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[Th The devil WANTED $76 Outlaw]

I’ve had a full screen of explorers on book of ra on 50p stake for £2,500 quid and a bonus on the old dead or alive which hit a wild line on 90p stake for £1395 altogether but I’ve never hit anything like them for a long long time, I’ve also bought a bonus on extra chilli for £20 which went for £1720 so I’ve been pretty lucky in the past but yesterday for example I had a bonus on DOA2 chose the old saloon on 90p and it returned £3.50 which is horrendous

[Du Dune2000 WANTED $205 Blocked]

appleman91 wrote:

Stop being jealous its not a good luck

I think you have missed the point of the thread.   People are not jealous, in fact when a genuine non affiliate like Hypa hits it big we are all over the moon for him.  The issue being discussed is whether this is fixed.

So the way it could work is streamer gets unlimited funds to play the game from the casino, released at regular intervals to make it look kosher on the balance, they just stick it on auto play for 48 hours until they hit it big, they then post the video.   Quite a few of these are just one off clips and don’t appear in any regular streams.

Just a possible theory which could be, and probably is wrong – damn now I really am looking like a conspiracy theorist

[Ol Oldmoon WANTED $27 Outlaw]

It’s not jealousy,I’m lucky or unlucky whatever way you look at it to be able to play everyday between six and sometimes  eighteen hours a day.ive had big wins and big losses 38k down last year but it’s the nature of the beast if you gamble online slots.its not possible if you believe that slots are random to continually hit monster wins every time a new slot hits the market,and it is every time for certain streamers which is indisputable.casinos can’t change how a slot pays out but the fucking game provider can.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Dune2000 wrote:

Seriously, i understand that streamers play a lot more than other people, but I have played this slot, admittedly on freeplay in the background while doing other stuff for hours, just to see what the fuss is about.

And yet again Jimbo Casino hits a huge mega win, just following Nick Slots hitting a huge megawin on a new slot   I know, based on Eeejit’s posts, that they can’t be fixed, but where the fuck is all the money coming from to do the amount of spins that generate all these mega wins.  I’m not a conspiracy theorist but is it possible that the casino’s are giving them unlimited free funds (non cashable) to play on these slots until they actually get a  big win to post, to encourage online play?

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Was like about £10k off 90p stake wasn’t it, something ridiculous like that? In all the time I was playing slots online, the biggest win I ever hit on any game was 2500x and that happened once. I also hit 2000x twice and have had wins ranging from 1000-1500x maybe seven or eight times. That’s across dozens of different games, hundreds of features, millions of spins. Hell, I probably gave Bonanza alone around 2 million spins of real cash play and only hit 1000x once.

I don’t think the games are rigged for streamers, I’m sure everyone who recognises me on the forum knows I don’t buy in to those ideas. It may well be pure coincidence that both Nickslots and Jimbo hit massive wins, certainly I’ve seen other streamers including The Bandit who’ve played it and haven’t. Also some of the variance can be explained by new games getting that many more spins than titles which have been sitting on the shelf for a long time. That said, I do have a suspicion some providers will increase the RTP to over 100% when they first launch a game to hook players in, willing to take an initial overall loss to get people excited about playing then tone it back down to 95% or whatever after a month or two. Danger High Voltage when it first came out used to pay massive features right, left and centre to everyone. Not just streamers, loads of people would regularly hit 250, 500, 1000, even 5000x bonuses yet if you look at it now, average bonus is about 30x.

[Malkychamp WANTED $486 Outlaw]

argyl53 wrote:

Dune2000 wrote:

Seriously, i understand that streamers play a lot more than other people, but I have played this slot, admittedly on freeplay in the background while doing other stuff for hours, just to see what the fuss is about.

And yet again Jimbo Casino hits a huge mega win, just following Nick Slots hitting a huge megawin on a new slot   I know, based on Eeejit’s posts, that they can’t be fixed, but where the fuck is all the money coming from to do the amount of spins that generate all these mega wins.  I’m not a conspiracy theorist but is it possible that the casino’s are giving them unlimited free funds (non cashable) to play on these slots until they actually get a  big win to post, to encourage online play?

