Kickbacks for Affiliation

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  • #103900
    MmmmDonuts WANTED $1
    Outlaw

    [newbie alert] – I dip in and out of forums and rarely contribute, but this thread has me interested.

    I’ve been wondering about Chip lately too. As mentioned, his stakes and attitude have changed since lockdown but it’s the Pokemon association which concerns me the most.

    He’s massively upped his content creation and he’s slotted (pardon the pun) into the typical YouTube influencer style of ‘MASSIVE WIN’ with shocked poses outlined in neon etc. That’s endemic in YT unfortunately and although corny, I have nothing against that as you need to try stand out.

    With regards to promoting just big wins and not losses, well, with the exception of Bandit and Rolla, who would be entertaining enough to put out a losing session, so what’s the point in him creating a boring video? I can accept that too. However, it should be clear that losses are sustained and not just glamourising the wins.

    Regarding increased stakes and association with certain casinos, then anything untoward is going to spoil it for the rest of us – yes, I started streaming myself but am struggling to be honest – I can’t win shit! I have no problem with streamers playing with bonus money if it’s obvious as we can all do that, but as long as the significant terms are disclosed if they’re different to regular bonuses. For example, MAX CASHOUT as although a perfectly acceptable T&C, it is often not disclosed.

    Taking a fee from a casino and depositing it. This is another contentious issue and there is some overlap with bonus money. OK, say I refer a player and get affiliate commission. I then deposit into a casino. Is this regarded as the casino funding my play? It has in a roundabout way, but I received the commission for work I done for them and it’s needed to fund the stream. So if he has received a fee from a casino for a video and then deposited it I don’t see the issue with that, personally. But this is pure conjecture anyway unless somebody has irrefutable proof…? If a casino has paid him for genuine work and he’s used it to play, then hey ho, he got a good deal. However I don’t think that’s a good deal for any casino to be honest.

    However, Pokemon and gambling. Hmmmm. If he wants to discuss Pokemon in a slot stream chat, then although weird for a 40 year old in my opinion, it’s fine. But my worries are that the Pokemon content could cross promote the gambling channel either inadvertently through YouTube’s algorithm and creator association, or directly. I’m sure I saw him do an ‘unwrapping’ video of a $2000 pack of cards. Again, although odd to me, there is nothing wrong with that BUT they have to be kept entirely separate. Are they? Can they?

    I’m on the fence.

     

     

    #103921
    chipmonkz WANTED $5
    Outlaw

    Hi just wanted to jump in and clarify this for you.

    My pokemon channel is a separate entity in itself and has 0 links to my gambling channel.

    The only way you would be offered a video about gambling is if you as a viewer already watch gambling content.

    Youtubes algorithm does not know i have a second channel as they are not linked in any way.

    Most viewers on my pokemon channel are my age believe it or not as most big collectors are older.

    My intention is not to garner people to watch my gambling content its merely a hobby for me that i enjoy a lot and wanted to share as the pokemon community is very big.

    I dont have an angle to do anything other than have fun with the second channel.

    Hope this clears it up for you Cheers

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    #103922
    Xbobmad WANTED $734
    Outlaw

    ? thanks for that ?

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    #103923
    bigbucks1983 WANTED $47
    Outlaw

    chipmonkz wrote:

    Hi just wanted to jump in and clarify this for you.

    My pokemon channel is a separate entity in itself and has 0 links to my gambling channel.

    The only way you would be offered a video about gambling is if you as a viewer already watch gambling content.

    Youtubes algorithm does not know i have a second channel as they are not linked in any way.

    Most viewers on my pokemon channel are my age believe it or not as most big collectors are older.

    My intention is not to garner people to watch my gambling content its merely a hobby for me that i enjoy a lot and wanted to share as the pokemon community is very big.

    I dont have an angle to do anything other than have fun with the second channel.

    Hope this clears it up for you Cheers

    Hi chip,

    Respect for coming on. Reading all the pages I do not think the pokemon side of things has really been brought up much, mostly its s bit obscure. I think there’s only one comment that insinuates you want your pokemon viewers to end up as your gambling stream viewers which i think the majority of people will agree is far fetched.

