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Hi Phil,

Thanks for taking the time to answers these questions they are very insightful.

In a earlier comment you mentioned that you have the ability to check games potential via dev tools. Do you also have the ability to check theoretical odds on potential where providers don’t list it in there info/rules?

I ask this because prag’s Sweet Bonanza has a advertised max win over 21,100x yet there is no proof anyone has ever gotten anywhere close to it.

The site i play it has option for side bets on Sweet Bonanza and they will pay out 192391/1 (inc house edge of course) on a win over 1000x, but no option for higher so cant make a rough guess myself. I wondered what are the odds of actually landing over 20,000x and is it even possible?

 

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eejit101 wrote:

<p>SlotsBlogger wrote:</p>

<p>Hey Phil</p><p>Hopefully not too off topic. I have a slot bonus that won’t complete. It is Kingmaker from BTG, the bonus round just errors on the last spin. I’ve reported several times the issue to the casino’s technical department and I just get the rhetoric ‘Clear your cache and cookies’. That’s always my first port of call. My question is, could I go direct to the game provider to get the issue cleared?</p><p>Cheers!</p>

<p> </p><p>Ooh fun. The clear cache thing does fix a huge amount of issues sadly. So thats why it’s suggested.</p><p> </p><p>Can you finish the round on another computer or device? That worked for me once.</p><p>You can ask the casino to make a ticket for the provider and give you that info. Then contact BTG on twitter or FB or Skype?</p><p>If its been over a week I’d be doing that for sure.</p><p> </p><p>Great question though. This is very uncommon for an issue and CS aren’t anything to do with the games. Neither the casino. They rely on guesswork and then the provider to solve it.</p>

Technically it DOES make a difference. Each spin is fetched separately. By playing turbo mode you will potentially end up with vastly different spins , because multiple players are playing simultaneously. Some sites even tell you “6251 players currently playing this game” so yeah the result will be different.

I’ve had this with say Bonanza which kept teasing for a feature. Then suddenly it stops. Someone else likely got it..

[Ap AppleSux WANTED $6 Outlaw]

Seems I replied to the wrong thread above.. it’s this horrible forum software! Quote reply is at the top not the bottom where 98.3675% of other sites have it!

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About Kingmaker not completing its bonus, like @eejit101 said, you can try a different computer/device.  You can also try the same device but a different browser.  Firefox is my main browser but I’ve had it twice where Invaders Megaways displays the final win amount then is stuck on that screen and it can’t be clicked off or refreshed.  Google Chrome had the same issue, but the Brave browser resolved the issue for me both times.

[Ap AppleSux WANTED $6 Outlaw]

Hhi

[Ap AppleSux WANTED $6 Outlaw]

Hi Phil, not so much a question more a statement. In the above screenshot in Millionaire I was playing 80c a spin, 400 down! and finally get a feature. I gambled it from 8-10-12-14-16-18-20-25 spins. It gave me an 8c win on the 2bd spin followed by 18 dead spins then another 64c and 4 more dead spins. So I didn’t even get 1x !!! HOW THE F*** IS THAT LEGAL? I Mean it could have chosen to kill me on any of the 7 gambles I won but didn’t. Just fcked up programming or something more suspicious?

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Granty112 wrote:

How is bandit playing at this casino using a vpn from the UK surley casino knows he’s from UK if so can I do it

As its a crypto casino they dont need to get the same type of KYC and proof of a player as one using their bank. So they “turn a blind eye” to where the player is from 🙂

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Spin_em_in wrote:

Hi Phil,

Thanks for taking the time to answers these questions they are very insightful.

In a earlier comment you mentioned that you have the ability to check games potential via dev tools. Do you also have the ability to check theoretical odds on potential where providers don’t list it in there info/rules?

I ask this because prag’s Sweet Bonanza has a advertised max win over 21,100x yet there is no proof anyone has ever gotten anywhere close to it.

The site i play it has option for side bets on Sweet Bonanza and they will pay out 192391/1 (inc house edge of course) on a win over 1000x, but no option for higher so cant make a rough guess myself. I wondered what are the odds of actually landing over 20,000x and is it even possible?

 

The max wins are simulated but then capped at a certain amount. That win is certainly possible i would say, but would be a 1 in 5billion chance of occuring. So wildly unlikely you will “see it” somewhere or have it yourself. 99%+ of people gambling dont share their wins so its not likely youll ever see it.

