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  • #62894
    awesomex WANTED $136
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    thatfamousjimmy wrote:

    awesomex wrote:

    My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption

    About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.

    As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.

    Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.

    The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.

    Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.

    Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level: -Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea)
    -PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through)
    -Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
    -2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
    -Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
    -Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.

    Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.

    How the hell is the PSG vs Barca obvious corruption?? Are we really meant to believe that the whole team, squad, managers, background staff of both teams contrived to make the score 4-0 then 6-1??? And for them all to agree to it and not say anything?? Wtf!! I’ve agreed with some of the stuff you’ve said but some of your 100% obvious stuff really isn’t at all!

    Nobody loses a 4-0 lead in the champions league. It just doesn’t happen. If you actually believe that a team can dominate and win 4-0, and then lose 6-1 3 weeks after, you should think about this again.
    Have you seen the football leaks documents btw? You should have a look when you have time.

    #62895
    Haz40 WANTED $1,167
    Outlaw

    I agree with you on a hell of a lot on this thread but you asked a question so here’s the answer. Deportivo v a c milan. If i remember correctly a c thought they’d won the tie after an hour and practically played the last half hour as if it were a practice session. They went back to deportivo and lost 4 0. They could and should of won the first leg 5 or 6 nil. First leg was 3 0 maybe not 4 but they were completely in control in the tie.

    #62896
    Seedy WANTED $1,243
    Sheriff

    awesomex wrote:

    thatfamousjimmy wrote:

    awesomex wrote:

    My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption

    About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.

    As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.

    Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.

    The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.

    Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.

    Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level: -Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea) -PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through)
    -Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
    -2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
    -Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
    -Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.

    Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.

    How the hell is the PSG vs Barca obvious corruption?? Are we really meant to believe that the whole team, squad, managers, background staff of both teams contrived to make the score 4-0 then 6-1??? And for them all to agree to it and not say anything?? Wtf!! I’ve agreed with some of the stuff you’ve said but some of your 100% obvious stuff really isn’t at all!

    Nobody loses a 4-0 lead in the champions league. It just doesn’t happen. If you actually believe that a team can dominate and win 4-0, and then lose 6-1 3 weeks after, you should think about this again.
    Have you seen the football leaks documents btw? You should have a look when you have time.

    Milan lost there 3-0 lead in 45 minutes… against liverpool best night of my life.. ???

    #62897
    awesomex WANTED $136
    Outlaw

    Haz40 wrote:

    I agree with you on a hell of a lot on this thread but you asked a question so here’s the answer. Deportivo v a c milan. If i remember correctly a c thought they’d won the tie after an hour and practically played the last half hour as if it were a practice session. They went back to deportivo and lost 4 0. They could and should of won the first leg 5 or 6 nil. First leg was 3 0 maybe not 4 but they were completely in control in the tie.

    It was 4-1 to 4-0. Keep in mind, I’m not saying this match wasn’t also fixed. Wherever there’s a huge amount of money in sports, people will always try to rig it. It’s just so weird to me how people can believe that there’s no corruption.

    #62898
    awesomex WANTED $136
    Outlaw

    FIFA are supposed to stop the corruption. Meanwhile every FIFA president has to go due to being corrupt themselves. The highest governing body in football has been corrupt for decades, so it’s pretty damn naive to think only every single person on top is corrupt.

    #62899
    thatfamousjimmy WANTED $23
    Outlaw

    awesomex wrote:

    thatfamousjimmy wrote:

    awesomex wrote:

    My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption

    About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.

    As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.

    Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.

    The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.

    Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.

    Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level: -Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea) -PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through)
    -Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
    -2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
    -Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
    -Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.

    Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.

    How the hell is the PSG vs Barca obvious corruption?? Are we really meant to believe that the whole team, squad, managers, background staff of both teams contrived to make the score 4-0 then 6-1??? And for them all to agree to it and not say anything?? Wtf!! I’ve agreed with some of the stuff you’ve said but some of your 100% obvious stuff really isn’t at all!

    Nobody loses a 4-0 lead in the champions league. It just doesn’t happen. If you actually believe that a team can dominate and win 4-0, and then lose 6-1 3 weeks after, you should think about this again.
    Have you seen the football leaks documents btw? You should have a look when you have time.

    You crack me up dude! That is football mate. There’s been loads of shocks over the years, even in the Champions league… remember Liverpool down 3-0 at half time against Milan?? A certain Leicester city winning the league at 5000/1 makes me believe that ANYTHING can happen in football. Or was that obvious corruption too?!?

