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28th April 2019 at 8:10 pm #63152
From experience as a former drug addict and current gambling addict I can tell you that without question class A drugs are worse to be hooked on.
I had a problem with oxycontin, cocaine and valium.. The withdrawal is enough to make a straight man suck cock (I’ve not gone so low but I know men who have) . You feel like your dying and your body is crying out for the substance it needs, lying in a deep sweat crying and shaking.. I’ve never known a man to go through that because he can’t put a tenner on the slots.
Gambling is a psychological addiction. Class As are physical, its not a competition as both are detrimental to the addict but they are not comparible
Jeez man, you have had a shit life !!!!
Haha I wouldn’t call it shit by any stretch but I have a colourful past. its only the last 12 months I’ve stopped behaving like a degenerate criminal.. Its all experience though and I’ve learned a lot, have a look at my old threads I made one once about it when I was feeling pretty low
28th April 2019 at 8:21 pm #63153From experience as a former drug addict and current gambling addict I can tell you that without question class A drugs are worse to be hooked on.
I had a problem with oxycontin, cocaine and valium.. The withdrawal is enough to make a straight man suck cock (I’ve not gone so low but I know men who have) . You feel like your dying and your body is crying out for the substance it needs, lying in a deep sweat crying and shaking.. I’ve never known a man to go through that because he can’t put a tenner on the slots.
Gambling is a psychological addiction. Class As are physical, its not a competition as both are detrimental to the addict but they are not comparible
Jeez man, you have had a shit life !!!!
Haha I wouldn’t call it shit by any stretch but I have a colourful past. its only the last 12 months I’ve stopped behaving like a degenerate criminal.. Its all experience though and I’ve learned a lot, have a look at my old threads I made one once about it when I was feeling pretty low
Kudos to you in that case – some people never learn. The true definition of stupidity is making the same mistakes over and over again, knowing that they are wrong, but continuing in the same vein
28th April 2019 at 9:18 pm #63159Dune, what would help this debate is if you put the rope down, you paid for so that someone could commit suicide and go back and read this debate with an open mind, and not miss certain parts out. For example, at no point did I mention that cliche in regards to your taxes. That in itself is a real can of worms that seldom bodes well for the person saying “not with my taxes”. This whole issue is a humane one but while you are happy to help someone commit suicide, you are devoid of humane feeling.
The true definition of stupidity is making the same mistakes over and over again, knowing that they are wrong, but continuing in the same vein
The argument of “stupidity” is callous when it comes to addiction. By that I mean it just makes for toxic side lining and is also fully irrelevant.
No addiction support team has “berate” as a tool. Kicking an addiction takes serious inner strength and many times, infallible guidance.
Honestly, what use are you to a problem gambler if you don’t give a shit about them ? No point you being in the debate.
Dune2000 wrote:
Oh now you have the job, you have to do some morally reprehensible things otherwise you lose said job and you and your family starve.
Personally if it was a choice between my family starving and some degenerate gambler hanging himself from a lamp post I would go with my family every time. If it was actually the difference between my family eating and not eating I would even sell him the rope28th April 2019 at 9:22 pm #63160I think Mr B’s suggestion of “ban and fully refund” is both unworkable and ethically wrong.
I would say far from helping gambling addiction, it will encourage it and fraud. Addresses, names, internet connections, banks…all these things can be legitimately changed and there is so simply no foolproof way to ban someone from gambling in any form.
How does it help the addict if you give them a safety net of knowing if they go overboard by way more than they can afford, they can simply claim a full refund from the casino? Ethically, why should the casinos and game providers lose out on revenue because of a player’s conscious choice to gamble? Ethically, how is it fair on the other responsible gamblers who would pay for those refunds through reduced RTP on the games? And how many people who have no habitual interest in gambling would cheerfully take a huge punt knowing they will either win big, or be able to put their hands up and go “not my fault, guv, can’t control myself” and get their money back?
