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Biohazard wrote:

Can corruption in this industry happen? Absolutely.
On this very page.

Apologies Bio, on reflection I read that but I am illegally multitasking issues and have been all day aside from being tired.

Risk and reward is a viable argument I agree but not conclusive enough to say it doesn’t, hasn’t or can’t happen. 888 are a corrupt company. They are not a small company. Off the top of my head I don’t know if they have been punished for being corrupt but I do know “the commission” have been alerted to fraud BY 888, whom I personally hate hate hate. This goes back way over a decade when I looked at them with disdain.

Innocent until proven guilty is exactly right. But that doesn’t mean I can’t say some people who’s names start with the letter B are this, or are that, because the word some allows the generalism as long as of course, some are this or that. So IUPG doesn’t fit because we’re talking about the industry as part of society in general.

The industry itself doesn’t give a damn about problem gamblers so it in some way shape or form won’t really mind corruption. I can easily imagine CEOs over beers laughing about how they did the equivalent of “yea, I robbed someones mobile phone in bus depot, hahahaha fuck em”.

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

Biohazard wrote:

awesomex wrote:

Again, someone who defends the casinos. Amazing.

Banter.

Mr B wrote:

You say obviously corruption exists. But you don’t say in the gambling world, just generally.

Biohazard wrote:

Can corruption in this industry happen? Absolutely.

On this very page.

Mr B wrote:

And just because “rigged” isn’t the only option, doesn’t mean it isn’t.

I agree with you.

Mr B wrote:

The black jack dealer was (someone said here I think) sacked.

It was me that said that. I read a whole case about it a while back. They interviewed him and tried to investigate why he did what he did (apparently) and refused to answer any questions. I agree this is a dodgy af one.

Mr B wrote:

Casinomeister lists a whole host of rogue casinos and while I am not saying every casino is playing beyond the house edge, and without evidence to prove there is, or isn’t, it is equally wrong to say (from nowhere) that casino is corrupt or indeed that casino isn’t corrupt.

Although, again, I actually agree with you, surely ‘innocent until proven guilty’ should play a factor here? If we don’t apply it, then where do we draw the line? Sometimes in life we have to be more trusting, it’s no wonder anxiety is such a prolific issue in this day and age.

Mr B wrote:

I’m certainly not buying this bullshit excuse (was it argyl who said it?) that because a casino is bigger, it is somehow less likely to be corrupt.

I said it. Risk and reward!

Mr B wrote:

And could the gov.commission be turning a blind eye in some way shape or form  as someone has said already ? I would suffer no form of shock if it was.

So what’s the advantage to them doing this? They could incur absolutely huge financial and operational penalties on the casino at fault (as they have done, particularly in the last couple of years). Even if the casino was to bribe them, this would never amount to even close to the penalties they could inflict.

Not to mention the scale of this corruption would be absolutely unprecedented if what people are saying in this thread was true.

The advantage to them doing this is simple – Like another guy said here earlier: The regulators/inspectors send them an email, saying when they’ll come and to pick them up at the airport. I have no doubt this is how they do it. This means they can get away with it until the next control, 2 years later. If they rig stuff to make them 50k a day, that’s £18 million in 2 years. If they then forget to get rid of the evidence by the time the inspectors come, they get slapped with a 100k fine or something stupid like that, which they gladly pay, and keep doing this.

There are so many workarounds in the casino industry it’s insane. Just think about it – Why do you think each license holder has tons of casinos operating under the same license? They’re prepared to shut down a site and move the customers over to the other if shit hits the fan.

Here’s an example:
Day 1: I spoke to Simon, a support rep at VoodooDreams.
Day 2: I spoke to Simon, a support rep at NYSpins.
Turns out NYSPins and VoodooDreams are the same, with the same games, same license, but with different names, and their support staff works at both. Every single casino does it this way.
Don’t believe me? Go register to all the 20-odd aspire license casinos, and contact their customer service. You’ll see you’re likely talking to the same person on all 20 sites.

Not to mention the fact that they gladly take your money immediately upon registering, and let you play for as long as you want without verification, but when you’ve spent 10k and you suddenly win £1000 one day and try to cash out, you have to go through a verification process, which takes days. Meanwhile they will cancel your withdrawal a few times, and send you tons of email offers, trying to get you to login again.
Any idea how much they make/save off of cancelled withdrawals per year? Bet we’re talking about hundreds of millions.

