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[ImperialDragon WANTED $70 Outlaw]

A lot of the channels I watch are affy.  Some are gaming, some are DIY some are music.  They all have their own affiliations with the likes of Audible and Patreon.  Some are products in their own right so they advertise their own stuff.

The only different with gambling is that it’s an 18+ activity and I don’t have a problem with affy gambling channels.  If you are 18+ yourself and you have mental capacity, then by clicking on these gambling videos means that you have consented to watch that video.  You need to take ownership on the fact that you are watching gambling videos.

To the butthurt / offended – stop being such a victim!

[ba babyface WANTED $36 Outlaw]

ImperialDragon wrote:

What about other adult content?

E.g. Top 10 death scenes compilation from horror films.

Sex scenes from films like the Xenia Onatopp kill from GoldenEye.

Music videos with swearing in them.

Videos containing joy-riding and road rage.

References to drugs.

People making dry ice bombs.

Clips from South Park and Family Guy.

Should all of these be banned too?  I think that we are pandering too much to the terminally offended.  People should choose what to watch on TV and on the internet.  Outlets should be allowed to keep their 15+ and 18+ content online without being persecuted by the PC police.  If you’ve watched something that has scared or offended you, then at the end of the day, it was you who searched for it and clicked on the results.

 

Firstly as I have said before I am not a fan of affiliation, but understand why bandit does need it to fund his videos, and he does give a lot back, was very impressed with his defibrillator gesture!

I do have to chuckle at You Tubes 18+ rules – sign in to confirm you are over 18 – I wish my wife was that trusting 🙂

it is mildly amusing that people can hate on you tube for broadcasting gambling, racist or any other such like issues whilst ignoring the fact that there are terabytes of hard core porn on the internet with no access restrictions at all

Don’t ask me for links 🙂

[benq99 WANTED $229 Outlaw]

nickslots is the biggest cunt of them all.bullshitter and needs a proper job

[Ec Echo9970 WANTED $11 Outlaw]

babyface wrote:

ImperialDragon wrote:

What about other adult content?

E.g. Top 10 death scenes compilation from horror films.

Sex scenes from films like the Xenia Onatopp kill from GoldenEye.

Music videos with swearing in them.

Videos containing joy-riding and road rage.

References to drugs.

People making dry ice bombs.

Clips from South Park and Family Guy.

Should all of these be banned too?  I think that we are pandering too much to the terminally offended.  People should choose what to watch on TV and on the internet.  Outlets should be allowed to keep their 15+ and 18+ content online without being persecuted by the PC police.  If you’ve watched something that has scared or offended you, then at the end of the day, it was you who searched for it and clicked on the results.

 

Firstly as I have said before I am not a fan of affiliation, but understand why bandit does need it to fund his videos, and he does give a lot back, was very impressed with his defibrillator gesture!

I do have to chuckle at You Tubes 18+ rules – sign in to confirm you are over 18 – I wish my wife was that trusting

it is mildly amusing that people can hate on you tube for broadcasting gambling, racist or any other such like issues whilst ignoring the fact that there are terabytes of hard core porn on the internet with no access restrictions at all

Don’t ask me for links

Yes the Bandit has very kindly bought our community first responder a new Defibrillator so we can have more responders on call covering a larger area.. What he has done for us and those people that we go out too on a 999 call, it will help save life’s and give that person the best chance. And we all do this job voluntary, I have put in 1000 of hours over the years, and I am forever grateful to Steven for his amazing generosity. There are not many people out there like him.

[fat boy steve WANTED $5 Outlaw]

i will miss his cat and loud farts ffs as its Monday i went to look for him and shock horror hes been given the bullet yes i did find him funny

 

[ca casinoang WANTED $7 Outlaw]

I’m surprised he’s not joined on here and commented, mind you he’s probably off treating his wife to some fairy platinum  washing up liquid like he did when he had a big win once. Lol

 

[ba babyface WANTED $36 Outlaw]

casinoang wrote:

I’m surprised he’s not joined on here and commented, mind you he’s probably off treating his wife to some fairy platinum  washing up liquid like he did when he had a big win once. Lol

 

I think he is banned from the local supermarket for complaining that the 3 for 2 offers didn’t come in enough and it was rigged 🙂

[Ec Echo9970 WANTED $11 Outlaw]

babyface wrote:

Have to chuckle at the “slated casumo badly” – that guy took it personal if he didn’t get a bonus within his first 5 spins.    If he didn’t get one in the first 10 spins he would start screaming that the slots were fixed and the whole world was in league against him.   And heaven help you if he actually got the bonus and it didn’t pay 4 figures

The only entertainment he seemed to get out of the slots was screaming at his cat if it entered the room while he was playing.

