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[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

So hopefully we can have this debate without people trying to ruin it. @Seedy has clearly stated the rules.

So I just found this

Again : Firstly, if like some of these people, you think this is funny or want to troll, insult or ruin this debate, given the true darkside that we know of, then I politely ask you to stay out of this.

So from this I garner some points :

1. Is gambling addiction comparable to class A drug addiction ? worse ?
2. This casino clearly states they care, but do they really care or just wish to look like they do ? It doesn’t matter which casino this is, many of them claim to care.
3. If they don’t care enough in your opinion, what more should they do ?
4. Should the government / commission do more ?
5. If a problem gambler slips through whatever safety nets apparently exist to try and help protect them, what then ?

Finally, if you are tired of seeing this debate, you don’t need to tell us, just jog on. Constructive input please.

Trying to advocate better solutions.

[Du Dune2000 WANTED $205 Blocked]

Of course they don’t care, any more than tobacco companies care, they are in it to make money.   The we care line is for public consumption

Not sure they should do any more than they are at the moment.  They have verification checks, source of wealth checks, age checks.  Somewhere along the line personal responsibility comes in

Should the gambling commission do more.  Well there is more they could do, they are starting by looking into stopping credit card deposits.  An unpopular view I know but if they were serious they would ensure that gambling videos offering financial incentives to sign up to casino’s were banned from social media.   Lets be honest, they ban gambling videos from TV before the watershed for fear of influencing individuals, and then allow gambling videos from affiliates to be broadcast 24 hours a day without any age checks.

There will always be those who slip through the safety net, this is endemic in any business.   There needs to be a balance between those who are actually in trouble and those who claim hardship in the interests of getting their deposits back after they have lost.  It’s a difficult balance.

Finally, if someone thinks the business is corrupt, uncaring and immoral, then don’t gamble or you are part of the problem.

[Ol Oldmoon WANTED $27 Outlaw]

90% of all crime committed is drug related so no gambling is not as bad as a class a addict.

do casinos care? They care about the obvious which is bottom line profit and not getting big fines when they get caught doing something unsavoury.

the commission should make them truly regulated ( such a grey area this one)

There is no safety net a gamblers gonna gamble be it online down the bookies or in desperation betting on what alka seltzer dissolves first in a glass of water( seen this with my own two eyes)

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

90% of all crime committed is drug related so no gambling is not as bad as a class a addict.

 

Go on then, give us a link to wherever you got This information.

[Ol Oldmoon WANTED $27 Outlaw]

Hi rbreen91 before I explain where I got this information from my own personal opinion is that drugs should be legalised.a good friend of mine Phil skilled was the co founder of a charity that is still going strong their name is smart and they are based around the Oxford region.they do a fantastic job helping people with substance abuse problems domestic violence homelessness etc.take a look on their website.when Phil was the CEOs he was often asked by the labour government it was in the  Blair era to commission reports on how to reduce drug related crime in areas around the country,he was a strong advocate of legalising class a drugs(Phil was a heroin addict for forty years)and this was one of the statistics he often used in his reports.

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

He’s a liar then?

90%? The correct figure is not even close to that.

[Ol Oldmoon WANTED $27 Outlaw]

Hi rbreen the official figure is lower because statistics are only based on actual convictions rather than on the crimes that are actually committed.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

It’s a misnomer anyway. A lot of crime doesn’t get reported. Please don’t ask for the proof of this because it comes in the form of public opinion…. tonnes of it and a lot based on self experience or relative experience, friends/family.

I agree that a lot of gambling is funded by crime. I consider I come from an average background and if that’s the case then there is a hell of a lot of crime funded gambling.

Of course, the industry will deny everything. Others might not believe it either. I know different. But it isn’t the main point here.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

What more can the UKGC/MGA/SS Do?

You put layers in for deposits for credit checks, AML for withdrawals, KYC for both after certain amounts, RG teams who call you if your level increased by 40%, Source of wealth for over 5k, Payment teams who watch for fraud, DPA and GDPR for protection of data, Self exlcusion, limits for dpeosits, bets, loss, wins and time, and now restrictions on game speeds and bet sizing.

Give me a good idea and ill back it. But I cant think of much else thats needed. The MGA audit we had cost us a large sum as our loyalty checks didnt include total loss for the day. We implemented that pretty damn fast.

Ive been trying to think for ages, and aside from literally asking for bank statements for a year and allowing only that method for depositing…. what else is there? Interview? Affadavit?

