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27th April 2019 at 12:50 am #62747
And that football example was stupid, it happens unbelievably often.
127th April 2019 at 12:52 am #62748When I state something is 100%, it is. I NEVER go into an argument without proof of what I’m saying.
Like that Casino 100% committed fraud?
27th April 2019 at 1:27 am #62755Apparently there is stone cold 100% factual proof of corruption somewhere in this thread.
I must have missed it…..
On a side note earlier today I saw a video of a unicorn on YouTube. They exist 100% fact and if anyone wants proof till post the video.
27th April 2019 at 2:29 am #62761Oh lordy. Dead or Alive 2: it’s just come out, it’s getting millions of spins as thousands of players hit it each day, it’s not surprising that you’re seeing some monstrous wins after a highly anticipated new game release. These will continue for probably a couple of months as the game gets that many more frequent spins than other titles, then settle down and drop off as people start to lose interest and move on to the next new release.
Spin a win: don’t know what that is, not a game I’ve ever seen in the UK. Doesn’t looked rigged to me in the video but I’m not going to comment on something I don’t know more about.
Rocknrolla roulette: mmm, was it rigged all those times he hit jackpot numbers for 10, 20, 30k or more at a time too? I’ve seen that guy start with £40 and get it up to 3 grand in a matter of minutes from a sequence of lucky live roulette hits. He bets big, he wins big, he loses big, that’s both his thing and the nature of roulette.
Jammin’ jars: this has already been explained. The game is random in compliance with regulation, but its implementation is unusual for a slot in that each spin is more like a virtual scratchcard and not independent reel sets, hence you can get two identical wins which play out exactly the same way in the presentation to the player. Irregular for a slot to work that way, but understandable given how the slot was designed and not in any way less fair or less random than any other game, just works differently.
Blackjack: no particular comment on the video, I never played blackjack but honestly if a casino is going to cheat you at live blackjack, they’re not going to do it in such an obvious, ham-fisted way as the dealer skipping a card right in front of you on camera. Perhaps someone else can speculate on what might’ve happened with that one, I don’t know the game well enough to say but I certainly wouldn’t take one dealer’s hand slipping on one round on one casino as proof that it’s deliberately rigged. Again I’ve seen Rocknrolla win loads of high stake consecutive blackjack hands.
This very site gets dozens of submissions every week of ordinary, non-affiliated players on slots hitting wins up to hundreds and even thousands of times their stake. If casinos and providers between them are in a conspiracy to rig games and cheat players out of money, the Big Wins page is solid evidence they’re not very good at it.
Again, someone who defends the casinos. Amazing. For every submission on this page, I’m willing to bet everything I own that every single one of them have invested more than they posted in the big wins.
You’re really being way too uncritical of the guys in this business. I’m not saying Paul, Steve and the rest of the streamers can’t be trusted. What I’m saying is that there are always things behind the scenes that you and I don’t know about.
Do you really think casinos are willing to risk players like Rocknrolla and Bandit knocking them for 100k each every day? No. They’re not gonna leave it to chance. Initially the games are likely as described, but if someone is rolling huge, the casinos will have safeguards that come out of the closet to stop people from winning too much. Safeguards which regulators either don’t see, or are paid to not see.
It’s actually incredible to me how people can blindly trust and all out defend someone who’s set up shop in Malta to avoid local/national regulations everywhere else.
Time to jump in. And if you need factual proof I’ve already offered to show people an actual casino internal systems.
1 – Malta is as regulated as the UKGC. Companies come here to pay less tax. It’s not a crack den. It’s for company income. Similar to companies like shell having holdings from Cayman islands for tax… this is the igaming mecca. Along with Gibraltar.
2 – betonline blackjack. 100% rigged. I have met someone who was part of it. I did not speak to them. It was unregulated USA players on an unregulated site.
3 – jamming jars is covered I hope.l by now. That’s not anything like rigged. Only way I can describe it is… the jackpot screen on a 500quid rainbow riches. Only one way to show that right? There is only 2 ways possible to show a 1899.45x win on jars also. The game is so complex they couldn’t code any more. Time/speed would suck.
4 – streamers… God you guys can you please trust me. Streamers can not get better results on games. The casinos have NO control over games. Here is why. For the final time. Again… proof is on offer.
Casino11 takes a bet of 1k on evolution. Player loses. Casino keeps 850 evolution gets 150.
