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[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

I actually have to say I don’t remember reading a post on here about anyone taking out a payday loan to gamble with. Real whiskers owed to a payday company which was myjar but he didn’t say he used it for gambling. I honestly can’t think of any other posts.

[St Stevie25 WANTED $254 Outlaw]

Haz40 wrote:

I actually have to say I don’t remember reading a post on here about anyone taking out a payday loan to gamble with. Real whiskers owed to a payday company which was myjar but he didn’t say he used it for gambling. I honestly can’t think of any other posts.

Me either Haz… ????

[Malkychamp WANTED $486 Outlaw]

Stevie25 wrote:

Geezawin wrote:

sounds to me like the casino is in the wrong go for it . they should not have let u gamble if the boot was on the other foot and u breached 1 of their millions of  rules and tried to cash out a hefty wedge all u would get is a kick up the arse. good luck mate.

Exactly…….

How are they in the wrong though? He states that they have now joined with gamstop today. So therefore they are clearing out account with users on gamstop. Yes by all means try and get some money back but don’t kid yourself that its not your own fault is all am saying

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

If they haven’t done anything wrong then there is clearly no chance of any refund. Rightly or wrongly if and that’s a big if they have not played by the rules they should be accountable for their actions. Either to the players or the relevant authorities. 888 were fined millions as you know for letting players deposit after self exclusion. Whether I think the customer should be refunded is another matter. Your right in a way as he’s on gamstop for clearly a very good reason but for me it’s us against them. If there was away to get something back me personally I would try. Even though knowing full well it’s my own fault. Maybe not online but I’ve been done countless times where a machine has gone off and all anyone says is malfunction voids all pays. To me that’s bollox. So if it’s underhand tactics I would always try.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

Dune2000 wrote:

Daz72 wrote:

I think it’s really strange that they asked me to verify my account again and clear all my details and then allowed me to continue depositing without any issues. If they have breached the rules am i entitled to claim back any losses that have occurred between verification and the current date?.

At this risk of being ironic, would you be contacting them to offer them back any money you had won if you had been successful.

This is why live chat is so offhand with people who contact them.   I have frequently seen posts which state that the system glitched before I could put my bet on so can I have my money as my number came in.  I have never seen anyone complain that the system glitched but their number didn’t come in so would the casino please take some money out of my account.

You knew you had a gambling problem that’s why you signed up to Gamstop, you still went ahead with a casino who would let you and now its their fault for letting you so you want your money back?

Personal responsibility is something which too often doesn’t seem apply, we are all responsible for our own actions and the line that the nasty casino’s let me gamble when I didn’t want is getting very old

 

That last part. It really is like that old perv trying to kidnap a child with a sweet. Sure, you shouldn’t let your kids out of harms reach but it happens. It’s not entirely the parents fault. The same as it’s not entirely the gamblers fault for being tempted by the one holding the house edge, part of making trillions every year. It doesn’t matter how old the truth is nor does it matter who it offends, bothers or upsets, tires out or depresses…… it would still be true. The game has gotten dark in recent years and the government need to look like they care for votes.

[Daz72 WANTED $2 Outlaw]

I think you have not understood,  I don’t mind the loss and didn’t join Gamban because i have gone over any budget i set myself.  What i do mind is not having an opportunity to win any losses i may have back , especially as this Casino in my opinion has been in breach of a licence i was unaware they held. Once again to be clear i have had this account 2 years and in those 2 years i was a total of £1,350 down which most people who gamble would think that as pretty standard.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

Daz72 wrote:

I think you have not understood,  I don’t mind the loss and didn’t join Gamban because i have gone over any budget i set myself.  What i do mind is not having an opportunity to win any losses i may have back , especially as this Casino in my opinion has been in breach of a licence i was unaware they held. Once again to be clear i have had this account 2 years and in those 2 years i was a total of £1,350 down which most people who gamble would think that as pretty standard.

If all you wanted was a chance to win your money back you never know mate it might be a blessing. Yes you could of won it back but how would you have a felt if you lost another £1350 chasing the first £1350 you lost or even more besides.

