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[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

Liberty wrote:

I might have to rescind that Good on you for being able to read comment. I had already answered you regarding their rng software in the previous comment where I took the time to go through each of your 7 questions and answer them. I also clearly stated that 70% of online poker players are losers. You say you aren’t in that group then say you’ve lost 100k online haha . (hint – you are in that group) you’re also in the complete losing group as you’ve not won more than 100k live you are just a loser at poker period. Perhaps you just got lucky live? Who knows, I wasn’t there.

Whatever I’m done for today. Yeah i’m an overall loser i agree but only online.

Why on earth are you going out of your way to protect Poker stars and their wholesome/fully transparent name?

(are you bumming the CEO or something?) bit too far there but i just don’t understand why you’re here spouting jiberish.

Its just weird that you’re here doing this lol

 

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

Lol… You actually can’t read

This is an excerpt from the link I posted.

Try again –

Rational Services Ltd’s Random Number Generator (RNG) has successfully been tested to generally-accepted industry standards for highly-regulated jurisdictions by Gaming Laboratories International (GLI)

 

By gli…. Its been, for the 4th time, certified by gli. Not by rational services… You silly silly man. Feel free to apologise at any point as this is the final one of your points that you just can’t seem to read coherently. After that kid, you’ve got nothing other than wah I lost when I shouldn’t and it makes me sad but you keep up the good fight haha. Its making my day but please please please, actually read the coherent, fact based replies I make instead of just keyboard warrior replies. Tah.

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

Liberty wrote:

Lol… You actually can’t read

This is an excerpt from the link I posted.

Try again –

Rational Services Ltd’s Random Number Generator (RNG) has successfully been tested to generally-accepted industry standards for highly-regulated jurisdictions by Gaming Laboratories International (GLI)

 

By gli…. Its been, for the 4th time, certified by gli. Not by rational services… You silly silly man. Feel free to apologise at any point as this is the final one of your points that you just can’t seem to read coherently. After that kid, you’ve got nothing other than wah I lost when I shouldn’t and it makes me sad but you keep up the good fight haha. Its making my day but please please please, actually read the coherent, fact based replies I make instead of just keyboard warrior replies. Tah.

Yup soon as i posted that reply i thought ” FUCK I’M A RETARD, WHAT HAVE I DONE ”

You’re right. I was wrong about that, I apologise, I’m a silly silly man like you say. I rushed into my reply without doing enough research “My Bad”

But please don’t bow out of this yet. I’m sure i can make a comeback. 😉

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

On July 31, 2012, The US government dismissed “WITH PREJUDICE” all civil complaints against all PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker companies after coming to a “UNKNOWN SETTLEMENT” with PokerStars which includes PokerStars purchasing Full Tilt.

PokerStars and Full Tilt admitted no wrongdoing as part of the “SETTLEMENT,” which ends all litigation between the government and the poker companies.The criminal indictments remain in place for the named individuals

I will say those words again – CASE DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE. UNKNOWN SETTLEMENT. POKERSTARS.

Hmmmmmm

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

Why was Scheinberg the owner of Pokerstars and other major online casinos in High Court in the first place? Bit weird that innit 😉

I will use ” WITH PREJUDICE” IN A SENTENCE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND

Since he was truly guilty of the crime, and the courts ruled “with prejudice” that he was innocent, Scheinberg and all the other corrupt fraudulent liars completely got away with it!

Gimme a break. Yeah i can’t read well sometimes, But surely you can read this!

Peace Ou

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

Yeah there certainly might have been some dodgy dealings done by their original owners (the Scheinberg family) the early days of online poker were a bit wild but I have no evidence that they were. I haven’t read the court documents or the findings or indeed anything except for the headline you have just posted, I’ll look it up and get back to you with some context regarding what it actually involved ..Amaya bought them back in 2014, a Canadian company who have since changed their name to the Stars Group.

As far as I’m concerned the rng as of today is clean. I think that people feel its not because of 3 reasons.

1) they overvalue their hands and don’t understand variance..its entirely possible to lose with Aces vs deuces every time  just highly unlikely.

2)people remember the bad beats more than the obvious wins, as a result of this they won’t see a fair number of the deuces they beat as people who do fold them and they won’t remember the all ins they win because its expected  All that remains are the losses which will happen 1 in every 5 times they face up against an under pair and when you take into account that there are 12 under pairs to aces you’ll be up against them quite frequently.

3) online in an hr playing a cash game and a multi tournament at the same time you see more hands than you would in a casino in a day. As a result of that you see more bad beats every day that you remember (see point 2) and start to think it’s unstable.

