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9th August 2018 at 10:39 am #13080
Picking games are predetermined, they have to be to obey the rules of the RNG as set out by the Gambling commission.
It doesn’t matter what you pick, it is already decided. The fact that they show you what you could have picked is sailing very close to the legal wind as it suggests you could have made a better losing decision, but this is not the case. I believe these slots could actually be banned/forced to be modified by the Gambling commission if people complained enough. They are deceptive and mislead the player. IMO the question is asked often enough in gambling circles to constitute a “reasonable” misunderstanding of how they work. At the very least slots should be clearer about the fact that the picks are predetermined.
It is easy to see for yourself if you download a program like fiddler and examine the incoming json payload to the slot which in the majority of slots is unencrypted. It clearly identifies the picks you will make before you click any buttons. If the picks are also monetary amounts the total will also be in the data.
This works slightly different in bonuses with free spins. Each spin is random as it must be so the total win amount is not predetermined. So in secret of the stones for example, the picks are predetermined but the outcome of the free spins is not. These are individual random spins based on the modifiers.
Hope this helps
You are incorrect and correct.
It depends on the game, however as some have already said if your shown at the end it generally means it was a true pick if not it was pre determined.
I have worked on slots as well as SIMs, and once before we even did one that learnt player behavior and it adjusted the picks before the first pick to try and guess where the player would pick, eg if they pick the same each time etc. As long as its done before the player picks its totally allowed, or it used to be not sure now with all the new rules lol
This is very concerning if true, as I always make the same picks each time no matter what (starting from top left). Surely nowadays with strict RTP regulation, this would breach that if the slot kept putting the worst picks behind the objects that the player picks the most?
9th August 2018 at 11:59 am #13086Well im not saying there is games out there now, Im just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat ( in this case a player ) and still sticking to the rules. Unfortunately there are many legal tricks like this in slot providers manual to skew games, as long as they hit the RTP long term, which they will its all compliant well was at last time we used it.
Providing the items are not moved when the player makes their selection to a better or worse pick, its perfectly legal for it to put the picks in a set pattern or randomly before the player has picked.
The reason for this is that a player could use it to there advantage as well, by systematically picking the same until a good win is awarded.
On the few games we did it on it was a way of compensating a game that was primarily random.
The way some games play it wouldn’t surprise me in the least that its still going on to be honest, not mentioning any providers of course.
I have to admit on my SIM site it is one of the most asked questions “are the bonus amounts really random” and my answer for those is YES 100% on my slot/PC games.
As for your strict RTP regulation comment, that is also not what it seems, as they only have to prove it in the way of a Simulation these days rather than mathematical proof it can achieve the RTP its designed at. When your talking of billions of plays the average player is never going to play anywhere close to that so could in theory never get to the expected RTP.
If I worked for the UKGC commission there would be far more regulation that actually protects players instead of the current regulations that just give an illusion of it.
9th August 2018 at 12:07 pm #13087As an example game that I get my most complaints about and that seems something is iffy on the pick me bonus is NETENTS scruffy duck.
only 5 to pick from, and shows you the picks after so should be genuine, yet how hard is it to get the “double feature” ? I have had people say they have had in excess of 50 features without getting it which is starting to be a bit suspect mathematically.
One player also told me they had picked the same one 35 times and never was double feature so come to your own conclusions on that I guess..
9th August 2018 at 11:38 pm #13155Majority pre determined. Like danger, the rtp is better in gates, but the potential is in high voltage. All pre determined before you click.
Just like stones
10th August 2018 at 12:08 am #13160Majority pre determined. Like danger, the rtp is better in gates, but the potential is in high voltage. All pre determined before you click.
Just like stones
Sorry your wrong, BTG official has confirmed it is not pre determined at that point, so it matters what you pick, and the RTP is the same for both features it has to be, in case a play only ever picks one all the time.
As for the stones, only the provider knows for certain but the math and odds would suggest it don’t need to be pre determined and what you pick is what you get. If you log your features you can see its pretty close to the expected amount of times you get the reel 2 / reel 4 wilds etc
Show me the proof its pre determined and we can go from there….
10th August 2018 at 11:15 pm #13282Are you aware the BTG ceo on casinomeister faked screenshots of big wins and also lied about a competition?..
he was caught out.
If you don’t believe me have a look on casinomeister, it’s fact and was admitted by the ceo and BTG
still trust them do you?….
11th August 2018 at 1:39 am #13287Are you aware the BTG ceo on casinomeister faked screenshots of big wins and also lied about a competition?..
he was caught out.
If you don’t believe me have a look on casinomeister, it’s fact and was admitted by the ceo and BTG
still trust them do you?….
That was where I was quoting from with the pre determined stuff.
People fake stuff all the time and lie about competitions, they done one since that was honored.
We will never know 100% anything unless you have coded it yourself, however things like picking stones is far harder to code it cheating than to just have it genuine picks, the math would level out over many features so it dont need to be pre determined or cheat.
I expect there is a massive amount of dodgy stuff that goes on, some legal and some maybe not, its why i wont play certain providers.
I could give you loads of proof of stuff thats not right, but for obvious reasons I cant give you proof, or the providers or games, but i know 100% some slots are compensated and NOT “every spin has the exact same chance” Some hide it quite well some don’t but it gives me a laugh when i know its not right, and as for the UKGC they are not clued up enough to investigate things properly no matter what complaints they get.
I can see the industry getting a real wake up call sooner or later tho its all building up, as more people get wiser and share more and more game data.
11th August 2018 at 1:43 am #13289Oh I forgot to put, “still trust them do you?”
Knowing what I know? I don’t actually trust ANY slot provider TBH. Its still no where near regulated enough, considering the amount of money going through online casinos.
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