Gambling is by definition a risk based activity. All you can do is make that point clear to people before they play.
I’ve struggled with compulsive gambling, among other problems. Difference is I actually take personal responsibility for my own actions because I fundamentally on a moral level believe rights come with responsibilities. I detest the way we’re fostering a culture in this part of the world in which everyone expects every right and yet whenever someone doesn’t get what they want, everyone’s to blame except themselves. It’s a pathetic, morally weak, whiny culture of perpetual adolescence.
The help for problem gamblers is out there, but you cannot help anyone who willfully refuses to help themselves.
228th April 2019 at 9:27 pm #63161The point is why should there be a debate?
Most people here gamble. True. Most people here gamble alot and are interested in it. Quite a few are problem gamblers. Casinos cant prove you are a problem gambler. There isnt a fucking sign that flashes when someone signs up. And if you gamble, you can always find somewhere even with gamban, gamcare, gamstop, mygrangivesafuck or whatever the others are called.
The overarching truth of this is, you think casinos should care as they are facilitating gambling. You also think society should care as its ruining a very small % of human lives.
The counter arguament is casinos exist for entertainment. And profit. You can bankrupt yourself watching every movie int he cinema in 3D glory over and over, there is no Cinecare for that. Gambling has a bad rep as it involves risk. All things with risk (Smoking, drinking, gambling, prostitutes) are frowned upon by people who disavow risk.
Where i land on this is that problem gamblers have themselves to blame. Noone else. They will bet in bookies, bingo, casinos, poker, friends houses, whatever. In the end the degen always finds a way.
Should we help them as a human race? Sorry but no. Thats my opinion. Not my gaming opinion. I have had issues with gambling too much before and they are solely on me. I dont want humanity to care. I want myself to care enough to change.
The world is too full of people helping out each other, caring about the tiny things. Dont smack kids, let both teams win, politically correct speech, cant say or do this. All thats doing is providing a “Mummy will help” attitude if we as humans fuck anything up.
They had it right in the 1700s. If you stole for gambling your hand got cut off. If you has issues then Cholera was a bit more important. Nowadays its all too clean, cuddly, bullshit of a society that demands help for everything. Fuck that. If you want to fix it then fix it. If you want someone to help then stop demanding others should care.
(This was my issue with Kris jenner/whatever he/she is called now, she said you HAVE to respect my right to be a woman. NO. I dont. I will.. but i dont have to. Stop forcing ways of life upon us that are called “equality” now. There are 2 genders but if you wanna swap then fine. Just dont force me to congratulate you. Ill do it if i want to)
128th April 2019 at 9:29 pm #63162lol Argyl we both kind of wrote the same thing in a different way at the same time.
28th April 2019 at 9:39 pm #63164Argyl, I’m talking about an industry wide ban with HELP that is only available once.
Eejit, I have only read the first thing you wrote and gave up reading the rest. Feel free to email bandit to have the debate removed and banned. Pretty sure I covered ‘trying to ruin a debate’ in my opening post.
but again I will note that you claim you work for the gambling industry, so it comes as no surprise that you don’t want this debate to exist. Thus a tiny little bit of proof that the industry DOES NOT care.
****** you didnt read his post but you tried to claim he is out to ruin a debate it was his opinion sort your head out *****
28th April 2019 at 9:42 pm #63165Argyl, I’m talking about an industry wide ban with HELP that is only available once.
Eejit, I have only read the first thing you wrote and gave up reading the rest. Feel free to email bandit to have the debate removed and banned. Pretty sure I covered ‘trying to ruin a debate’ in my opening post.
but again I will note that you claim you work for the gambling industry, so it comes as no surprise that you don’t want this debate to exist. Thus a tiny little bit of proof that the industry DOES NOT care.
Kindly get off your high horse, or attitude, or whatever you believe you have. I stated i believe this personally, not from my job side. I gamble as well you muppet. Im part of this debate as some of the underlying points you made include my current state of mind.