[Du Dune2000 WANTED $205 Blocked]

Stevie25 wrote:

Dune2000 wrote:

Haz40 wrote:

If there is even a remote chance of getting your deposits back I’d say go for it. You have nothing to lose. Who cares where you were irresponsible or if you had won. Fact is that’s in the past. If they are in the wrong as blacko has said he enquired successfully so it’s worth pursuing.

Have to disagree here, and this is indicative of why you should rarely trust a gambler.  i have seen endless stories on here of individuals who took out Payday Loans to gamble, lost and then blamed the nasty people for lending them money they cant afford.   Then we have the gamblers who have lost and complain that they shouldn’t have been allowed to gamble so they want their money back.   I come from an earlier era where if you borrow money you pay it back, and if you gamble and lose then you accept that fact with equinamity.    I personally hope he is unsuccessful, and that’s not aimed at him personally, merely based on my view that he knew what he was doing when he deposited.  Its a gambling site, not a daddy day care centre where someone is required to watch over you to make sure you don’t do something you shouldn’t.

What? Are you saying that Payday Loan companies are not scum of the earth and they should not all die in a greese fire? Because (I have never had a payday loan personally) I believe these unscrupulous lenders should all be held accountable and receive jail time. But hey you keep sticking up for the 0.1% in this world buddy.

Woah, hang on I’m not sticking up for the PayDay Loan companies, I completely agree you with that they are scum of the earth, I also am not sticking up for the Casino’s.    What I am advocating is personal responsibility, as no one sticks a gun to your head and says borrow this money or I will shoot  you, or gamble on this site or your family pet gets it.   I am merely stating that if you borrow the money, or make the gamble, you actually take the pain like a grown up and don’t try to avoid the consequences of your actions by crying and saying that “bad men MADE me do it”

If your next door neighbour comes to you and says lend me a grand as I need my car fixing, and then later states that he’s not going to give you the money back as you should have known that he couldn’t afford it, whose fault was it, his for borrowing the money, or yours for lending it to him when you knew there was the possibility he wouldn’t pay it back 🙂

[St Stevie25 WANTED $254 Outlaw]

Dune2000 wrote:

Stevie25 wrote:

Dune2000 wrote:

Haz40 wrote:

If there is even a remote chance of getting your deposits back I’d say go for it. You have nothing to lose. Who cares where you were irresponsible or if you had won. Fact is that’s in the past. If they are in the wrong as blacko has said he enquired successfully so it’s worth pursuing.

Have to disagree here, and this is indicative of why you should rarely trust a gambler.  i have seen endless stories on here of individuals who took out Payday Loans to gamble, lost and then blamed the nasty people for lending them money they cant afford.   Then we have the gamblers who have lost and complain that they shouldn’t have been allowed to gamble so they want their money back.   I come from an earlier era where if you borrow money you pay it back, and if you gamble and lose then you accept that fact with equinamity.    I personally hope he is unsuccessful, and that’s not aimed at him personally, merely based on my view that he knew what he was doing when he deposited.  Its a gambling site, not a daddy day care centre where someone is required to watch over you to make sure you don’t do something you shouldn’t.

What? Are you saying that Payday Loan companies are not scum of the earth and they should not all die in a greese fire? Because (I have never had a payday loan personally) I believe these unscrupulous lenders should all be held accountable and receive jail time. But hey you keep sticking up for the 0.1% in this world buddy.

Woah, hang on I’m not sticking up for the PayDay Loan companies, I completely agree you with that they are scum of the earth, I also am not sticking up for the Casino’s.    What I am advocating is personal responsibility, as no one sticks a gun to your head and says borrow this money or I will shoot  you, or gamble on this site or your family pet gets it.   I am merely stating that if you borrow the money, or make the gamble, you actually take the pain like a grown up and don’t try to avoid the consequences of your actions by crying and saying that “bad men MADE me do it”

If your next door neighbour comes to you and says lend me a grand as I need my car fixing, and then later states that he’s not going to give you the money back as you should have known that he couldn’t afford it, whose fault was it, his for borrowing the money, or yours for lending it to him when you knew there was the possibility he wouldn’t pay it back

Cool… You said that People go to payday loan companies for money then complain once they lose it… Which in my book is fair enough, because 1 is pulling a fast 1 and so is the other… Let the courts decide after that, and the courts decided to back up the Person/individual Not the Company for once…. So I construed your meaning as sticking up for obvious illegal activities.