Casino22 takes a bet of 1k. Player wins 20k. Casino loses 19k. Evolution is down 15% of the difference. It has negative carryover so that’s a 3k loss for evolution.
Evolution has no benefit from allowing anyone access to spin data. Same for netent. Same for any provider. The game API is coded into the casino to receive and send data for money win/loss/bonus only. The game rounds and the results come from an offsite, hosted, RNG secure and compliant and checked routinely RGS. Look at the top of the screen in the browser when you play. It doesnt say casumo.com/fishinfrenzy it says Rgs.nyxukgc.blueprint.fishinfrnezy.19383 or something mad. That’s the game mode.
5 – Streamers themselves. Yes. Some get free money to bet with. Their personality drives traffic and they are paid as affiliates. Some get to keep 25% of their winnings from the free buyin (fruity slots) some keep none and take the affiliate money (roshstein) and some are on a mix (davoslots). Some do it off and on (2 I cant say as legally I would be sued) but none of them is the bandit.
Conspiracy wise I can prove all of this. I already gave my Skype and LinkedIn if anyone wants to see.
Disclaimer – I work for a company that isnt a game provider or a casino. No casino we deal with is UK based. I get 0 money from affiliates or streamers and I gamble myself. I’m aware of how it all works and I trust various sites.
The ONLY way casinos can screw you.. as someone subtly put it… is by refusing cashouts on bonus terms. Or duplicate accounts. They cant control your money or your spins.
1127th April 2019 at 2:39 am #62762Again, someone who defends the casinos. Amazing.Banter.
You say obviously corruption exists. But you don’t say in the gambling world, just generally.Can corruption in this industry happen? Absolutely.On this very page.
And just because “rigged” isn’t the only option, doesn’t mean it isn’t.I agree with you.
The black jack dealer was (someone said here I think) sacked.It was me that said that. I read a whole case about it a while back. They interviewed him and tried to investigate why he did what he did (apparently) and refused to answer any questions. I agree this is a dodgy af one.
Casinomeister lists a whole host of rogue casinos and while I am not saying every casino is playing beyond the house edge, and without evidence to prove there is, or isn’t, it is equally wrong to say (from nowhere) that casino is corrupt or indeed that casino isn’t corrupt.Although, again, I actually agree with you, surely ‘innocent until proven guilty’ should play a factor here? If we don’t apply it, then where do we draw the line? Sometimes in life we have to be more trusting, it’s no wonder anxiety is such a prolific issue in this day and age.
I’m certainly not buying this bullshit excuse (was it argyl who said it?) that because a casino is bigger, it is somehow less likely to be corrupt.I said it. Risk and reward!
And could the gov.commission be turning a blind eye in some way shape or form as someone has said already ? I would suffer no form of shock if it was.So what’s the advantage to them doing this? They could incur absolutely huge financial and operational penalties on the casino at fault (as they have done, particularly in the last couple of years). Even if the casino was to bribe them, this would never amount to even close to the penalties they could inflict.
Not to mention the scale of this corruption would be absolutely unprecedented if what people are saying in this thread was true.
The advantage to them doing this is simple – Like another guy said here earlier: The regulators/inspectors send them an email, saying when they’ll come and to pick them up at the airport. I have no doubt this is how they do it. This means they can get away with it until the next control, 2 years later. If they rig stuff to make them 50k a day, that’s £18 million in 2 years. If they then forget to get rid of the evidence by the time the inspectors come, they get slapped with a 100k fine or something stupid like that, which they gladly pay, and keep doing this.
There are so many workarounds in the casino industry it’s insane. Just think about it – Why do you think each license holder has tons of casinos operating under the same license? They’re prepared to shut down a site and move the customers over to the other if shit hits the fan.
Here’s an example: Day 1: I spoke to Simon, a support rep at VoodooDreams.
Day 2: I spoke to Simon, a support rep at NYSpins.
Turns out NYSPins and VoodooDreams are the same, with the same games, same license, but with different names, and their support staff works at both. Every single casino does it this way.
Don’t believe me? Go register to all the 20-odd aspire license casinos, and contact their customer service. You’ll see you’re likely talking to the same person on all 20 sites.Not to mention the fact that they gladly take your money immediately upon registering, and let you play for as long as you want without verification, but when you’ve spent 10k and you suddenly win £1000 one day and try to cash out, you have to go through a verification process, which takes days. Meanwhile they will cancel your withdrawal a few times, and send you tons of email offers, trying to get you to login again.
