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[Geezawin WANTED $270 Outlaw]

Eightblack wrote:

I suppose the bonus is the free spins which you do get, weather or not they’re all dead spins is a different matter

Don’t get me wrong I hate them but like argyl says while a 0 bonus is a cunt occasionally the same game will pay something stupid like a year’s wages

Cheers 8 see what u mean about the spins as the bonus. .but why even bother giving it in the 1st place .   I agree with mr b and the bandit  i can understand that all bonus’s  cant be great .  lol trust me i know this from experience . But for a game to give you a bonus and pay fk all is just not right. Sucks .

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Mr B wrote:

Well if it’s all on the player (ffs) then we want 200%rtp guaranteed per play session. [rollseyes]

This thread isn’t limited to high volatility when low volatility has already been exampled as just a shit at times. This thread also isn’t about me so ditch the personal aspect when other people including Bandit feel the same way as stated in post one.

The reality is when a slot regardless of volatility level takes a dickhead amount of money to then bonus – what a relief – and then pay  a few pennies or indeed nothing, that is utterly shite and there is no need for it. It is cruel.

Yes, I am here again saying something bad about the industry, in agreement with bandit. You come back with “it’s on the player”. No it isn’t. The player has no say on how a slot is going to perform which is obvious. And the “random” thing is not gonna wash either because we proved (even though this is ignored) that slots are profit over random, regardless of how random is implemented worse, this has absolutely nothing to do with random, it is to do with giving a player nothing for a thousand spins and then giving a bonus (repeating myself here to relentlessly drive home the point again) that then pays nothing.

Cruel. Randomly cruel ? Designed cruel ? who cares. It’s cruel.

You have a strange way of taking things very personally. I referenced you because it’s your thread and you’ve previously complained quite vocally about aspects of slots being pre determined. Well pre determined bonuses don’t pay zero, highly volatile random ones can.

Low volatility slots don’t (generally) take thousands of spins to bonus and then pay nothing. When I say it’s on the player I mean you have full control over what games you choose to play, what stake you play at and how many spins you give it. This means if you want a session based on low volatility slots with frequent bonuses, you are free to pick from the huge range of titles that fall in to that category. The downside to that choice is those games as much as they won’t pay zero are also very unlikely to pay monster 1000x plus hits. If you choose high volatility games, you might get a gigantic win, but the downside is you might not hit a bonus at all or find it pays somewhere between nothing and fuck all. Yes, as a player I’m sure you would like a game which paid guaranteed minimum 1000x bonuses every 5 spins but that’s why it called gambling and not “free money”.

And much to everyone’s relief, happy to add I’m not getting in to this random / RTP issue again, I’ve explained how it works in too many times to care any more.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Geezawin wrote:

Eightblack wrote:

I suppose the bonus is the free spins which you do get, weather or not they’re all dead spins is a different matter

Don’t get me wrong I hate them but like argyl says while a 0 bonus is a cunt occasionally the same game will pay something stupid like a year’s wages

Cheers 8 see what u mean about the spins as the bonus. .but why even bother giving it in the 1st place .   I agree with mr b and the bandit  i can understand that all bonus’s  cant be great .  lol trust me i know this from experience . But for a game to give you a bonus and pay fk all is just not right. Sucks .

It’s only not right if you see a bonus as an entitlement to a win. On some games, it simply isn’t, rather it is the chance to win with some aspect more favourable to the player, e.g. Bonanza’s increasing multiplier. The reason you can land the bonus and hit zero is because your bonus is literally just 12 free random spins with enhanced odds. Unfortunately enhanced odds are not a guarantee of anything.

[bi bishman WANTED $82 Outlaw]

The trouble is that we are all obsessed with landing bonuses.  ‘Normal’ wins don’t seem to matter anymore.  And it’s very disappointing when you spend ages chasing a bonus and then end up with sweet FA.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

argyl53 wrote:

(generally)

There. That word right there.

In the context you use it, like low volatility slots are more great than not. Low volatility slots can and do take the piss. Often. Sure, I concede that higher volatility slots kill more to make room for higher payouts but even that is a must in theory, not proven to us as players. We have no proof. We can be shown data sheets but they can be bs. No doubt I can predict another forum member to run in soon and fire unapologetic insults again because they work in the industry and we can’t have people speaking how they feel now can we (That’s not a question).

I don’t even know why the word random was bought into this since in the context of this whole thread, random is redundant because we are talking about an overall aspect not specific spins or sets of spins. We’re talking (See quote) generally about how cruel slots can be.

Right, let’s get Bandit to do a give away but not release what the prizes are.

Right. Argyl, out of 200 people, you came 5th and won £50.
Right, Geeza, out of the remaining people you can fourth and won a big mac meal.
Right, Where’s JB ? JB came 3rd and won a years supply of hobnobs.
Right, Eightblack, you came 2nd and won a decade long subscription to private eye.
And last of all, are you ready for this ? Mr B, you came first and won….. you won’t believe this :

FUCK ALL !!!!!

While some people might find that all funny, surely any normal person can see that is a cruel giveaway.

It’s not rocket science.

The industry designed the dishing out of “cruel”. I whole heartedly agree with bandit. SHOVE YOUR BONUS UP YOUR ARSE.

🙂

[Geezawin WANTED $270 Outlaw]

argyl53 wrote:

Geezawin wrote:

Eightblack wrote:

I suppose the bonus is the free spins which you do get, weather or not they’re all dead spins is a different matter

Don’t get me wrong I hate them but like argyl says while a 0 bonus is a cunt occasionally the same game will pay something stupid like a year’s wages

Cheers 8 see what u mean about the spins as the bonus. .but why even bother giving it in the 1st place .   I agree with mr b and the bandit  i can understand that all bonus’s  cant be great .  lol trust me i know this from experience . But for a game to give you a bonus and pay fk all is just not right. Sucks .