    I think the general feel to the thread has more been regarding your representation of gambling and the skewed view it can give off along with some of the casinos you represent and their bonus terms along with paying you a fee per video.

    Just a few questions I have,

    Why do you glamorize gambling so much? Specifically inconsistencies around stakes, contradiction about how often you do it. Posting ‘forgotten’ compilations of max stake wins is highly suspicious.

    Why do you clickbait video titles so much? They are vastly inconsistent. Everything is huge win or high stake when its actually not. This looks like a simple attempt to gain views and sign ups.

    Do you get a fixed fee per video you put up? If you do then your videos are casino funded so removing risk and authenticity.

    Why do you promote the casinos you do? They are not the most well known ones and some have questionable bonus terms it has been reported.

    Lastly if the ukgc do limit quick spins etc would you move to streaming on curaçao casinos like you reported the Swedish streamers have in a recent video.

    Appreciate you coming on. Most of the issues that have been raised are due to where the channel has gone over the last year. Even if you don’t want to answer the questions on here, at least have a think about whats been raised.

     

    Cheers

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    #103925
    chipmonkz WANTED $5
    Outlaw

    Hi thanks for the questions answers below.

    Im happy to do this once but i do not wish this to turn into a Q and A as its not my forum.

     

    Just a few questions I have,

    Why do you glamorize gambling so much? Specifically inconsistencies around stakes, contradiction about how often you do it. Posting ‘forgotten’ compilations of max stake wins is highly suspicious.

    The forgotten big win video was a one off and a genuinely forgot i had the footage.

    I don’t glamorize gambling intentionally I always warn of the dangers each video plus I do a wide range of stakes from 20p to max stakes to try and cater to everyone.

    Why do you clickbait video titles so much? They are vastly inconsistent. Everything is huge win or high stake when its actually not. This looks like a simple attempt to gain views and sign ups.

    Its marketing and i do what a lot of other channels do when it comes to titles and thumbnails.

    If it says big win its a big win but thats always down to you do decide if you feel it is indeed worthy to be classed as big.

    Do you get a fixed fee per video you put up? If you do then your videos are casino funded so removing risk and authenticity.

    All of my casino offers are not able to be discussed as they are under an NDA.

    I will say back to you if someone earns £500 from affiliation and makes a video with that money is it any different?

    Why do you promote the casinos you do? They are not the most well known ones and some have questionable bonus terms it has been reported.

    Good question and the answer is I feel most of the bigger casinos have now been well promoted and leaves little chance for people like me to make this successful.

    The casinos i work with all have pros and cons like most do.

     

    Lastly if the ukgc do limit quick spins etc would you move to streaming on curaçao casinos like you reported the Swedish streamers have in a recent video.

    I wont be doing this no

     

    #103926
    thunderball6 WANTED $272
    Outlaw

    On the fixed fee per video . It is completely different than someone earning 500 pound through affiliate earnings , and then making a video .

    #103927
    bigbucks1983 WANTED $47
    Outlaw

    chipmonkz wrote:

    Hi thanks for the questions answers below.

    Im happy to do this once but i do not wish this to turn into a Q and A as its not my forum.

     

    Just a few questions I have,

    Why do you glamorize gambling so much? Specifically inconsistencies around stakes, contradiction about how often you do it. Posting ‘forgotten’ compilations of max stake wins is highly suspicious.

    The forgotten big win video was a one off and a genuinely forgot i had the footage.

    I don’t glamorize gambling intentionally I always warn of the dangers each video plus I do a wide range of stakes from 20p to max stakes to try and cater to everyone.

    Why do you clickbait video titles so much? They are vastly inconsistent. Everything is huge win or high stake when its actually not. This looks like a simple attempt to gain views and sign ups.

    Its marketing and i do what a lot of other channels do when it comes to titles and thumbnails.

    If it says big win its a big win but thats always down to you do decide if you feel it is indeed worthy to be classed as big.

    Do you get a fixed fee per video you put up? If you do then your videos are casino funded so removing risk and authenticity.

    All of my casino offers are not able to be discussed as they are under an NDA.

    I will say back to you if someone earns £500 from affiliation and makes a video with that money is it any different?

    Why do you promote the casinos you do? They are not the most well known ones and some have questionable bonus terms it has been reported.