    But no I haven’t seen the football leaks documents. Got a link? Would be good to see some evidence of your crazy claims for once lol

    #62900
    Haz40 WANTED $1,167
    Outlaw

    awesomex wrote:

    Haz40 wrote:

    I agree with you on a hell of a lot on this thread but you asked a question so here’s the answer. Deportivo v a c milan. If i remember correctly a c thought they’d won the tie after an hour and practically played the last half hour as if it were a practice session. They went back to deportivo and lost 4 0. They could and should of won the first leg 5 or 6 nil. First leg was 3 0 maybe not 4 but they were completely in control in the tie.

    It was 4-1 to 4-0. Keep in mind, I’m not saying this match wasn’t also fixed. Wherever there’s a huge amount of money in sports, people will always try to rig it. It’s just so weird to me how people can believe that there’s no corruption.

    Oh ok i knew it was a comeback. Didn’t know exactly the scores. One thing i do remember though was a c passing it about round half way line as if it was game over. I also remember a Celtic v a c where the draw was 4/5 ?. Crazy really for a draw to be that price. A c won 1 0. I heavily backed them that day. Why was the draw so short. I wonder.

    #62901
    ImperialDragon WANTED $70
    Outlaw

    My conspiracy theory isn’t about online gambling, but rather – offline gambling.  Theresa May’s government announced last year that they were going to crack down on section B2 of the gambling act.  This is specifically roulette on the bookies terminals.  Some of you will know that the terminals also have slots (section B3).  The new law went live only this month, but ever since the announcement got made last year, the B3 slots suddenly started to play much worse.  I check the percentages screen and it’s still 90% on £1 play and £92 on £2 play (so no changes there), and yet it seems like something have changed from the bookies point of view and the 90% / 92% offerings is just a placebo effect.

    Have anyone else found this?  It’s now at the point that I’m probably going to blanket self-exclude myself from all bookies and just play my monthly £50 online on Video Slots and Royal Panda, as I’ve never had a problem with online gambling.

    #62902
    Green2711 WANTED $492
    Outlaw

    awesomex wrote:

    thatfamousjimmy wrote:

    awesomex wrote:

    My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption

    About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.

    As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.

    Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.

    The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.

    Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.

    Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level: -Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea) -PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through)
    -Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
    -2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
    -Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
    -Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.

    Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.

    How the hell is the PSG vs Barca obvious corruption?? Are we really meant to believe that the whole team, squad, managers, background staff of both teams contrived to make the score 4-0 then 6-1??? And for them all to agree to it and not say anything?? Wtf!! I’ve agreed with some of the stuff you’ve said but some of your 100% obvious stuff really isn’t at all!

    Nobody loses a 4-0 lead in the champions league. It just doesn’t happen. If you actually believe that a team can dominate and win 4-0, and then lose 6-1 3 weeks after, you should think about this again.
    Have you seen the football leaks documents btw? You should have a look when you have time.

    Christ If that’s all the evidence needed then it’s become clear to me now that Liverpool didn’t really win the CL in 2005, no team gets a 3-0 lead in a CL final only to go on and lose the match. It makes sense now because like you said there’s corruption in the Turkish league and it was held in Istanbul, we’ve cracked this one mate, shall I get on the phone to Fifa or do you want to do it? I’m afraid my tin foil hat might mess with my phones signal.

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    #62903
    awesomex WANTED $136
    Outlaw

    thatfamousjimmy wrote:

    awesomex wrote:

    thatfamousjimmy wrote:

    awesomex wrote:

    My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption

    About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.

    As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.

    Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.

    The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.

    Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.

    Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level: -Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea) -PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through) -Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
    -2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
    -Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
    -Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.

    Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.

    How the hell is the PSG vs Barca obvious corruption?? Are we really meant to believe that the whole team, squad, managers, background staff of both teams contrived to make the score 4-0 then 6-1??? And for them all to agree to it and not say anything?? Wtf!! I’ve agreed with some of the stuff you’ve said but some of your 100% obvious stuff really isn’t at all!

    Nobody loses a 4-0 lead in the champions league. It just doesn’t happen. If you actually believe that a team can dominate and win 4-0, and then lose 6-1 3 weeks after, you should think about this again.
    Have you seen the football leaks documents btw? You should have a look when you have time.

