be calculated to affect RTP.

 

So if I contacted live chat and asked them for the RTP this way for a specific game they could do that?

Of course, but it does say on all slots in the information. It has to.

[TheSchwad WANTED $20 Outlaw]

So I have another question relating to RTP (I know I’m obsessed) but on games where the player can gamble the bonus. After losing yet another gamble at 83% on WWTBAM from 8 spins and getting no bonus, I thought to check with SlotTracker my RTP. And also checked the community RTP. Both are way lower than the expected which I put down to people gambling their bonus or spins. (RTP on SlotTracker is total money in vs out over time regardless of stake.  SRP is based on a spin by spin basis so the more accurate measure here.) So 79.99% in 10,501 spins and 72.71% in 345,644 spins.

So I thought which other games can you also gamble the bonus, so checked extra chilli and Red Tigers Mystery Reels. As I’ve not played much on either I’ve only included the Community Total spins. So the difference here isn’t too bad and Mystery Reels is a bit of anomaly as Casinos can set different RTP’s, though it is set to 98% on Good Sites (remember reading somewhere 98% RTP on this game is only achievable if always gambling to 30 spins as best strategy) and also 41,395 is a very small sample size.

So I’ll finally get to my point!

Am I correct in assuming these games have lower than expected RTP due to people gambling and losing? is this the provider’s fault, gamblers are always gonna be greedy? And how do the providers reconcile the machine not hitting RTP? (assuming what I heard is true, that if a game is significantly off after a certain amount of spins it has to be reported and re-checked).

Can anyone think of other games where the bonus is gambled so I can check my theory further? Only Wolf Legend comes to mind and that goes against what I suspected.

Hope I didn’t waffle too much.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Absolutely down to people gambling bonuses. The RTP will be set for everyone collecting the 8 spins, with the gamble of the wheel being RTP on that.

 

Whats weird for me is I expected this to be a lot lot higher. But this isnt a huge sample size, and its quite possible there is a win combination that hasnt been hit which would drive this up (25,000x or so)

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