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7th October 2018 at 8:29 pm #206467th October 2018 at 8:30 pm #20635
11 bonus – games pay out lower at higher stakes. UNTRUE. And hugely untrue. RNG isn’t allowed to see bet size. Take the hat off on this one
How does this reconcile with long term RTP though? The vast majority of players are low rollers who stake an average of about 60p per spin so if games play to the same odds regardless of stake, it could only take one hi rolling player to make a 96% RTP game run at a net loss to the provider.
For example, I’m a provider and I create a game designed with a 96% RTP. A typical bonus round pays out in the region of 30-100x, a very good bonus will hit 500x, perhaps a truly exceptional bonus will hit 5000x. There may be the odd very poor bonus which pays out 10x or less. On average you would expect to see at least one bonus in a run of 100 spins. Vast majority of my players are on stakes of 20p-£1.
So perhaps over 1000 players each having an average 200 spin session on the game, total revenue taken by the game is £120k, total paid out is £116k. So far as a provider, I’ve made £4k. Now one hi-roller comes in with a few grand and starts bashing it on £20 per spin. 50 spins in, which due to base wins has only cost them a net loss thus far of £200, they hit a bonus for 500x (good, but not spectacular). That’s £10k. The game took in additional £1k from their spins, but over that excluding the bonus paid out £800. So now as the provider my game has incurred me a net loss of £5800, simply because it plays exactly the same regardless of stake.
27th October 2018 at 8:55 pm #20652Interesting to read that finally someone isn’t a casino conspiracist! Slots are licenced to casinos on a licence….. the licence costs money. The % RTP controls payout based on research of real money players playing habits over a vast amount of time and literally 100,000,000s of bets placed. All be it this does mean that sometimes the ‘Actual’ RTP is less than the Theoretical RTP, it also mean that occasionally, providers fail to assume player habits on certain slots. Actually, believe it or not, some slot based on player staking and strategy habits have paid OVER 100% RTP for years and years!
In short, general rule is that algorithms more complex then the normal player would ever understand attempt to ensure a game pays the TRTP. Some, as mentioned before, based on player habits have been known to pay FAR LESS than stated RTP and others have been know to pay far more than the stated RTP……..
bonuses, as mentioned in this post are generally counter productive for casinos, hence being attatched to some crazy wagering! This wagering ,again is usually dictated by super complex algorithms in order to safe guard a “Deposit/cashout ratio of less than 1/1.
7th October 2018 at 9:05 pm #20653I didn’t mention in the above post, but in addition to data of the playing habits of players of similar games over time being used…. obviously super complex simulations of billions of spins is carried out before a game is released.
8th October 2018 at 10:20 am #20677Excellent post Eejit very informative, the fine’s handed out to dodgy casinos are astronomical so it’s hardly worth rigging games to entice a few more punters. I’ve always held the opinion that Steve and Paul aren’t short of a few quid, they win big but also lose big. Easy as that.
8th October 2018 at 12:51 pm #20686Is this guy “eejit101” for real? or just trying to be the best at Trolling lol!
Your gonna get yourself into trouble spouting shit like this mate. How have you proved any of your theories in your post? you’ve just listed utter BS
Lets take 1 example of the RNG shall we.
Any system or programme software that has been created like RNG, can be manipulated like fuck! Its hard to do….but it can be, and has been done.
simply put they can rig it!……and they do rig it!
fkin arghhh, you sheep make me so mad sometimes.
18th October 2018 at 1:01 pm #206898th October 2018 at 5:14 pm #20696Errmmm I’ll let @eejit101 explain but he knows more about the whole casino thing then you guys appreciate at the moment ? but please remember to play nice folks.
8th October 2018 at 5:28 pm #20697Errmmm I’ll let @eejit101 explain but he knows more about the whole casino thing then you guys appreciate at the moment
but please remember to play nice folks.
You know as well as I do that some people are unwilling to listen to anything other then what they have decided is correct ?
8th October 2018 at 11:20 pm #20710Is this guy “eejit101” for real? or just trying to be the best at Trolling lol!