You tube may have done him a favour – he can go do something that he gets fun out of

I could not stand the guy, talk about moaning and the swearing was going on forever. His disgusting farts he could have cut them out, I should this his blood pressure is though the roof, and his smoking and lighting one up every few minutes . And I bet his other half had no clue what he did when she was not around? Because everytime she came into the room were he was, he went all very quiet and did not say boo when she was there. He was a very angry man.

[The Bandit WANTED $5,390 El Bandito]

Soxdog7 wrote:

Fao bandit. Your arrogance first of all and lack of empathy is staggering as usual.

And I’m watching as I’m some sort of fanboy not at all. I hate affiliation in every medium regarding gambling. I however like slots.

Before the affy lot came along there where many decent not affy channels out that where never targeting for a ban.

this is here as gambling affiliation is morally wrong no matter what side of the fence your on. As stated Apple are indeed restricting gambling apps… is that a few affy haters bringing Apple to its knees also?.. lol don’t think so.

Was always a limited shelf life as nobody can morally justify how a affy earns there cash via casinos.

Look at chipmonkz for example. His followers, 18k is it, yet lucky to get 200 viewers per stream?… no it’s the fact he plays video games also on the same channel. To think for a second he hasn’t done that purposely for sign ups is a joke. Also has his daughter plug a totally seperate casino after he busts?.. how on Earth is that moral and normal?.. it’s the likes of him who ruined it for the rest.

ive no issue with you, no matter what your over inflated ego states. I watch slots, I been playing 15 years. Im entitled to a opinion whether you like it or not.

Just looks to me with all the dross you are chatting around the place that you want a ban, carry on mate as i don’t give a fuck about your opinion.

 

As soon as you start abusing others, and you will as that is clearly your sort of thing, you will be gone. You only get one warning in relation to abusing others.

[Jayjay230 WANTED $32 Outlaw]

He’s on twitch now dunover and craigslots

[Jayjay230 WANTED $32 Outlaw]

Search dunover on twitch ur find him has 3 vids so far 🙂

[Ch Cheers-for-that WANTED $2 Outlaw]

So I’ve been lurking on here for a while without being registered and all the affiliation chat has made me register to throw my 2 pennies in. I think it all boils down to what side you fall on in the morality of making money from someone with a potential addiction, for me personally I feel like it would be foolish to believe that any affiliate isn’t aware that some (probably a small %) of their money is coming from problem gamblers. I don’t believe for a second that this makes an affiliate the devil incarnate, any addiction will have someone that benefits from it and for me that can be offset by a majority that view the bandit,Nick slots etc for what it is i.e entertainment. Problem gamblers or anyone with any addiction for that matter will find a way to feed that addiction. Gambling addiction isn’t new, it hasn’t only came about since affiliated videos started. I watch the bandit for entertainment and to get a look at slots I may wish to play and for me that is enough. I and probably many of you have no idea how much it will cost in deposits, time, effort to provide this entertainment and I don’t expect that to come at no cost to the consumer. That being said I do believe there to be a happy medium, personally I don’t think affiliates should run competitions involving any cash incentive on signing up, be that through bonuses or competition. For me affiliation should be solely based on the consumer wishing to support the streamer for the entertainment provided but this may be financially not viable and naive on my part. End of the day if you don’t like it don’t watch or sign up but an element of responsibility must lay with the affiliate in not enticing people into something that may have serious consequences. Standing by to be called a twat or a fanboy or whatever.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I can see both sides of the affiliation argument, personally. All streamers are doing it basically to crowdfund their own gambling habit, some like Dazza and Craig are just a bit more blatant and a bit less entertaining about it than others.

I don’t think casino affiliation is inherently evil, but equally I do see Steve you react very badly/defensively to people pointing out you make money off your viewers, or criticising the fact that part of your income relies on other people losing money. Now I do think a lot of the criticism leveled at streamers is simply rooted in jealousy – that those people have managed to fund their gambling in a way most of us can’t and as a result can play with much higher frequency, higher budgets, higher takes, bigger risks. Like most of us could not try and get to the top of the Reel King ladder, because by the time we hit £2k we simply couldn’t afford to risk the loss on a double or nothing. You can because you can afford to just stick another grand in if a session goes tits up. For the rest of us, once we’ve lost, we’ve lost. It’s understandable that some viewers who’ve signed up through your links and taken heavy losses because they lost self-control will at least partly blame you for it. It’s not justified to blame you for it, but on a human level it is understandable that it happens.