Just look at it from this point of view: Why are they all based in Malta? This question alone should be enough to make people realize they’re not honest and responsible.
The simple answer is: Cus they’re left alone to do what they want, and it’s too expensive for people to sue them if something happens. Also, they don’t have to obey YOUR laws, only the maltese laws. Which none of the lawyers in your country knows anything about. Nor does any of us have the resources to follow up a case with these fuckers.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Do you really think casinos are willing to risk players like Rocknrolla and Bandit knocking them for 100k each every day? No. They’re not gonna leave it to chance. Initially the games are likely as described, but if someone is rolling huge, the casinos will have safeguards that come out of the closet to stop people from winning too much. Safeguards which regulators either don’t see, or are paid to not see.

I don’t defend casinos, I just don’t believe wild claims without evidence. I also know a fair bit about both the applicable laws and regulation and how the programming of slots actually works. This is alongside a lifetime of personal experience as a player, which also firmly tells me I’m not being illicitly cheated.

As for Malta, many gambling firms are based there for the simple reason the country offers very favourable tax arrangements on their revenue. In terms of regulation for fairness and player safety, they’re actually nearly as strict as the UK.

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

Just look at it from this point of view: Why are they all based in Malta?

 

Tax reasons. Obviously.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

Not sure but they probably don’t have to publish their accounts with companies house. They don’t want anyone to know how much they make. Coral aren’t limited either which means their accounts are not viewable to the public. Why ? What are they hiding?  We don’t know the half of what goes on.

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

Here’s another example of top level fraud. This game was played today, in the top league in Turkey. Istanbul, who’s on top of the table, had lost 1 game at home this season before this game, where they faced Göztepe, the 2nd worst away team in the league, the 2nd worst over all (before today), who had won only 2 away games this season. Then they lost 0-2 to this joke of a team. Istanbul has been ahead all through this season, and will now most likely lose the championship to Galatasaray on the finish line, cus they lost at home to a shit team.

People can say what they want, but things like this doesn’t happen on the top levels of football. But in turkey it happens a lot. Yet nobody seems to do anything about it. No sanctions, nothing.

I bet if you follow football, you’ve seen what’s happening with the FIFA/UEFA leaks as well? Tons of clubs have been involved in fraudulent activity, and the orgs called for sanctions against them as soon as it came out. But as time passed, people lost interest, and it got so watered down that they get away with it with a slap on the wrist.

A Norwegian student was killed in London by some arab prince a few years ago. The prince was transported back to his country, with diplomatic immunity from Britain and all the way home, so he didn’t have to face his charges.

The people voted for Brexit, MPs keep voting against it by a huge margine.

Money talks. If you have enough money, you can do what you want. I think it’s pretty obvious, but then people just yell “conspiracy nut” and laugh, which has been the goal of the people controlling you from the very start.
You’re indoctrinated. You’re their prisoner and you don’t even know it.

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

Rbreen91 wrote:

Just look at it from this point of view: Why are they all based in Malta?

 

Tax reasons. Obviously.

That should be your first clue that they’re willing to do anything to make money, shouldn’t it?

[ayma4quit WANTED $47 Outlaw]

Sounds to me like You are the main conspiracy theorist bud….And for fucks sake, stop quoting everything you personally believe as “100%”. That would make it a fact. Its not a fact, its your deluded opinion. 100%.

[ayma4quit WANTED $47 Outlaw]

awesomex wrote:

Here’s another example of top level fraud. This game was played today, in the top league in Turkey. Istanbul, who’s on top of the table, had lost 1 game at home this season before this game, where they faced Göztepe, the 2nd worst away team in the league, the 2nd worst over all (before today), who had won only 2 away games this season. Then they lost 0-2 to this joke of a team. Istanbul has been ahead all through this season, and will now most likely lose the championship to Galatasaray on the finish line, cus they lost at home to a shit team.

People can say what they want, but things like this doesn’t happen on the top levels of football. But in turkey it happens a lot. Yet nobody seems to do anything about it. No sanctions, nothing.

I bet if you follow football, you’ve seen what’s happening with the FIFA/UEFA leaks as well? Tons of clubs have been involved in fraudulent activity, and the orgs called for sanctions against them as soon as it came out. But as time passed, people lost interest, and it got so watered down that they get away with it with a slap on the wrist.