    You crack me up dude! That is football mate. There’s been loads of shocks over the years, even in the Champions league… remember Liverpool down 3-0 at half time against Milan?? A certain Leicester city winning the league at 5000/1 makes me believe that ANYTHING can happen in football. Or was that obvious corruption too?!?

    But no I haven’t seen the football leaks documents. Got a link? Would be good to see some evidence of your crazy claims for once lol

    Just google it. There are like 70 million documents.

    #62904
    Haz40 WANTED $1,167
    Outlaw

    ImperialDragon wrote:

    My conspiracy theory isn’t about online gambling, but rather – offline gambling.  Theresa May’s government announced last year that they were going to crack down on section B2 of the gambling act.  This is specifically roulette on the bookies terminals.  Some of you will know that the terminals also have slots (section B3).  The new law went live only this month, but ever since the announcement got made last year, the B3 slots suddenly started to play much worse.  I check the percentages screen and it’s still 90% on £1 play and £92 on £2 play (so no changes there), and yet it seems like something have changed from the bookies point of view and the 90% / 92% offerings is just a placebo effect.

    Have anyone else found this?  It’s now at the point that I’m probably going to blanket self-exclude myself from all bookies and just play my monthly £50 online on Video Slots and Royal Panda, as I’ve never had a problem with online gambling.

    It’s like i remember when they banned progressive pots then somehow they suddenly appeared again. How ?

    #62908
    awesomex WANTED $136
    Outlaw

    Green2711 wrote:

    awesomex wrote:

    thatfamousjimmy wrote:

    awesomex wrote:

    My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption

    About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.

    As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.

    Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.

    The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.

    Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.

    Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level: -Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea) -PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through) -Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
    -2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
    -Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
    -Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.

    Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.

    How the hell is the PSG vs Barca obvious corruption?? Are we really meant to believe that the whole team, squad, managers, background staff of both teams contrived to make the score 4-0 then 6-1??? And for them all to agree to it and not say anything?? Wtf!! I’ve agreed with some of the stuff you’ve said but some of your 100% obvious stuff really isn’t at all!

    Nobody loses a 4-0 lead in the champions league. It just doesn’t happen. If you actually believe that a team can dominate and win 4-0, and then lose 6-1 3 weeks after, you should think about this again.
    Have you seen the football leaks documents btw? You should have a look when you have time.

    Christ If that’s all the evidence needed then it’s become clear to me now that Liverpool didn’t really win the CL in 2005, no team gets a 3-0 lead in a CL final only to go on and lose the match. It makes sense now because like you said there’s corruption in the Turkish league and it was held in Istanbul, we’ve cracked this one mate, shall I get on the phone to Fifa or do you want to do it? I’m afraid my tin foil hat might mess with my phones signal.

    Think about it man. If there’s cold hard evidence that the previous and current leaders of the biggest authority in worldwide football are corrupt, do you really think there’s no corruption in the games?

    Here, lemme list some corruption cases for you:
    -Sam Allardyce was “forced to resign” as England manager.
    -Sepp Blatter was removed from the FIFA office.
    -CONCACAF President Jeffrey Webb arrested.
    – FIFA Executive Committee members Eduardo Li of the Costa Rican Football Federation and Eugenio Figueredo, formerly of the Uruguayan Football Association was arrested
    -CONMEBOL President Nicolás Leoz was arrested
    -former CONMEBOL President Nicolás Leoz was arrested
    -former CONCACAF president Jack Warner’s son Daryll
    -Jack Warner and marketing executive Alejandro Burzaco.
    -Following Allardyce’s departure, The Daily Telegraph published further details of much wider-reaching corruption through English club football, claiming that eight Premier Leaguemanagers accepted “bungs” for player transfers.
    -Barnsley assistant manager Tommy Wright had taken a £5000 “bung” in order to arrange for the club to purchase part-owned players from a fictitious Far East firm.
    -Queens Park Rangers manager Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink had agreed to become an ambassador for a fictitious Far East sports company involved in third-party ownership of players in exchange for £55,000, subsequently also discussing potential tax avoidance involving his bank account in the Netherlands.
    -Leeds United chairman Massimo Cellino was shown on video agreeing to sell 20% of the club in order to work around third-party player ownership rules.

    I mean, I can go on and on. There’s so insanely much corruption in football, so believing games that have insanely perfect outcomes can’t be rigged is beyond stupid.

    #62912
    eejit101 WANTED $312
    Outlaw

    awesomex wrote:

    My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption

    About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.

