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[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

We are humans living in a world where Artificial Intelligence will be the very cornerstone of humanity’s decisions and existence within our lifetimes.

Do you want to be exterminated, choose to believe it’s not being used to manipulate, or do you want to join A.I? Cos that’s the choice we have right now.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Just Basics wrote:

Wow just….wow! All I wanted was a simple yes or no. But we seemed to get into long winded when I was in WW1 story’s again!

Ok forget what I said and now implement Artificial Intelligence into every casino game that ever was.

Do I have to give evidence and examples on how A.I actually works?

It is far superior in every single way to us. It is also unpredictable and adaptive. But it’s even more unpredictable and adaptive than we are. It outshines us in every department apart from our morals and humanity.

I simply can’t have this conversation with you 3, because you never acknowledge that things can be hidden beyond your beliefs.

 

You haven’t actually said anything anyone can respond to. It’s a shame; naively, I thought just once you might have some valid contribution or interesting discussion to raise.

What are you hoping for when I answer your questions and what I get back is “ere mate, what ya doin usin them fancy words an shit?”

Impossible to have an intelligible conversation with you, let alone an intelligent one.

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

Liberty wrote:

Your analogy of rock paper scissors is interesting.

1) in rock paper scissors it would give you an edge, just like knowing a poker players history gives you an edge

2)i don’t see how this converts to a casino for the following reasons

A) if they are able to control where the ball lands them they don’t need to know my history as they will know what I’ve bet on for that roll

B) if they can’t control where it lands then knowing my history doesn’t help them

I might be missing your point but I hope you understand my objections to your analogy. Please feel free to expand.

I must not understand what you mean. Please reread this and explain yourself so I can understand how it would give the casino an edge. Thanks!

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

Ok this is getting confusing. I don’t know if it’s because of my retarded inward thinking again. Or it’s because I have 3 guys trying to blag my head.

Lets start again. Brb

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

I’m really not trying to mess with your head.

Here I’ll try again to get across the point I have.

Let’s say casinos know everything you’ve ever done, where you go, when you raise your stake.

If they can control the outcome then the history is meaningless as they can just base their choice on whether I get paid or not on what I bet.

If they can’t control the outcome then the history doesn’t help them because they can’t benefit from it.

 

The only way the history helps them is if they notice what tilts you and empties your bank account and they can control the outcome of all their games to create this situation time and time again and I simply don’t think that is remotely likely.

 

Slots are built to tilt with scatters missing by 1 routinely and the new age of high variance slots giving you less than 10x on a bonus far too regularly but that’s a completely different argument.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Just Basics wrote:

Ok this is getting confusing. I don’t know if it’s because of my retarded inward thinking again. Or it’s because I have 3 guys trying to blag my head.

Lets start again. Brb

Let’s not. There’s no point to any of it if you ask a question, I answer it in good faith and all you post back is haha lol old man ww1 stories. Surely, you’re either a troll who gets a kick out of being controversial to get a reaction, or you genuinely struggle with English comprehension. I suspect it might be a bit of both. Either way, no point me trying to talk to you about anything.

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

argyl53 wrote:

Just Basics wrote:

Ok this is getting confusing. I don’t know if it’s because of my retarded inward thinking again. Or it’s because I have 3 guys trying to blag my head.

Lets start again. Brb

Let’s not. There’s no point to any of it if you ask a question, I answer it in good faith and all you post back is haha lol old man ww1 stories. Surely, you’re either a troll who gets a kick out of being controversial to get a reaction, or you genuinely struggle with English comprehension. I suspect it might be a bit of both. Either way, no point me trying to talk to you about anything.

Please leave then. Thx

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

Could AI robots learn to understand casino algorithms?

The crux of online casinos lies in the Random Number Generators, which enable a game to be played fairly. Most of the online casinos today undergo audits that check that they are offering their visitors fair play.

But, a generator is still a program. An AI robot with advanced machine learning capabilities will be able to figure out the pattern in the algorithm. Let’s take a look at a fictitious example:

An AI is being taught to play the slots. The sole nature of the slots with its many winning combinations, depending on the number of lines and symbols in the game. Leave the AI playing the slots for some time, and it will be able to figure out when the winning combination will occur – at the first, fourth, or twelfth spin. Or, it will know how many spins will be needed to win a jackpot – just by taking in the winning combinations as input and hours of experience in playing the slot.

Yes, the random number generators are made to have unpredictable patterns – but for the human brain. The human brain just cannot take that much input of seemingly random data to construct a pattern, which is why the random number generators are so useful in online casinos because they prevent players from figuring out the pattern and cheating. On the other hand, online casinos keep their credibility for fair play because they cannot be rigged with the random number generator. On the contrary, AIs have a much greater capability for gathering and mining data. In fact, machine learning is already being used to find patterns in an immense amount of data that would take the human brain too much time to do. An AI could do that within a few days, or hours, or weeks, but it will still be faster than the human brain.

 

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

How AI can Calculate the expected value to master poker, roulette, and other pre-calculated games

Similarly to the example above with the slots, an AI can use the same technique to guess the outcome of poker, roulette, and even blackjack. Think about it. In table games, such as poker and blackjack, the dealer uses a single deck of cards. There are 52 cards in a deck. By teaching the AI the rules of the game and the winning combinations, and by teaching the AI all the possible combinations that a deck of cards can produce in poker or blackjack games, within a certain period, the AI will be able to guess each outcome of the game correctly.

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

Is your argument now that casinos are not using ai to cheat players in games but that ai is cheating casinos in games?

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

I’m surprised nobody compared the rock paper scissors history to penalty takers and goalkeepers. Who has the edge there then ? ?

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

Liberty wrote:

Is your argument now that casinos are not using ai to cheat players in games but that ai is cheating casinos in games?

I’m saying it can be used either way mate. To cheat or to manipulate outcomes in the casinos favour.

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

There is a perfect way to play blackjack, where you gain the best possible return. The edge is still in the casinos favour but it’s far more marginal.

You can teach an ai to play like this but it won’t be any better at blackjack than a human using the same strategy.

You can count cards which increases your edge, you can teach ai to do that but they don’t be any better than a human doing the same.

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

Ai can guess as much as you or I about what the next spin on a slot will bring but it can’t know because of the way slots work. Your result is to do with when you press the spin button, it has <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>nothing</span> to do with what comes before or after.

You press spin and the server decides what happens at that moment. I’m sure you’ve played roulette in a bookies back in the day, if you pressed at the same moment as someone else you got the same number as them. That’s a simplified way of hours online slots work. Note its simplified as there are more variables.

It’s more like they spin a roulette wheel with a billion numbers on it when you hit spin and then send back the result dressed up in the slot spin.

Ai can’t play a slot and know what will happen next as not even the server knows what is coming next until it is asked.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

But, a generator is still a program. An AI robot with advanced machine learning capabilities will be able to figure out the pattern in the algorithm. Let’s take a look at a fictitious example:

An AI is being taught to play the slots. The sole nature of the slots with its many winning combinations, depending on the number of lines and symbols in the game. Leave the AI playing the slots for some time, and it will be able to figure out when the winning combination will occur – at the first, fourth, or twelfth spin.

This entire post is complete nonsense and incorrect in every way. Please refer to my dozens of other posts and threads on how slots and RNGs actually work.

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