But equally, nothing you’re doing is wrong. No one’s forced to use your links, no one’s odds of winning are altered by whether they signed up with you or directly at the casino and you’re not required to justify yourself (and honestly, the best thing you can do when people rile you up with personal criticism is just not respond to it, don’t take the bait). You do make people aware of the dangers of gambling but I think you maybe also have to accept there is going to be an encouraging element when you make weekly videos of back-to-back bonuses sometimes at very high stakes and some people will be affected by it, will try to emulate you, plus there’s the direct enticement of the prize draws.

So yeah, bit of both, I don’t think it’s as simple as either affiliation is totally right or totally wrong, or the videos and competitions either affect everyone negatively or no one negatively. There are in-betweens.

[The Bandit WANTED $5,390 El Bandito]

I react badly to people that chat shit argyl, people who know no facts and just guess. I am perfectly fine with people having a negative opinion towards an affiliate but at least have it for a factual reason and not because you “think” that is how it works.

I also do not buy in to the fact that my prize draws are an enticement. They are a thank you to those that support me but every single one that i have ever done, ever, has a route to enter for free. Where is the enticement in that.

I also think i give an incredible amount back in freebies and donations, i am unlike ANY other affiliate streamer/video creator or whatever you would like to call us in that way, no one gives as much back to the community as i do.

As i have said, kind of until i am blue in the face, peoples losses are not a part of the huge majority of my casino deals. They count for 0% at Bet Victor, Betfair, Paddypower, Redbet and Energy. That is a huge chunk of my operating places. I have broken down the impact of peoples losses at Videoslots on what i earn several times and it is incredibly small. The huge majority of people playing through my links are of the opinion, if it is lost it is lost, they would rather i got a bit of it but the fact of the matter is, at most places, i simply do not get any of it. A point that is NEVER recognised by the people that tar every affiliate with the one brush.

Yes of course there is a percentage of gamblers watching that will be considered problem gamblers but if i wasn’t here, are you trying to say they wouldn’t be a problem gambler? I don’t mean you, personally, just the pitch forkers. Well yes, of course they would still be a problem gambler. There is also a very decent percentage of the viewers that watch to curb their own desires, to get their hit from watching me instead of spending their own money, this fact is conveniently never mentioned when the affiliate bashers are on one.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

They are a thank you to those that support me but every single one that i have ever done, ever, has a route to enter for free.

I never saw that mentioned when you were on YouTube; if you offer a free, non-signup route of entry, you’ve never exactly publicized it. And isn’t it a mandatory legal requirement to offer a free postal entry if you run a no-skill prize draw?

I do think prize draws advertising affiliate links are a direct enticement, struggle to understand an argument that they’re not, I mean it’s literally saying “sign up through my affiliate link, make a deposit, play some games and have a chance of winning a big cash prize”.

I also think i give an incredible amount back in freebies and donations, i am unlike ANY other affiliate streamer/video creator or whatever you would like to call us in that way, no one gives as much back to the community as i do.

The defibriliator is you being charitable, the GamBan licences are you being charitable and it’s genuinely good of you to do those things. The prize draws are a separate issue though. Is the amount you’ve given away more than you’ve collected in CPA commission? Of course not, it’s how you pay for the giveaways and you make money on top. Again – this is NOT a criticism from me, it’d be utterly absurd if you were losing money from your own pocket through doing the giveaways but it remains you wouldn’t get a fraction of the affiliate revenue you do if you weren’t running the prize draws. I have no moral objection whatsoever to affiliation and the prize draws helping to fund your videos but it is a business model like any other.

Yes of course there is a percentage of gamblers watching that will be considered problem gamblers but if i wasn’t here, are you trying to say they wouldn’t be a problem gambler?

Of course they still would be and that’s one point with the pitch-forkers as you say I definitely disagree with them on. But I guess what I’m saying is when people see someone move up from 50p stakes to £4 stakes and see how big their bonuses are, how much money they’re winning, for a problem gambler it will excite the senses and the dopamine in the same way playing at those stakes would and that might make it harder for them to stick to sensible stakes when they play. Is that your problem? No. But again, it is at the very least understandable that some people already in a pretty desperate will think they can try to copy what you do, but without the wallet to back it up. All I’m saying there is what I’ve said in another thread; I think you sometimes forget where you are in relation to the average gambler and what a massive stake per spin even £2-£4 is, let alone £10 and up. You can afford to deposit £3k in one session and risk losing – and fair play to you, it’s your money and you’re entitled to do what you want with it – but you can play that kind of money and yet stand by that you’re not a rich man, despite having an income that puts you firmly in the top 1% of the population.

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