A Norwegian student was killed in London by some arab prince a few years ago. The prince was transported back to his country, with diplomatic immunity from Britain and all the way home, so he didn’t have to face his charges.

The people voted for Brexit, MPs keep voting against it by a huge margine.

Money talks. If you have enough money, you can do what you want. I think it’s pretty obvious, but then people just yell “conspiracy nut” and laugh, which has been the goal of the people controlling you from the very start.
You’re indoctrinated. You’re their prisoner and you don’t even know it.

Anyone know where I can get some really, really thick tinfoil to make a hat out of please.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

What gets me is how has a game been changed. People say secret of the stones is harder to bonus. Fruit warp has changed. Danger doesn’t pay like it used to. This is coming from streamers. People who have had 10’s of thousands of spins on these games. Especially fruit warp. So have they changed. What have they changed with these games. Who knows.

[Sh Shadmun WANTED $21 Outlaw]

I hit a decent amount on number 30 on a live wheel with a live dealer the number shown on screen and in the history however was 36 .

luckily I managed to grab a few screenshots and a few weeks later got paid.

’computer error’ apparently

havent touched the live wheel since don’t trust it.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

Shadmun wrote:

I hit a decent amount on number 30 on a live wheel with a live dealer the number shown on screen and in the history however was 36 .

luckily I managed to grab a few screenshots and a few weeks later got paid.

’computer error’ apparently

havent touched the live wheel since don’t trust it.

I wouldn’t of liked that as i back 8 and 11 as my main two numbers. ?

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

ayma4quit wrote:

Sounds to me like You are the main conspiracy theorist bud….And for fucks sake, stop quoting everything you personally believe as “100%”. That would make it a fact. Its not a fact, its your deluded opinion. 100%.

You’re just proving my point. People like you, who don’t know anything and trust “the system” blindly, just yell “conspiracy nut”, as if that’s your counterargument and supposed to invalidate what I’ve said and provided documentation for.
How about you bring something real to the table, instead of just insults?

I have yet to see a single person who argues against this use any proof, whereas I provided video links of several situations where there was proof of my side of the argument. And believe me, there are tons more out there.

When I state something is 100%, it is. I NEVER go into an argument without proof of what I’m saying.

 

[Green2711 WANTED $492 Outlaw]

awesomex wrote:

Here’s another example of top level fraud. This game was played today, in the top league in Turkey. Istanbul, who’s on top of the table, had lost 1 game at home this season before this game, where they faced Göztepe, the 2nd worst away team in the league, the 2nd worst over all (before today), who had won only 2 away games this season. Then they lost 0-2 to this joke of a team. Istanbul has been ahead all through this season, and will now most likely lose the championship to Galatasaray on the finish line, cus they lost at home to a shit team.

People can say what they want, but things like this doesn’t happen on the top levels of football. But in turkey it happens a lot. Yet nobody seems to do anything about it. No sanctions, nothing.

I bet if you follow football, you’ve seen what’s happening with the FIFA/UEFA leaks as well? Tons of clubs have been involved in fraudulent activity, and the orgs called for sanctions against them as soon as it came out. But as time passed, people lost interest, and it got so watered down that they get away with it with a slap on the wrist.

A Norwegian student was killed in London by some arab prince a few years ago. The prince was transported back to his country, with diplomatic immunity from Britain and all the way home, so he didn’t have to face his charges.

The people voted for Brexit, MPs keep voting against it by a huge margine.

Money talks. If you have enough money, you can do what you want. I think it’s pretty obvious, but then people just yell “conspiracy nut” and laugh, which has been the goal of the people controlling you from the very start.
You’re indoctrinated. You’re their prisoner and you don’t even know it.

That example you posted proves nothing. Match fixing does happen in Football I’m not disputing that (How’s it going Series A?) but just because a top team was beaten at home against a team with a poor away record holds no bearing on the match being corrupt, you say that doesn’t happen at top level football but it does; it happens at all levels of Football. How many times have there been giant slaying in the Champions league/Europa League/FA Cup/League cup; it happens almost every season that a premier league club is knocked out of a cup by a team in a lower division or a shock result happens that no one sees coming. Isn’t that part of the reason we watch football in the first place; it’d be pretty boring if the favourite always won.

 

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

awesomex wrote:

That

Nah, I paid next to fuck all tax last year, doesn’t make me a bad person.

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