Your gonna get yourself into trouble spouting shit like this mate. How have you proved any of your theories in your post? you’ve just listed utter BS
Lets take 1 example of the RNG shall we.
Any system or programme software that has been created like RNG, can be manipulated like fuck! Its hard to do….but it can be, and has been done.
simply put they can rig it!……and they do rig it!
fkin arghhh, you sheep make me so mad sometimes.
I work for a company that sees it. We literally see the results. And if it’s rigged it’s BAD for us… so of course we check.
As for I’m a moron/troll, sure if you want.
OR….
I’m the only person on here who plays and works inside the industry you claim is rigged but still gamble on.
Plus I can type coherently. Maybe that why.
9th October 2018 at 1:49 am #207119th October 2018 at 11:33 am #20716Ok then mate, apologies if my grammar was a bit off 😉 (btw that’s what most trolls who want an argument say)
I’l try to type more impressively like yourself this time.
All i said is you have proven nothing. You just listed Bull shit reasons why they don’t rig it.
Ok here i go….Do the “air quotes” company you work for spend every single day at the casino site offices to check and audit them?
Have you ever seen a million/billion dollar company that aren’t corrupt or fraudulent? because i haven’t!
You didn’t give a come back for my RNG Statement………why is that?
Your a person hiding behind secrecy and riddles mate. Tell us the company you work for, tell us exactly how u know why the casino’s aren’t rigged, tell us your employed by auditors that don’t have a vested interest in keeping hush.
Tell u how you can say all this and still keep a straight face lol.
I stand by my statement…….It is rigged for some people to win, and rigged for most people who don’t. Yes it would be hard to do this software wise, but all each company has to do, is employ Secret Tech Wizards around the clock to keep it rigged and make it majorly profitable for the owners.
I’m allowed my own opinion aren’t i?
I will give you one example of why i think all Online Casino’s are Fraudulent Cancerous Corrupt Machines, and then i will keep quiet.
Its a long one but here i go……..
POKERSTARS……the largest online gambling company in the world established Sep 11 2001 (strange date to get started but hey ho)
They are worth Over 1.8 billion (2017)
Let me firstly say, to begin with they were a completely legitimate company.
This Company has NEVER EVER been audited or investigated by any outside company. They have only been audited by company’s that the Stars Group actually own themselves. IKR this is hard to believe but ACTUALLY 100% A FACT
Literally Type “Pokerstars is” into any search engine on the web and it will say…rigged, scum. fraudulent, corrupt etc etc all top results.
100% FACT
Look on Youtube and type “Pokerstars rigged” and you will literally get over 500 thousand results. 100% FACT
All pokerstars reviews online……Almost everybody hates them. yet they have over 250 thousand players online each day. 100% FACT
3 Other major poker sites have been shut down in the past by the FBI because of fraudulent money problems and cheating players who can see their opponents cards, action cards and bots who win everything. 100% FACT
Not a few hundred but literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of people saying Pokerstars is a fraudulent rigged site. why would they say this?
here is a video that i would like you to watch and then give your opinion if its not too much trouble. Its only 9 minutes long. And it goes into more depth on why they can rig and they do rig.
9th October 2018 at 1:57 pm #20719Getting heated in here ? opinions are all well and good folks but please play nice I don’t wanna have to go Thor on anyone’s ass with my ban hammer as we all just wanna talk gambling ?
9th October 2018 at 5:28 pm #20722Getting heated in here
opinions are all well and good folks but please play nice I don’t wanna have to go Thor on anyone’s ass with my ban hammer as we all just wanna talk gambling
Seedy let the kids play and have their fun, more importantly have you triggers the swarm yet ?
9th October 2018 at 5:39 pm #20723The reason why so many people kick off around online casinos being a scam, is that people can’t handle losing. They just can’t accept that they lost and the only reasonable justification for this is that the casino is corrupt and they have been scammed. In 99% of cases this just simply isn’t true.
If you use any of the major casino sites, that use any of the major providers (e.g. Blueprint, Netent, Microgaming etc.) then chances are you have nothing to worry about at all. Getting a bit tired of all of these conspiracy theorists.
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