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Was like about £10k off 90p stake wasn’t it, something ridiculous like that? In all the time I was playing slots online, the biggest win I ever hit on any game was 2500x and that happened once. I also hit 2000x twice and have had wins ranging from 1000-1500x maybe seven or eight times. That’s across dozens of different games, hundreds of features, millions of spins. Hell, I probably gave Bonanza alone around 2 million spins of real cash play and only hit 1000x once.

I don’t think the games are rigged for streamers, I’m sure everyone who recognises me on the forum knows I don’t buy in to those ideas. It may well be pure coincidence that both Nickslots and Jimbo hit massive wins, certainly I’ve seen other streamers including The Bandit who’ve played it and haven’t. Also some of the variance can be explained by new games getting that many more spins than titles which have been sitting on the shelf for a long time. That said, I do have a suspicion some providers will increase the RTP to over 100% when they first launch a game to hook players in, willing to take an initial overall loss to get people excited about playing then tone it back down to 95% or whatever after a month or two. Danger High Voltage when it first came out used to pay massive features right, left and centre to everyone. Not just streamers, loads of people would regularly hit 250, 500, 1000, even 5000x bonuses yet if you look at it now, average bonus is about 30x.

Yeah i would agree with this, when the goonies first came out never had a key tease once always landed and seemed to give bonuses and random features all the time not so much these days. Also if someone has never had a big win themself they are prob less likely to believe that others get them so regularly. If I had never had any x1000+ wins i would be saying the same

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Malkychamp wrote:

Hundreds maybe even thousands of people probably hit these wins daily but most we would never even hear about. We only see the streamers as well they are streamers lol, if joe bloggs hits full screen wild we would never even hear about it. Not sure if this is a stat that can be checked/shared but the number of spins on a game, my guess for DoA2 would be in the millions

It can be checked!

The numbers i have for DOA2 were…

We have an account manager at NetEnt. We are one of her 25 accounts. We provide NetEnt games to 50 companies, each with multiple casinos. We were 12th biggest on release day with 240,000 spins.

So imagine that, we arent even close to top 5 and we had 240k spins. Now imagine NEtEnt has 6 Account Managers. Now imagine they also provide this game to places you dont need an account manager.

 

BTW – For the conspiracy nuts – NetEnt doesnt even provide a test environment where you can test games and call in whatever win you want. Blueprint does, i gave myself a rather beautiful, but impossible, 460,000x win for fun the other day on Primal. Sent it bandit and told him to joke on twitter it was his. He laughed and declined, didnt want to wind JB up i guess 🙂

 

So the wins are 100% real. But remember Jimbo is spinning offline. Streamers are mostly gambling addicts. They dont have huge houses, and as you can see from their real life stories, they all drive medium cars and live in medium houses. They gamble all the damn time. They gamble 8 hours a day, every damn day. We may think we play as much as them but we dont, nowhere near. And we stop after 1 or 2 bonuses, or 100-200 spins and give up. They smash a game for 8 hours non stop to try and hit these wins. They lose THOUSANDS off stream doing this crap.

Here is the game data….

GAME RETURN TO PLAYER (RTP)
Totala RTP: 96.8%
Base Game RTP: 68.6%
Free Spins RTP: 28.2%
HIT FREQUENCY
Hit frequency: 29.8%
Feature hit frequency, Freespins: 0.51% (1 in 195)
MAXIMUM PAYOUT
The Old Saloon Freespins: €3 000 / 6 000 coins – on a single bet line
The Old Saloon Freespins: €27 000 / 54 000 coins – max coinciding win
High Noon Saloon Freespins: €364 500 / 729 000 coins – on a single bet line
High Noon Saloon Freespins: €1 000 000 / 2 000 000 coins – max coinciding win
Main Game: €1 500 / 3 000 coins – on a single bet line
Main Game: €22 600 / 45 200 coins – max coinciding win

Random Number Generator (RNG)
The algorithm used for random number generation (RNG) is Fortuna, a cryptographically secure pseudorandom
number generator (PRNG) devised by Bruce Schneier and Niels Ferguson. For more information, see the document
Random Number Generation.
The Random Number Generator and its implementation has been tested and approved/certified for randomness
according to prevailing industry standards by an accredited, independent, 3rd party test facility.