 

 

Finally there is certainly an argument to be made that the rng might be more action based than you would encounter with a dealer shuffling and its impossible to accurately recreated a shuffle and deal  HOWEVER its the same for all players and that’s effectively what matters. I’ve certainly seen hotseats when playing live and online.

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

This link provides more information about the case you are hyping up .

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2012/07/31/pokerstars-will-pay-547-million-to-settle-u-s-government-charges-and-buy-full-tilt-poker/

<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”> I’ll let you read it and have your say on it and then either agree or disagree with what you have to say as you’ve stated this by claiming its all rather secret hush hush but the information is actually there to read.</span>

I think the issue is how you go about using Google. If you are trying to prove something sinister is happening Google will provide you with sinister hyped up links as it’s basically an echo chamber. If you want to use it correctly try to prove to yourself that pokerstars is legit and then using logic and critical thinking evaluate that information against what you currently know. That way you’ll have a far better understanding of what you are talking about… Just a suggestion.

Peace.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

I forgot to check the forum for a week. I started a riot.

 

In the act of fairness I’ll ignore any stupid comments or conspiracy so far and try and help. Please respond to this and tag me so I’ll answer questions.

 

1 – my name is Phil. I work for a casino company. We build casinos using our back office platform, and provide them with games payments and services. We have no say in the marketing bonuses or operation of the casinos. We currently have over 35 casinos live for over 22 different companies.

To answer how I see my “proof”, I look. I see the RTP of every game. I can review individual game rounds. I can do this as I have accesses to all back offices on our network. I had to confirm to MGA and UKGC etc with a data protection agreement and pass a test!

 

2 – the reason I do this is for Years I thought it must be rigged. I have only worked in igaming for 13 months… however I’ve gambled since I was about 14. I sell the casinos, I do demos, i handle complaints from owners, and most Importantly, I see profit and loss each month for all casinos. Every single one of them has had losing months, and the average withdrawals and RTP balances out at around 96%.

 

Pokerstars- I know a bit about this. I used to play professionally from 2008-2010. Before you ask yes I can show results and my biggest win is 65k$. I agree that it seems rigged at times, but I can’t prove or disprove that. Alot of times I’ve won on stars, I used to profit regularly playing MTT and SNG fields. The 99% comment on losing all in is stupid so I’ll ignore that.

 

 

Right – if I missed things (I missed alot) please reply.

 

I believe Someone asked about RTP but the games aren’t run like that. They are based on individual rounds not collective. Ours are at least.

 

I agree some used to be rigged but they get found out. The big ones now… no chance. They make 150mil a year legally… and again, I can see game rounds.

 

Coming soon – blockchain slots. Probably fair gaming. That will change the way you see slots. You’ll have 2k spins on a slot that’s high variance, and then get a 7x bonus, but you’ll be able to SEE the maths through the blockchain. That is going to change everything.

 

I hope this helps

 

P.s I gamble, ask bandit. He sees my affil history. I wouldn’t be doing that if I knew it was rigged. I’m here for fun and my original post is 100% factual.

[Run187 WANTED $28 Outlaw]

eejit101 wrote:

I forgot to check the forum for a week. I started a riot.

 

In the act of fairness I’ll ignore any stupid comments or conspiracy so far and try and help. Please respond to this and tag me so I’ll answer questions.

 

1 – my name is Phil. I work for a casino company. We build casinos using our back office platform, and provide them with games payments and services. We have no say in the marketing bonuses or operation of the casinos. We currently have over 35 casinos live for over 22 different companies.

To answer how I see my “proof”, I look. I see the RTP of every game. I can review individual game rounds. I can do this as I have accesses to all back offices on our network. I had to confirm to MGA and UKGC etc with a data protection agreement and pass a test!

 

2 – the reason I do this is for Years I thought it must be rigged. I have only worked in igaming for 13 months… however I’ve gambled since I was about 14. I sell the casinos, I do demos, i handle complaints from owners, and most Importantly, I see profit and loss each month for all casinos. Every single one of them has had losing months, and the average withdrawals and RTP balances out at around 96%.

 

Pokerstars- I know a bit about this. I used to play professionally from 2008-2010. Before you ask yes I can show results and my biggest win is 65k$. I agree that it seems rigged at times, but I can’t prove or disprove that. Alot of times I’ve won on stars, I used to profit regularly playing MTT and SNG fields. The 99% comment on losing all in is stupid so I’ll ignore that.