Any idea how much they make/save off of cancelled withdrawals per year? Bet we’re talking about hundreds of millions.Just look at it from this point of view: Why are they all based in Malta? This question alone should be enough to make people realize they’re not honest and responsible.
The simple answer is: Cus they’re left alone to do what they want, and it’s too expensive for people to sue them if something happens. Also, they don’t have to obey YOUR laws, only the maltese laws. Which none of the lawyers in your country knows anything about. Nor does any of us have the resources to follow up a case with these fuckers.Jesus where to start with this.
You are talking 20% truth 80% random made up nonsense im sorry.
@bandit can we do a YouTube vid together where I show and explain this?
Re: casinos on licences and aspire. Your referring to white label casinos. Aspire doesnt own all these casinos. People buy them without their own licence and white label it from aspires. Aspire owns the technology and runs the CS. The purchaser owns the domain and the player database. It’s a cheaper way to launch your own casino. This is what we do precisely. I sell this very product.
Malta – we are more regulated than almost any other. We have had 4 audits in 9 months. And 2 technical audits. 1 at random.
Commission reps – they have announced and also unannounced visits. What you also dont know is they have DIRECT access to the game servers of each provider for a company to see and confirm its legitimate. This is accessible at any time. Most are done by a group called GLI. So sorry to say but your claim you made is fabricated.
Pending and cancelled withdrawals… 100% accurate. Over 30% is saved by this. I despise this. I hate casinos that do it and have had several heated chats with people who own one of our white labels who do it. However one thing I will say in defence of it (playing devils advocate) is that deposit fees and withdrawal fees are expensive. Casinos pay 2-8% fees depending on what method used to the provider. Debit card is 2.2%. Paysafecard or ukash is 8.5%. Skrill and neteller is 4%. And almost as much per withdrawal.
When you operate on small margins this adds up. I already posted that casinos only make on average 25% of a deposit as gross profit. If you take another 6% off that you quickly become losing money.
27th April 2019 at 2:50 am #62765I have to say pre 2014 here in NZ online slots were considered dodgy people were very sceptical of the whole internet gambling. Fast forward to 2019 it’s super popular everyone’s playing now the bookie slots are empty and everyone’s gambling at home.
In 2015 a NZ player was on the 6 o’clock news the story was he deposited 50$ on jackpot city and won the mega moolah jackpot on a 25p stake. From that point on online gambling was In every gamblers home all playing on jackpot city even though they had payout problems poor customer service, basically bad customer experiences. However nobody cared they only cared about if this person can win so can I.
2016-2017 twitch and steamers becomes mainstream what better way to promote a casino than have a house player in there showing off epic wins giving the viewer the belief that they can win too. It’s the ultimate advertising strategy.
Prehaps even the streamer himself is unaware that his account is tweaked this would in fact give a more realistic believable celebration when they actually have these big wins.
I feel that the super wins will become less and less as time goes by, the casinos objective to convince players an epic win is possible is almost complete. The influence of social media has once again changed peoples opinions made them believers and created more problem gamblers than ever before.
The good thing is they can’t give streamers jackpot wins as the jackpots work as a collective and having a rigged win on one site would be biased to the others. However they can control the RTP on their own version of a slot and for this reason they are able to demonstrate the potentially life changing money they can offer.
27th April 2019 at 2:55 am #62766Casinos can’t control the RTP.
The Game provider created a game (say DHV) and creates it in 3 RTP modes. Usually 96 94 and 89. 89 is usually for offline (bookies) and foreign (Latin america) shops.
The casinos usually are forced into taking the 96% version. No possible work around. However a few providers do offer the choice (playngo thunderkick blueprint etc) and the casino gets those rtp settings for that game. Unchangeable in every way from that point.
1127th April 2019 at 3:22 am #62767Oh lordy. Dead or Alive 2: it’s just come out, it’s getting millions of spins as thousands of players hit it each day, it’s not surprising that you’re seeing some monstrous wins after a highly anticipated new game release. These will continue for probably a couple of months as the game gets that many more frequent spins than other titles, then settle down and drop off as people start to lose interest and move on to the next new release.
Spin a win: don’t know what that is, not a game I’ve ever seen in the UK. Doesn’t looked rigged to me in the video but I’m not going to comment on something I don’t know more about.
Rocknrolla roulette: mmm, was it rigged all those times he hit jackpot numbers for 10, 20, 30k or more at a time too? I’ve seen that guy start with £40 and get it up to 3 grand in a matter of minutes from a sequence of lucky live roulette hits. He bets big, he wins big, he loses big, that’s both his thing and the nature of roulette.