When people take obvious illegal business dealing for a ride that’s on the company for lending out there money as a fucking business… On the other hand doing your neighbour a favour to help him obviously Feed himself and family if he has some and get to work etc, giving him an ability to earn money then that’s not a business decision nor is it Illegal… So yeah the neighbour deserves all the hurt coming to him for not requesting more time or a payment plan and should expect some hurt in return… Do you see the difference here? Me thinks not.

Where’s the personal responsibility for this neighbour?

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

Don’t think the neighbour will charge 1278% apr either ??

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

Or should i say you wouldn’t charge the neighbour the ridiculously high interest. Remind me next time to read the full post carefully. ?

[Du Dune2000 WANTED $205 Blocked]

Nah I see all the points here and as I say I am not sticking up for any payday companies or casino’s.  Hell they can certainly avoid the losses.

But I reiterate my view – if you gamble and lose don’t run crying shouting and people shouldn’t have allowed you to do it.    As someone once sald, if you are old enough to vote  and old enough to go to war, you are old enough to make your own decisions and take responsibility for them

The casino didn’t refuse to pay out, they didn’t claim he had breached terms and conditions they just let him play after he had personally signed up with them, having blocked himself on all other sites because he through they weren’t on gamban.

Bottom line is that he appears to have deliberately searched for a casino that would let him play, and then when they did, he claims that they shouldn’t have allowed him to so he wants his money back, if he had won would he have declined the winnings.

Surely we can all see the irony in this.

Anyway, I think we have exhausted this one and will have to amicably agree to disagree

 

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

Agreed. Nice to see a debate that’s amicable as well and not get too heated.

[Geezawin WANTED $270 Outlaw]

Haz40 wrote:

Agreed. Nice to see a debate that’s amicable as well and not get too heated.

Ha Ha me thinks a certain some one will have a few holes in their walls by now .

[Geezawin WANTED $270 Outlaw]

Dune2000 wrote:

Nah I see all the points here and as I say I am not sticking up for any payday companies or casino’s.  Hell they can certainly avoid the losses.

But I reiterate my view – if you gamble and lose don’t run crying shouting and people shouldn’t have allowed you to do it.    As someone once sald, if you are old enough to vote  and old enough to go to war, you are old enough to make your own decisions and take responsibility for them

The casino didn’t refuse to pay out, they didn’t claim he had breached terms and conditions they just let him play after he had personally signed up with them, having blocked himself on all other sites because he through they weren’t on gamban.

Bottom line is that he appears to have deliberately searched for a casino that would let him play, and then when they did, he claims that they shouldn’t have allowed him to so he wants his money back, if he had won would he have declined the winnings.

Surely we can all see the irony in this.

Anyway, I think we have exhausted this one and will have to amicably agree to disagree

 

Ha ha dont think u should b allowed to wriggle out of it that easy mate .the poster didnt say anything about cashing out, what i think he was trying to say was the casino made him re verify in january with prior knowledge of their joining gamstop . think it was the uncertainty of  not knowing what this casino could have done if he did have a cash out . casinos use all sorts of dirty  tricks to stop paying / delaying tactics to punters so as they end up losing . and this could have been another one . i agree with u that we should accept losses as gamblers but only if its done fairly  and squarely.

Oh and by the way in the short time ive been on this site of untrustworthy gamblers i would just like to say , altho not knowing any of them personally there is quite a few who i would gladly  put my life in their hands if i had to . Honest gamblers r not rare in this site mate . all the best bud .

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