It’s only not right if you see a bonus as an entitlement to a win. On some games, it simply isn’t, rather it is the chance to win with some aspect more favourable to the player, e.g. Bonanza’s increasing multiplier. The reason you can land the bonus and hit zero is because your bonus is literally just 12 free random spins with enhanced odds. Unfortunately enhanced odds are not a guarantee of anything.

ffs argyl can you not see were trying to have a good moan here ..!

HAHA its still shite.  bad programming.  ur right bud i am old school and bonus to me means pay me u piece of shit

[Mi Mitros On Fire WANTED $40 Outlaw]

I can honestly say I’ve never gone 1000+ spins on anything without a bonus. That’s because I would never stay on anything for so long. How do you people not get bored? Generally 300 would be my max on anything.

 

With regards the zero bonus thing, sorry but if you’re playing a game you know can pay nothing once bonusing and then get annoyed when it does, well you’ve only got yourself to blame. Pinning your hopes on 1000x bonuses is very often going to end in disappointment.

[Geezawin WANTED $270 Outlaw]

Mr B wrote:

argyl53 wrote:

(generally)

There. That word right there.

In the context you use it, like low volatility slots are more great than not. Low volatility slots can and do take the piss. Often. Sure, I concede that higher volatility slots kill more to make room for higher payouts but even that is a must in theory, not proven to us as players. We have no proof. We can be shown data sheets but they can be bs. No doubt I can predict another forum member to run in soon and fire unapologetic insults again because they work in the industry and we can’t have people speaking how they feel now can we (That’s not a question).

I don’t even know why the word random was bought into this since in the context of this whole thread, random is redundant because we are talking about an overall aspect not specific spins or sets of spins. We’re talking (See quote) generally about how cruel slots can be.

Right, let’s get Bandit to do a give away but not release what the prizes are.

Right. Argyl, out of 200 people, you came 5th and won £50. Right, Geeza, out of the remaining people you can fourth and won a big mac meal.
Right, Where’s JB ? JB came 3rd and won a years supply of hobnobs.
Right, Eightblack, you came 2nd and won a decade long subscription to private eye.
And last of all, are you ready for this ? Mr B, you came first and won….. you won’t believe this :

FUCK ALL !!!!!

While some people might find that all funny, surely any normal person can see that is a cruel giveaway.

It’s not rocket science.

The industry designed the dishing out of “cruel”. I whole heartedly agree with bandit. SHOVE YOUR BONUS UP YOUR ARSE.

Thats a sore one mr b . Have my big mac bud. ?

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

The reason I don’t agree with referring to these zero bonuses as “cruel” is because the game hasn’t gone “haha, the win for this bet is zero but I’m going to display it to the player as a bonus feature which didn’t pay anything” – that’s my point, a zero bonus can only happen on games like Bonanza where it’s gone “The outcome of this bet is I’m going to trigger a bonus, which is 12 free random spins on enhanced odds.”

Sometimes you get unlucky and those spins don’t pay anything. As I said at the start, if you want a game with a bonus guarantee, play Rhino or Montezuma. You are in control, you can choose what you play and how far you go trying to get a bonus before you move on.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

Mitros On Fire wrote:

I can honestly say I’ve never gone 1000+ spins on anything without a bonus. That’s because I would never stay on anything for so long. How do you people not get bored? Generally 300 would be my max on anything.

 

With regards the zero bonus thing, sorry but if you’re playing a game you know can pay nothing once bonusing and then get annoyed when it does, well you’ve only got yourself to blame. Pinning your hopes on 1000x bonuses is very often going to end in disappointment.

1. Boredom is a thing hence why these things usually happen over multiple sessions. Although they don’t have to as can be seen by Bandit and others.

2. The pinning of hopes is natural for any decent win, an overall profit and or some fun time playing. At no point have I even suggested that the cruelty comes from having 3 spins at 20p on DHV and it not funding a mansion.

Geezawin, bonus ! 😀 lmao

Argyl, I can list copious amounts of slots that are not high volatility and pay zero on a bonus. Many if not all of them can empty the pockets of three people before paying a bonus too.

[Eightblack WANTED $446 Outlaw]

Tbh it is the nature of the beast

 

Like if you covered everything except number 13 on roulette and 13 comes in 3 times in a row, you’d be feeling robbed and feel that the casino is cruel but the man with a tenner on 13 and nothing else covered is laughing, same principle applies to slots while you may have a 0 bonus on book of dead someone else has had a full screen of explorers.. It really is swings and roundabouts.

Why not play monte, or rhino so you get the bonus guarantee? The only games that zero me are high volatility like pink elephants, napoleon, bonanza etc.. I’ve never been zerod on steam tower for example or most other low volatility netent games.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

The answer to this thread is so simple. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THEM DON’T PLAY THEM.

[Eightblack WANTED $446 Outlaw]

Haz40 wrote:

The answer to this thread is so simple. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THEM DON’T PLAY THEM.

lol Mr B doesn’t like gambling he just loves to moan and complain

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

Haz40 wrote:

The answer to this thread is so simple. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THEM DON’T PLAY THEM.

I disagree but as I can see where this is going, I’ll bow out….. again.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

Mr B wrote:

Haz40 wrote:

The answer to this thread is so simple. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THEM DON’T PLAY THEM.

I disagree but as I can see where this is going, I’ll bow out….. again.

Not with me mr b. You should know me better. Just saying if a game frustrates the hell out of you. Can do you on the gamble. Potentially zero bonus. Then stick to games that guarantee when bonus some sort of return. Games that can wind you up extra chill millionaire vikings unleashed and the games mentioned by eight black.

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