 

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

AppleSux wrote:

eejit101 wrote:

<p>SlotsBlogger wrote:</p>

<p>Hey Phil</p><p>Hopefully not too off topic. I have a slot bonus that won’t complete. It is Kingmaker from BTG, the bonus round just errors on the last spin. I’ve reported several times the issue to the casino’s technical department and I just get the rhetoric ‘Clear your cache and cookies’. That’s always my first port of call. My question is, could I go direct to the game provider to get the issue cleared?</p><p>Cheers!</p>

<p> </p><p>Ooh fun. The clear cache thing does fix a huge amount of issues sadly. So thats why it’s suggested.</p><p> </p><p>Can you finish the round on another computer or device? That worked for me once.</p><p>You can ask the casino to make a ticket for the provider and give you that info. Then contact BTG on twitter or FB or Skype?</p><p>If its been over a week I’d be doing that for sure.</p><p> </p><p>Great question though. This is very uncommon for an issue and CS aren’t anything to do with the games. Neither the casino. They rely on guesswork and then the provider to solve it.</p>

Technically it DOES make a difference. Each spin is fetched separately. By playing turbo mode you will potentially end up with vastly different spins , because multiple players are playing simultaneously. Some sites even tell you “6251 players currently playing this game” so yeah the result will be different.

I’ve had this with say Bonanza which kept teasing for a feature. Then suddenly it stops. Someone else likely got it..

Thats not how it works. The amount of people playing doesnt make a difference. Each spin has a random chance of giving any win possible from its wide possibilities. The teases etc are just random. Turbo mode makes no difference other than your getting faster responses from the server

 

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AppleSux wrote:

Hi Phil, not so much a question more a statement. In the above screenshot in Millionaire I was playing 80c a spin, 400 down! and finally get a feature. I gambled it from 8-10-12-14-16-18-20-25 spins. It gave me an 8c win on the 2bd spin followed by 18 dead spins then another 64c and 4 more dead spins. So I didn’t even get 1x !!! HOW THE F*** IS THAT LEGAL? I Mean it could have chosen to kill me on any of the 7 gambles I won but didn’t. Just fcked up programming or something more suspicious?

Trust me.. its not suspicious. Each result of the bonus round is programmed from millions of results. A few of them will be very low returns. 72c is super low and hardly ever happens on 25 spins but it will be an option. You just got unlucky. Its legal as its what it has to do within RTP to be at the right level. If that bonus landed a win every spin for most bonuses then the RTP of the game would be 1000%+. Its just random chance sadly.

 

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Hi Phil

So is it possible that had applesux not gambled the bonus, and taken fewer spins, the end result could have been better?

I always thought a bonus gamble “win” would always be worth more?

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Ant 75 wrote:

Hi Phil

So is it possible that had applesux not gambled the bonus, and taken fewer spins, the end result could have been better?

I always thought a bonus gamble “win” would always be worth more?

Yeah I thought the same. I  know on extra chilli bonus for example (having bought about a thousand of them!) collecting 8 spins will 90% of the time result in a loss and I reckon the max 24 spins will 90% of the time result in a profit.

Millionaire I thought us a similar game because I have never profit once collecting 8 spins but the gamble to 10 often results in a lose. ( I lost twice last week with phone a friend 91% A!!) so assumed that , that is where a good chunk of the RTP goes towards the bigger wins.

[Ap AppleSux WANTED $6 Outlaw]

Phil, on my earlier question you said that regardless of stake, if u had say bought a feature on 20p at 10:33:33.0125 pm , had I instead bought it at £5 on the exact same millisecond I would have got the same feature.

However I can’t see how this fits in with the RTP. LET’S take  my say £200 win (2000x) only results in a small dent to the machine overall RTP. but following your response, that same win at £5 would have been £5000. So it would affect the RTP more ?? and if instead they played £100 spins it would have been 100k.

Where this could benefit the likes of me im thinking is when I watch says Xposed or Trainwrecks spunking 500k on Wanted Dead or Alive, could I get some if that RTP on lower stakes?

 

 

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Ant 75 wrote:

Hi Phil

So is it possible that had applesux not gambled the bonus, and taken fewer spins, the end result could have been better?

I always thought a bonus gamble “win” would always be worth more?

Correct. The average will be more but max wins are possible on the base entry stakes also. Its just random chance.

 

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

AppleSux wrote:

Phil, on my earlier question you said that regardless of stake, if u had say bought a feature on 20p at 10:33:33.0125 pm , had I instead bought it at £5 on the exact same millisecond I would have got the same feature.

However I can’t see how this fits in with the RTP. LET’S take  my say £200 win (2000x) only results in a small dent to the machine overall RTP. but following your response, that same win at £5 would have been £5000. So it would affect the RTP more ?? and if instead they played £100 spins it would have been 100k.

Where this could benefit the likes of me im thinking is when I watch says Xposed or Trainwrecks spunking 500k on Wanted Dead or Alive, could I get some if that RTP on lower stakes?

 

 

 

RTP isnt a real time thing to track. Each spin is random. Think of it like roulette, someone winning 36 quid on a number will not stop the next spin where someone bets 1mil on a number from landing the same number.

 

We have several games on our clients which are lifetime WAY over 100% RTP due to 2 or 3 big winners on those games, and they are still going to be that way for a long time until someone loses at huge stakes.

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