    Good question and the answer is I feel most of the bigger casinos have now been well promoted and leaves little chance for people like me to make this successful.

    The casinos i work with all have pros and cons like most do.

     

    Lastly if the ukgc do limit quick spins etc would you move to streaming on curaçao casinos like you reported the Swedish streamers have in a recent video.

    I wont be doing this no

     

    Cheers Chip, appreciate the time to answer them.

    I’ll just leave my thoughts on your comments.

    Glamorising gambling, this ties in with the titles of vid. The titles nearly always say big win or something to that effect but when they aren’t really, either by monetary terms or x of stake its essentially false advertising. Further more when you say, I only play high stakes occasionally but actually it is a weekly or daily occurance. I think that is more insulting than anything. You do mix the stakes up, which i see jord mostly plays but they are rarely titled big win. I just think there are inconsistencies that lean to the big wins high stakes taking the fore.

    In actual regards to the clickbait titles. So it may say huge win but its actually only 70x of stake or high stake when its £5. Now £5 has become your normal stake though, high stake cannot cover £5-£40 to suit your video. Yes its down to interpretation but that is an easy out. Youve been gambling long enough to know whats a big win or high stake, the only people who fall for those titles are those unaware of gambling and probably need the more knowledge than potentially ending up signing up from naivety.

    In regards to fees, totally appreciate it cant be discussed but theres a huge difference if youre using a payment for a video to gamble or affiliation money. Let’s say you put a video out and your loss is covered by the payment for the video, you have zero risk. However you no doubtedly still have revenue coming in from affiliation at other casinos. Its like using casino A and B to create videos and making affiliation money off c-z.

    And fair enough I guessed you use those since they aren’t covered by other streamers but I find that a little unscrupulous, you get all the sign ups but the players get a potentially bad casino.

    Anyway appreciate the answers. Take care.

     

    #103935
    CasinoGod WANTED $6
    Outlaw

    I cant say as it’s under NDA

    I will say back to you if someone earns £500 from affiliation and makes a video with that money is it any different?
    Why do you promote the casinos you do? They are not the most well known ones and some have questionable bonus terms it has been reported.

    Rolla, Hypa etc have said. Are they under a different NDA? Every streamer has told us about this deal they have been offered and you crop up with the three brands and try and make a fool of us! 0 Transparency. 0 Trust. Disgrace!

    If the answer to this question regarding the fixed fee  was “No” you would  be very clear and vocal it’s No.

    Also, saying No to something is not breaking an NDA as you are not releasing any info regarding it.

    The only possible answer here that would mean you can’t answer under NDA is Yes. By using this NDA excuse it has confirmed hour suspicions.

    ATTENTION  ALL. 

    It has just been confirmed Chipmonkz is (partially) using Fake Money.

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    #103936
    James1888 WANTED $16
    Outlaw

    ATTENTION  ALL.

    It has not been confirmed Chipmonkz is (partially) using Fake Money.

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    Keep up the good work Chip. I enjoy your content cos I enjoy slots. I have absolutely no interest in your affiliation deals and can’t believe people invest so much time obsessing about it.

    Keep streaming, keep winning and people will keep watching.

    Apologies about the positive post everyone. Guess I better say something nasty or I’ll be removed from this forum. Chip – stop playing Goonies, it’s shite!

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    #103937
    Seedy WANTED $1,244
    Sheriff

    Thanks to Chip for dropping in and answering peoples questions. ??

    #103940
    Dynamik23 WANTED $82
    Outlaw

    chipmonkz wrote:

    Hi just wanted to jump in and clarify this for you.

    My pokemon channel is a separate entity in itself and has 0 links to my gambling channel.

    The only way you would be offered a video about gambling is if you as a viewer already watch gambling content.

    Youtubes algorithm does not know i have a second channel as they are not linked in any way.

    Most viewers on my pokemon channel are my age believe it or not as most big collectors are older.

    My intention is not to garner people to watch my gambling content its merely a hobby for me that i enjoy a lot and wanted to share as the pokemon community is very big.

    I dont have an angle to do anything other than have fun with the second channel.