 

 

Right – if I missed things (I missed alot) please reply.

 

I believe Someone asked about RTP but the games aren’t run like that. They are based on individual rounds not collective. Ours are at least.

 

I agree some used to be rigged but they get found out. The big ones now… no chance. They make 150mil a year legally… and again, I can see game rounds.

 

Coming soon – blockchain slots. Probably fair gaming. That will change the way you see slots. You’ll have 2k spins on a slot that’s high variance, and then get a 7x bonus, but you’ll be able to SEE the maths through the blockchain. That is going to change everything.

 

I hope this helps

 

P.s I gamble, ask bandit. He sees my affil history. I wouldn’t be doing that if I knew it was rigged. I’m here for fun and my original post is 100% factual.

If they ever watched or played a live game they would know ps is as random as random can be, iv saw six 6 pp in a six ring offline and the pp 6s won to a miracle one out river, iv seen people on stars go to the this site is rigged after they lose a 2 dollar sng fn really . they however

Forget as if by magic the times they hit the one outer miracle river when the rng “works correctly” .wish they would realise a multi-billion dollar site does not need to screw you out your money they will get it in time due to natural loses, watched a guy lose with pp aa to pp aa in a million dollar buy-in  live event via youtube cards flipped they expect chop flop turn river hits 4 hearts flush for one other goes out .that would be why its called gambling and not winning..

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Another point on pokerstars…

 

The legal admissions of guilt were for banking offences in regulated markets, improper DPA and player verification, illegal players from USA and not keeping total amount of revenue in player accounts available for use.

At no point was their RNG ever deemed “dodgy”. The pokerstars RNG has access by a total of 3 people. And all of them are checked constantly. A company earning 1.8bil in revenue… trust me… they are checked by fucking everyone. All the time. If we get audited every year… they will have in-house independent testing.

[Run187 WANTED $28 Outlaw]

Just Basics wrote:

Why was Scheinberg the owner of Pokerstars and other major online casinos in High Court in the first place? Bit weird that innit

I will use ” WITH PREJUDICE” IN A SENTENCE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND

Since he was truly guilty of the crime, and the courts ruled “with prejudice” that he was innocent, Scheinberg and all the other corrupt fraudulent liars completely got away with it!

Gimme a break. Yeah i can’t read well sometimes, But surely you can read this!

Peace Ou

With prejudice in a law sense, in short, would mean they can’t have the same claim filed against them  .a judge DISMISSED the case.

I could be stood over someone with a 12 gauge shotgun in my hand putting pictures on social media well holding a sign saying I did it, but if the case goes to court and the judge dismisses all charges I like poker stars will be LEGALLY not guilty.

that would be the previous owner though as no charges can be filed against the current one for crimes that may have happened previous to 2014 when amaya bought it,but you naturally know that ..

[Wormweed WANTED $42 Outlaw]

I play the freeroll battles on Videoslots daily, and i see a lot of people throwing tantrums in the chat, claiming to know it’s rigged and shady, with bots winning all the freerolls, and their deposits being lost in 1 second, without a cashout in 6 months, all of the typical “i just lost more than i could afford” rage.

It’s disturbing that so many claim to know they are being scammed by the casino, but still deposit and play there, knowing (in their minds at least) that they are being scammed out of their money.

Why would anyone that claims to know it’s a scam keep depositing? Surely they would understand they had 0 chance of winning if it was all a scam? It would be like knowingly playing games with a friend that’s cheating, 100% waste of time, and you will lose every single time.

Nobody would play games with that friend! so why play games with a casino you don’t trust?

There might be some small shady casinos out there, but most if not all of the well known casinos are legit, like @eejit101 said.

I know i don’t give my money to shady card hustlers doing magic tricks on the street, claiming i can win if i guess the correct card, or to that Nigerian prince that called to tell me i inherited 20 million euro. So i’m not going to lose my mind and do it to someone online instead.

[stace11022 WANTED $23 Outlaw]

Anyone want some toast ???

 

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

I like toast.

[Iggmeister WANTED $2 Outlaw]

Just read all this, wish i hadnt ..

 

Just Basics issue with the OP is that he didnt provide any proof or evidence?  Then proceeded to make sweeping statements/accusations of systemic fraud and corruption – without providing any proof or evidence – all a waste of time really

 

Same for that videos posted about Poker, no proof provided in it – just a random guy saying what his stats are without showing them – pfff

 

On the other hand, this did happen last week in my fourth ever online Poker tournament …. Call Mulder

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