As for how many wins like this DOA2 has paid out, tens of thousands so far. Just noone talks about it.

IVe had 18 bonuses and ive played it quite a bit. Had 4 wilds in a line for 250x. Thats it. They will have had hundreds of bonuses.

 

[Du Dune2000 WANTED $205 Blocked]

eejit101 wrote:

They lose THOUSANDS off stream doing this crap.

Surely not. Jimbo is a Chef and repeatedly tells us you don’t make that much money out of affiliation 🙂   And Craig Slot has on his broadcasts that he has input £13k and taken out £19K – oh that’s right he doesn’t count off stream losses when he advertises his figures.

Something smells fishy and its not contents of Baldricks apple crumble 🙂

 

[li ligarr WANTED $82 Outlaw]

They are real,ive had about 20(not alot)100x is max so far all other 30x or well below,but i now someone who has already had a win just under 10000x stake and hes not fake,these massive wins happen often,most like myself just lose all there money fast…hopefully my luck will come in oneday:).

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eejit101 wrote:

High Noon Saloon Freespins: €1 000 000 / 2 000 000 coins – max coinciding win

Don’t even want to know what delaying tactics some of the smaller casino’s would use if you hit that one.   They wouldn’t just want a copy of your passport, they would want DNA samples, and a signed affadavit from 27 high court judges and the second in line to the throne before you got your cash

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Dune2000 wrote:

eejit101 wrote:

High Noon Saloon Freespins: €1 000 000 / 2 000 000 coins – max coinciding win

Don’t even want to know what delaying tactics some of the smaller casino’s would use if you hit that one.   They wouldn’t just want a copy of your passport, they would want DNA samples, and a signed affadavit from 27 high court judges and the second in line to the throne before you got your cash

haha, thats why you see a lot of casinos capping the max bet to 3.60

[Wormweed WANTED $42 Outlaw]

It doesn’t matter if you are an affiliate or a normal person, the slot has the same chance of giving you a sick win regardless. It’s not possible to change it so that one person wins more than any others, and it would be very illegal if it was possible, which it isn’t.

I have seen a normal person win 30079x, and another one with almost 32000x.

Letsgiveitaspin has made a series of videos with NetEnt showing how DoA 2 was developed and certified. I would recommend watching those.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Wormweed wrote:

It doesn’t matter if you are an affiliate or a normal person, the slot has the same chance of giving you a sick win regardless. It’s not possible to change it so that one person wins more than any others, and it would be very illegal if it was possible, which it isn’t.

I have seen a normal person win 30079x, and another one with almost 32000x.

Letsgiveitaspin has made a series of videos with NetEnt showing how DoA 2 was developed and certified. I would recommend watching those.

 

well… 99% true.

Someone once tried to leave a cheat code in so people can trigger bonuses by clicking in a certain place. But it was found upon integration by the casino and they got the company shut down 🙂

[sp springbrucesteen WANTED $77 Outlaw]

I don’t think the game providers are tweaking things for certain streamers or they would have tweaked that pile of shit holy diver to throw some £10,000 wins in and get everybody playing it , as it is it has basically bombed , haven’t seen anybody playing it

think it’s just down to hitting that button at the right time , remember loading primal on sky Vegas and it was laggy as fuck so after about two spins I gave up , switched to Betfair , loaded primal and in rolled £3,600

[da danihicks WANTED $1 Outlaw]

Given the amount of money involved, you really think that these streamers aren’t in someway connected to the companies they are affiliated to? Evens if they only receive a share of the loses, its still a false vision of gambling and Bandit and the others are still making money off the backs of their ‘fans’ loses. Otherwise the system would not work.

I like Bandit’s videos appreciate they are paid for by those who watch him.

[Ol Oldmoon WANTED $27 Outlaw]

I smashed bonanza for 18 hours straight last week,then for the rest of the week I eased back to just 6 to 8 hours a day.lol.on a more serious note eejit is it possible for a game provider to send a big win to a player.not a random joe someone in the uhhum “industry”on either real play or test play?

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