    Hope this clears it up for you Cheers

    I assume your YouTube channel has your real name attached to it? I also assume your Pokémon channel has that same name attached. I don’t know exactly how recommendations work, but I have been recommended second channels of people i watch where their second channel content is completely different to anything I have watched. It’s not your fault but as long as you do you best to keep everything seperate then it’s on YouTube to not promote gambling to under 18s. I may have missed it but don’t think I did, can you answer the question about how multiple people can play on one account? But if we as regular players did this we would be banned? Also saying no would lead us to believe that you do have some sort of deal per video or something going on. If you didn’t have any deals at all then you could say no as you wouldn’t have a NDA in place. I don’t even care if you are paid to make videos or they cover a percentage of your losses or whatever it maybe. However it needs to be disclosed. I don’t believe the casino is right in blocking you from revealing the information, in effect it does not promote responsible gambling. You getting paid let’s say £100 to make 1 video, plus unlimited matched bonuses plus a percentage of players losses plus maybe a percentage of your overall losses returned, it slowly puts the house edge close to 100%. If not over 100%. Of course the slot machines edge won’t change but theoretically with everything else involved you could technically be a profitable slot player, which does not promote the real side of gambling. It gives a false insight into gambling. I feel like the ukgc is going to come down harder on things like this so in the future your hand maybe forced. Again I have no ill will towards you and I hope you do well but I know the realities of gambling addiction and gambling content has only been around for a short time on YouTube and twitch so I don’t think the regulations are as tight as they should be in protecting young and vulnerable people from gambling. Thanks for answering the questions in the first place. You had no obligation to do so.

    #103941
    Dynamik23 WANTED $82
    Outlaw

    James1888 wrote:

    ATTENTION  ALL.

    It has not been confirmed Chipmonkz is (partially) using Fake Money.

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    Keep up the good work Chip. I enjoy your content cos I enjoy slots. I have absolutely no interest in your affiliation deals and can’t believe people invest so much time obsessing about it.

    Keep streaming, keep winning and people will keep watching.

    Apologies about the positive post everyone. Guess I better say something nasty or I’ll be removed from this forum. Chip – stop playing Goonies, it’s shite!

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    If you had read the thread the main points aren’t about his affiliation deals.

    #103943
    bigbucks1983 WANTED $47
    Outlaw

    I’ll say this, fair play to chip, he came on and addressed the questions i asked him.

    I might not agree with his reasoning but at least he engaged it so repect to him.

    He did make a distinct point in his latest high stake video to say dont try and copy him so hopefully that’s a step in the right direction.

    #103944
    Haz40 WANTED $1,167
    Outlaw

    I don’t particularly agree with how chip promotes his channel but that’s obviously up to him. One thing i do know is that if I’m promoting a product i e a casino site then i would make sure I’m promoting the best sites with the best rtp the best welcome offers variety of games and best withdrawals times. He’s openly admitted these sites he’s affliated to are not necessarily the best sites out there. One thing that does get me as well as he’s seen as some sort of celebrity where people choose to thank him for a reply. Gees he’s not some mega celebrity.

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    #103945
    Seyahkram1977 WANTED $706
    Outlaw

    bigbucks1983 wrote:

    I’ll say this, fair play to chip, he came on and addressed the questions i asked him.

    I might not agree with his reasoning but at least he engaged it so repect to him.

    He did make a distinct point in his latest high stake video to say dont try and copy him so hopefully that’s a step in the right direction.

    Chip has “ chipped “ in on a few threads here, I think by now he’s using biam as a yard stick of his popularity or wether he said something stupid and needs to address it in a future videos??.

    i personally don’t watch chip, he isn’t the kind of content created that I find engaging, which is fine, he’s not make videos for me… but as an outsider, I remember talks of chip on here being quite positive not really that long ago. I seem to recall him having a break( ?) and lots of “ top lad” comments, but something change in how he was perceived and because I don’t follow him I’m not quite sure what ( or if anything) happened…but like many have said above( from a revenue point of view,) he obviously has an idea that something isn’t right in how he’s been seen, and addressing that could draw him more viewers, so these responses are nothing but positives for him,( if sincere ) but ultimately it’s wether people believe The answer are legit, or wether the answer he gave are generic a)b)c) responses  that you could have predicted…..

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