Jammin’ jars: this has already been explained. The game is random in compliance with regulation, but its implementation is unusual for a slot in that each spin is more like a virtual scratchcard and not independent reel sets, hence you can get two identical wins which play out exactly the same way in the presentation to the player. Irregular for a slot to work that way, but understandable given how the slot was designed and not in any way less fair or less random than any other game, just works differently.
Blackjack: no particular comment on the video, I never played blackjack but honestly if a casino is going to cheat you at live blackjack, they’re not going to do it in such an obvious, ham-fisted way as the dealer skipping a card right in front of you on camera. Perhaps someone else can speculate on what might’ve happened with that one, I don’t know the game well enough to say but I certainly wouldn’t take one dealer’s hand slipping on one round on one casino as proof that it’s deliberately rigged. Again I’ve seen Rocknrolla win loads of high stake consecutive blackjack hands.
This very site gets dozens of submissions every week of ordinary, non-affiliated players on slots hitting wins up to hundreds and even thousands of times their stake. If casinos and providers between them are in a conspiracy to rig games and cheat players out of money, the Big Wins page is solid evidence they’re not very good at it.
Again, someone who defends the casinos. Amazing. For every submission on this page, I’m willing to bet everything I own that every single one of them have invested more than they posted in the big wins.
You’re really being way too uncritical of the guys in this business. I’m not saying Paul, Steve and the rest of the streamers can’t be trusted. What I’m saying is that there are always things behind the scenes that you and I don’t know about.
Do you really think casinos are willing to risk players like Rocknrolla and Bandit knocking them for 100k each every day? No. They’re not gonna leave it to chance. Initially the games are likely as described, but if someone is rolling huge, the casinos will have safeguards that come out of the closet to stop people from winning too much. Safeguards which regulators either don’t see, or are paid to not see.
It’s actually incredible to me how people can blindly trust and all out defend someone who’s set up shop in Malta to avoid local/national regulations everywhere else.
Time to jump in. And if you need factual proof I’ve already offered to show people an actual casino internal systems.
1 – Malta is as regulated as the UKGC. Companies come here to pay less tax. It’s not a crack den. It’s for company income. Similar to companies like shell having holdings from Cayman islands for tax… this is the igaming mecca. Along with Gibraltar.
2 – betonline blackjack. 100% rigged. I have met someone who was part of it. I did not speak to them. It was unregulated USA players on an unregulated site.
3 – jamming jars is covered I hope.l by now. That’s not anything like rigged. Only way I can describe it is… the jackpot screen on a 500quid rainbow riches. Only one way to show that right? There is only 2 ways possible to show a 1899.45x win on jars also. The game is so complex they couldn’t code any more. Time/speed would suck.
4 – streamers… God you guys can you please trust me. Streamers can not get better results on games. The casinos have NO control over games. Here is why. For the final time. Again… proof is on offer.
Casino11 takes a bet of 1k on evolution. Player loses. Casino keeps 850 evolution gets 150.
Casino22 takes a bet of 1k. Player wins 20k. Casino loses 19k. Evolution is down 15% of the difference. It has negative carryover so that’s a 3k loss for evolution.
Evolution has no benefit from allowing anyone access to spin data. Same for netent. Same for any provider. The game API is coded into the casino to receive and send data for money win/loss/bonus only. The game rounds and the results come from an offsite, hosted, RNG secure and compliant and checked routinely RGS. Look at the top of the screen in the browser when you play. It doesnt say casumo.com/fishinfrenzy it says Rgs.nyxukgc.blueprint.fishinfrnezy.19383 or something mad. That’s the game mode.
5 – Streamers themselves. Yes. Some get free money to bet with. Their personality drives traffic and they are paid as affiliates. Some get to keep 25% of their winnings from the free buyin (fruity slots) some keep none and take the affiliate money (roshstein) and some are on a mix (davoslots). Some do it off and on (2 I cant say as legally I would be sued) but none of them is the bandit.
Conspiracy wise I can prove all of this. I already gave my Skype and LinkedIn if anyone wants to see.
Disclaimer – I work for a company that isnt a game provider or a casino. No casino we deal with is UK based. I get 0 money from affiliates or streamers and I gamble myself. I’m aware of how it all works and I trust various sites.
The ONLY way casinos can screw you.. as someone subtly put it… is by refusing cashouts on bonus terms. Or duplicate accounts. They cant control your money or your spins.