[Mickeyvondickey WANTED $181 Outlaw]

Just putting forward a stat from the ONS on drug offences from year ending March 2017. This does NOT include offences to fund the addiction of which I am sure, there are many.

Drug offences – 136K

Total offences – 4.965M

Percentage of drug offences in relation to total offences – 2.7%

As Mr B mentioned, it’s whether the source is trustworthy, how many offences have gone unreported and how broad a scope this covers.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

eejit101 wrote:

What more can the UKGC/MGA/SS Do?

You put layers in for deposits for credit checks, AML for withdrawals, KYC for both after certain amounts, RG teams who call you if your level increased by 40%, Source of wealth for over 5k, Payment teams who watch for fraud, DPA and GDPR for protection of data, Self exlcusion, limits for dpeosits, bets, loss, wins and time, and now restrictions on game speeds and bet sizing.

Give me a good idea and ill back it. But I cant think of much else thats needed. The MGA audit we had cost us a large sum as our loyalty checks didnt include total loss for the day. We implemented that pretty damn fast.

Ive been trying to think for ages, and aside from literally asking for bank statements for a year and allowing only that method for depositing…. what else is there? Interview? Affadavit?

Recently I proposed an idea where if someone gambles themselves into poverty/distress they should be helped AND completely banned from gambling either for life OR until they can prove they have both the ability and control of that ability. I’m not saying as that, it would work but at least it’s an idea to start.

I posted a portion of my private life recently which basically showed that if I were to ask you to borrow me £5 and you said yea, then I have a condition, that you don’t suffer from doing so. That’s because I care. It highlighted the real side of what caring is.

As opposed to the nothing that is provided when someone makes the mistake of ruining their life, destroying their family, losing their life to suicide or the risk there of.

I find the whole industry has this “we care” sign but see zero evidence of aftercare for the true reality.

Again, I’m not saying exactly what would work but at lease we can have this debate and look at the darker realer issues and what could be possible to change it. However, the idea I suggest above is two part and one should never happen without the other. If it’s a viable idea, then cool, if not, let’s debate further, let’s carry on advocating.

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

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Drug offences – 136K

Total offences – 4.965M

Percentage of drug offences in relation to total offences – 2.7%

 

This is is what I got from the ONS.

 

absolutely *edited Seedy Don’t name call* to claim its 90%.

[Eightblack WANTED $446 Outlaw]

From experience as a former drug addict and current gambling addict I can tell you that without question class A drugs are worse to be hooked on.

 

I had a problem with oxycontin, cocaine and valium.. The withdrawal is enough to make a straight man suck cock (I’ve not gone so low but I know men who have) . You feel like your dying and your body is crying out for the substance it needs, lying in a deep sweat crying and shaking.. I’ve never known a man to go through that because he can’t put a tenner on the slots.

Gambling is a psychological addiction. Class As are physical, its not a competition as both are detrimental to the addict but they are not comparible

[Du Dune2000 WANTED $205 Blocked]

Mr B wrote:

Recently I proposed an idea where if someone gambles themselves into poverty/distress they should be helped AND completely banned from gambling either for life OR until they can prove they have both the ability and control of that ability. I’m not saying as that, it would work but at least it’s an idea to start.

If someone gambles themselves into poverty then they need to deal with that shit themselves.  Who is supposed to help them?

The casino’s?  Not their problems, they are already carrying out wealth checks, and other such stuff

The Government – why should my taxes fund gamblers who can’t control their urges.   If they had won big would they have contributed a large donation to the underprivileged – of course not.

The issue is that some gamblers want it all ways.  They want to keep their winnings, but want refunds or help when  they lose big.  You can win or lose that’s why its called gambling.

If they can’t handle their losses they need to pull up their big girl panties and deal with it, they got themselves into this mess, its their responsibility to get themselves out of it.

I can think of far more worthy individuals on this earth to assist with hardship than degenerate gamblers.

[Du Dune2000 WANTED $205 Blocked]

Eightblack wrote:

From experience as a former drug addict and current gambling addict I can tell you that without question class A drugs are worse to be hooked on.

 

I had a problem with oxycontin, cocaine and valium.. The withdrawal is enough to make a straight man suck cock (I’ve not gone so low but I know men who have) . You feel like your dying and your body is crying out for the substance it needs, lying in a deep sweat crying and shaking.. I’ve never known a man to go through that because he can’t put a tenner on the slots.

Gambling is a psychological addiction. Class As are physical, its not a competition as both are detrimental to the addict but they are not comparible

Jeez man, you have had a shit life !!!!

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