    As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.

    Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.

    The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.

    Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.

    Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.

    Hate to argue this, but i have to as some of this is factually wrong.

    Blackjack – No blackjack game deals through the FULL deck of cards. There is always approx 30-60 cards left at the end. Every casino in the world uses this system, as otherwise players know what cards are left, also once the deck runs out if you are midway through a hand what then? This, im sorry, is just all kinds of wrong. 100% wrong.a

    Cancelling withdrawals – Yup. 100% accurate on some cases. Some times its legit, but sometimes its casinos messing with you. For big licenced casinos its usually the former but it can feel like its on purpose.

    Slots – Again, sorry, but 100% inaccurate. No streamer can play a different version of this game to someone else. Imagine your playing Halo on Xbox. But you have a version where your gun shoots twice as fast as everyone else. But you play online. And downloaded the game from xBox live. How easy do you think this would be? Its impossible. The game round is unable to be messed with. IF it could I would be a fucking millionaire within 5 minutes. And streamers would take the piss and be betting huge off stream on every casino possible. The casino is just a portal to the game, controlling the balance, payments and bonuses. The game itsself is seperate. You can hack your Xbox to play illegal movies, but you cant hack Forza to drive a spaceship.

    Live casino – The blackjack thing was rigged. But evolution isnt rigging monopoly. Have you seen the RTP on the numbers? Betting on 5 is 91% RTP. They dont need to rig it. This game paid out almost 2mil in a spin once, 2mil! And its still profitable. The dice roll is live feed, and i have seen it, the dice and changed hourly and checked by regulators on site and off, same as casinos. Its the same rules. But conspiracy theories will always maintain.

    As for the wheel it has to be motorised partly its heavy. But thats to assist in a spin, not to control the outcome.

    Evolution has no need to cheat. They make money on all games all the time. They are the most profitable company by far in gaming.

    #62923
    awesomex WANTED $136
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    eejit101 wrote:

    awesomex wrote:

    My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption

    About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.

    As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.

    Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.

    The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.

    Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.

    Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.

    Hate to argue this, but i have to as some of this is factually wrong.

    Blackjack – No blackjack game deals through the FULL deck of cards. There is always approx 30-60 cards left at the end. Every casino in the world uses this system, as otherwise players know what cards are left, also once the deck runs out if you are midway through a hand what then? This, im sorry, is just all kinds of wrong. 100% wrong.a

    Cancelling withdrawals – Yup. 100% accurate on some cases. Some times its legit, but sometimes its casinos messing with you. For big licenced casinos its usually the former but it can feel like its on purpose.

    Slots – Again, sorry, but 100% inaccurate. No streamer can play a different version of this game to someone else. Imagine your playing Halo on Xbox. But you have a version where your gun shoots twice as fast as everyone else. But you play online. And downloaded the game from xBox live. How easy do you think this would be? Its impossible. The game round is unable to be messed with. IF it could I would be a fucking millionaire within 5 minutes. And streamers would take the piss and be betting huge off stream on every casino possible. The casino is just a portal to the game, controlling the balance, payments and bonuses. The game itsself is seperate. You can hack your Xbox to play illegal movies, but you cant hack Forza to drive a spaceship.

    Live casino – The blackjack thing was rigged. But evolution isnt rigging monopoly. Have you seen the RTP on the numbers? Betting on 5 is 91% RTP. They dont need to rig it. This game paid out almost 2mil in a spin once, 2mil! And its still profitable. The dice roll is live feed, and i have seen it, the dice and changed hourly and checked by regulators on site and off, same as casinos. Its the same rules. But conspiracy theories will always maintain.

    As for the wheel it has to be motorised partly its heavy. But thats to assist in a spin, not to control the outcome.

    Evolution has no need to cheat. They make money on all games all the time. They are the most profitable company by far in gaming.

    There is no need to cheat for any gambling company, yet many do it. You just said they do with cancelling withdrawals, which there is no need to do. Yet they do it. If it’s possible to cheat, someone will cheat.

    You sound very reasonable Eejit, so please explain to me why billionaires cheat with a few million to get their way, when they can reach their goal anyway, while still making money off of it?

    #62925
    Mr B WANTED $395
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    Cancelling withdrawals – Yup. 100% accurate on some cases. Some times its legit, but sometimes its casinos messing with you. For big licenced casinos its usually the former but it can feel like its on purpose.

    How would you know that big casinos are usually the former ?

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