You put forward a well structured, coherent explanation of everything in this thread. ?
But awesomex put up a YouTube video so as he said to me “you must not be right in the head” as he doesn’t start a debate without 100% proof ????
127th April 2019 at 4:07 am #62774Streamers themselves. Yes. Some get free money to bet with. Their personality drives trafficHow does that work for Stop and Step – he doesn’t have a personality 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
27th April 2019 at 4:34 am #62776You put forward a well structured, coherent explanation of everything in this thread.
To be honest Eeejit normally does, I find his posts quite refreshing as he is honest about the way some of streamers function, explains the background to all of his arguments etc.
The problem is that you only need one under capitalised casino pulling all the usual tricks and the word spreads that they are all doing it. I am not going to comment on the roulette and dream catcher as to my mind they are eminently fixable as they are in-situ.
With the slots however, I cannot believe that an game provider, who only receives commission, and provides services to 100’s of casino’s is going to risk their licence to benefit a couple of streamers and influence customers. It must be just volume, If you are playing with free money you can play all day every day until you hit that win, most people run out of money first.
Of course that doesn’t mean casino’s aren’t nasty little weasels with the verification delays, bank payment issues etc etc, many of which are run for cashflow reasons and to promote withdrawal cancellations – this is a recognised practice.
27th April 2019 at 5:40 am #62781Sounds to me like You are the main conspiracy theorist bud….And for fucks sake, stop quoting everything you personally believe as “100%”. That would make it a fact. Its not a fact, its your deluded opinion. 100%.
You’re just proving my point. People like you, who don’t know anything and trust “the system” blindly, just yell “conspiracy nut”, as if that’s your counterargument and supposed to invalidate what I’ve said and provided documentation for. How about you bring something real to the table, instead of just insults?
I have yet to see a single person who argues against this use any proof, whereas I provided video links of several situations where there was proof of my side of the argument. And believe me, there are tons more out there.
When I state something is 100%, it is. I NEVER go into an argument without proof of what I’m saying.
That’s the problem though. It 100% isn’t fact…. Its YOUR opinion backed up by a few dodgy videos, the majority of which can be explaned as anomalies.
Is there corruption???… Maybe, but definitive proof needs to be found and that’s not the videos youve “brought to the table”
What insults??… Youre the one expecting everyone to believe you without question and then start saying that they don’t know anything when they dare to disagree with you.
Are you Full of shit??…. 100%
27th April 2019 at 8:44 am #62785Well, I saw corruption in one of the videos as that blackjack card flick is undeniable. Was he working on his own and if he was, what does he possibly gain ? I can’t see his own inner motive. The only possible I can think of is the player was rude to him on live chat so payback came. Who knows ? Definitely card fixing.
So no, the op who presented this as conspiracy theory, isn’t 100% full of ish.
27th April 2019 at 9:08 am #62787Speculation, conjecture and opinion does not equal fact. Sure there are some bad eggs out there, just as there have been dodgy football teams/scores. Doesn’t mean everyone is doing it.
27th April 2019 at 10:15 am #62800Well, I saw corruption in one of the videos as that blackjack card flick is undeniable. Was he working on his own and if he was, what does he possibly gain ? I can’t see his own inner motive. The only possible I can think of is the player was rude to him on live chat so payback came. Who knows ? Definitely card fixing.
So no, the op who presented this as conspiracy theory, isn’t 100% full of ish.
You’re right, that was dodgy although it was explained earlier in the thread-the clip is from an unregulated US online casino apparently.
So in light of that, I’m happy to lower the shit content to 95%.
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1111You put forward a well structured, coherent explanation of everything in this thread.
To be honest Eeejit normally does, I find his posts quite refreshing as he is honest about the way some of streamers function, explains the background to all of his arguments etc.
The problem is that you only need one under capitalised casino pulling all the usual tricks and the word spreads that they are all doing it. I am not going to comment on the roulette and dream catcher as to my mind they are eminently fixable as they are in-situ.
With the slots however, I cannot believe that an game provider, who only receives commission, and provides services to 100’s of casino’s is going to risk their licence to benefit a couple of streamers and influence customers. It must be just volume, If you are playing with free money you can play all day every day until you hit that win, most people run out of money first.
Of course that doesn’t mean casino’s aren’t nasty little weasels with the verification delays, bank payment issues etc etc, many of which are run for cashflow reasons and to promote withdrawal cancellations – this is a recognised practice.