I made about 8 valid points and was debating the aspects of it. If you want to have a DEBATE, then you get both sides. Not just your opinion confirmed by people who see things your way.
Also – you reply to Argyl with saying help once. You realise how scammed that will be. How much money people will lose, taxes, companies, auditings, people having a free shot at 1mil quid betting their life on roulette with a get out of jail card at the end? Thats insane.
You make your bed you lie in it. You dont get married and fuck your neighbour and blame society. You blame your dick.
128th April 2019 at 10:03 pm #63167Feel free to break the rules and derail this debate Eejit.
Your opening words of your previous post said “The point is why should there be a debate?”.
Insulting me is crossing the line. I have no interest in anything you have to say now.
And look, I managed to say that without personally insulting you.
28th April 2019 at 10:05 pm #63168You’ll find corruption and evil in anything that involves money particularly a lot of money and particularly something that has an addictive element
As far as ive gathered Mr B your an anti capitalist so therefore you don’t see profits at the hight of importance, but big businesses do and provided they’re acting within the law of the land they don’t really care if some people take their product too far be it beer, cigarettes, porn or gambling they care about the money
It’s an inconvenient truth but it’s the world we live in I’m afraid
28th April 2019 at 10:09 pm #63171You’ll find corruption and evil in anything that involves money particularly a lot of money and particularly something that has an addictive element
As far as ive gathered Mr B your an anti capitalist so therefore you don’t see profits at the hight of importance, but big businesses do and provided they’re acting within the law of the land they don’t really care if some people take their product too far be it beer, cigarettes, porn or gambling they care about the money
It’s an inconvenient truth but it’s the world we live in I’m afraid
It’s not that I don’t see profits at the height of importance, it’s that I see a hell of a lot of collateral damage with convenient blind eyes turned to it. I have a huge problem with people holding up a “we care” sign and stabbing humanity in the back. Alas eejit has successfully and single handedly ruined this debate.
I won’t be posting anything else until he or she is educated by the rules.
28th April 2019 at 10:14 pm #63172Yup, all me.
You didnt at all start a debate, then callously claim my input isnt valid by claiming im trying to ruin a debate, when someone has an opinion that differs from yours.
You want sympathy, then animosity, then anonymity, then disruption, then vengeance, then understanding. You confuse the shit out of me daily.
As for quitting, enjoy. I am educated thanks. I read the rules and abided by them. I added to a debate with personal and logical information. If that doesnt suit you then ok. Ill just be here, laughing internally at how people defend their views so wildly without acceptance of others. Shit i agreed with JB the other day. If i can, you can.
28th April 2019 at 10:14 pm #63173Argyl, I’m talking about an industry wide ban with HELP that is only available once.
Yes and by “help” you mean giving them their money back. I’ve laid out just some of the problems with such a system in my previous post, none of which you’ve addressed. There’s already a comprehensive range of meaningful help for gambling addicts available, just none of them involve someone else picking up their bill. Just like how no support systems for heroin addicts involve giving them back the money they spent on heroin and telling them “try to spend it on something else this time”. They don’t do that because it wouldn’t help those people or solve their problems.
28th April 2019 at 10:17 pm #63175I made about 8 valid points and was debating the aspects of it. If you want to have a DEBATE, then you get both sides. Not just your opinion confirmed by people who see things your way.
Be easier to have a debate with a brick wall. This guy only wants to “debate” in a fucking echo chamber.
28th April 2019 at 10:18 pm #63177society will naturally evolve as we slowly but surely edge into the age of Aquarius where a global consciousness awaits.in the years to come we will look back in amusement at are constant futile arguments debates insignificant wars and conflicts and peace will be rightfully restored.god bless.
p.s rbreen if you call me a retard again I’ll come and find you and beat the living shit out of you.only joking I don’t discriminate I hate everyone equally.
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