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argyl53 wrote:

Dune2000 wrote:

Going to have to confess that I wouldn’t trust the gambling commission as far as I could throw them.  If there is one thing I have learned in life its that money corrupts.

The casino’s have a lot of money, the people working at the gambling commission don’t have a lot of money and I have no doubt they have regular meetings.

I’m not saying there is anything untoward going on, but I am pretty sure there is scope for it as in every walk of life.  Especially in an organisation which is actually funded by charges from the organisations it is supposed to be policing

So how do you reconcile that with the multi-million pound fines levied on 888, Daub Alderney, Casumo and VideoSlots – not to mention the revocation of a couple of licences for breaching rules? Clearly the GC are enforcing their rules.

The GC lol….keep sucking on that teet fella.

So now weve established that some casinos are breaking laws?

Fuckinell mate. Could that possibly mean that they are breaking even more laws but not being caught?

Jesus your daft. #OwnGoal

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Mr B wrote:

Hey, I’m intrigued to know how a user is blocked without access to the protected SQL.

Browser extension, it’s just a few lines of JavaScript. Doesn’t block a user from the forum or anyone else, just my screen. The core of it is this BanditSnatch code

[Ha Hacko1 WANTED $181 Outlaw]

argyl53 wrote:

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I just found this thread interesting, I would like to know however how they actually programme a slot to give a lower RTP on lower stakes and whether it makes the programming much more difficult.

Online slots generally don’t have a lower RTP for lower stake, that’s more common on FOBTs. But to answer your question: you give the slot a slightly different reel set to nudge the RTP up or down, thus making winning combinations more or less likely to land. Nothing more complicated than that. Edit: Just because I would like to avoid any accusations of being disingenuous, this is not the ONLY technical way to adjust the RTP on a game, it’s just a common way. Slots are not required to operate by picking a random stop position for each reel, some – as we’ve seen with Jamming Jars – can operate more in a manner akin to scratchcards where there is simply a defined win or lose outcome picked at random. The exact mechanics are not prescribed by regulator rules, but the random outcome part is (for games which fall in to those categories).

nobody knows jack shit, gambling is the most corrupt organisation out there, always will be

We do know, though – this stuff isn’t a matter of opinion, in the UK it’s stringently regulated and you can read the policies and procedures laid down by the regulator yourself, it’s public domain information. All slots have to be approved by an independent test house and have their code audited to ensure they are fair and random and their outcomes correspond to their published claims in respect of things like RTP. These checks are carried out on every game. The Gambling Commission can and have come down very heavily on vendors who have been found in breach of their rules, with massive fines.

My comment was aimed at the whole gambling industry not just slots, but as you have stated above there is evidence of corruption within the slot industry and fines were handed out, imo it should of been jail sentences, and as for public domain info if you believe what’s written there then you’ll believe anything, I understand you are a numbers man and in no way am I trying to insult your intelligence you clearly understand how slots work and are made but not everything is black and white and everything can be manipulated, do you really think the government would allow such sort of info to be made public without some sort of input they would lose to much money, my example of this is the fobt fiasco and the crisis meeting they arranged regards loss of taxable money when the date was brought forward to April, does the public’s gambling losses really have that big of impact on our society, if so shame on them and the whole gambling industry.

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Hacko1 wrote:

argyl53 wrote:

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I just found this thread interesting, I would like to know however how they actually programme a slot to give a lower RTP on lower stakes and whether it makes the programming much more difficult.

Online slots generally don’t have a lower RTP for lower stake, that’s more common on FOBTs. But to answer your question: you give the slot a slightly different reel set to nudge the RTP up or down, thus making winning combinations more or less likely to land. Nothing more complicated than that. Edit: Just because I would like to avoid any accusations of being disingenuous, this is not the ONLY technical way to adjust the RTP on a game, it’s just a common way. Slots are not required to operate by picking a random stop position for each reel, some – as we’ve seen with Jamming Jars – can operate more in a manner akin to scratchcards where there is simply a defined win or lose outcome picked at random. The exact mechanics are not prescribed by regulator rules, but the random outcome part is (for games which fall in to those categories).

nobody knows jack shit, gambling is the most corrupt organisation out there, always will be

We do know, though – this stuff isn’t a matter of opinion, in the UK it’s stringently regulated and you can read the policies and procedures laid down by the regulator yourself, it’s public domain information. All slots have to be approved by an independent test house and have their code audited to ensure they are fair and random and their outcomes correspond to their published claims in respect of things like RTP. These checks are carried out on every game. The Gambling Commission can and have come down very heavily on vendors who have been found in breach of their rules, with massive fines.

My comment was aimed at the whole gambling industry not just slots, but as you have stated above there is evidence of corruption within the slot industry and fines were handed out, imo it should of been jail sentences, and as for public domain info if you believe what’s written there then you’ll believe anything, I understand you are a numbers man and in no way am I trying to insult your intelligence you clearly understand how slots work and are made but not everything is black and white and everything can be manipulated, do you really think the government would allow such sort of info to be made public without some sort of input they would lose to much money, my example of this is the fobt fiasco and the crisis meeting they arranged regards loss of taxable money when the date was brought forward to April, does the public’s gambling losses really have that big of impact on our society, if so shame on them and the whole gambling industry.

wish i could have put my points accross like this.

Well said mate.

[Eightblack WANTED $446 Outlaw]

Everyone has an opinion, they’re obviously bent in the casinos favour otherwise they’d be gamblers too, which would would not be a viable business model.. At all, roullete pays 35/1 but you place 36/1 zero is the edge

 

Blocking just Basics’ comments from your screen and calling him unintelligent w<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>hile in the same breath slating him for insulting people is fucking moronic.. Debate with respect or argue like kids but don’t pull some high ground shit because you know JB has a history here, that makes you a dick. </span>

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Eightblack wrote:

Everyone has an opinion, they’re obviously bent in the casinos favour otherwise they’d be gamblers too, which would would not be a viable business model.. At all, roullete pays 35/1 but you place 36/1 zero is the edge

 

Blocking just Basics’ comments from your screen and calling him unintelligent w<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>hile in the same breath slating him for insulting people is fucking moronic.. Debate with respect or argue like kids but don’t pull some high ground shit because you know JB has a history here, that makes you a dick. </span>

I haven’t called him unintelligent, I haven’t interacted with him at all other than one post to let him know there’s no point directing anything my way now because I’ll no longer see it. I’ve blocked him from appearing on my screen because he’s had a strong habit of repeatedly abusing me with homophobic insults, as well as called me a c**t, a p***y and all sorts of other names while refusing to debate or address any of the subject matter I’ve ever made on the subject of gambling. Entirely within my rights to decide I’ve had enough of that, mate.

May I please urge everyone in this thread to keep it friendly and respectful, because I put some effort in to the original post, the code, the mathematical explanations and I don’t want Steve getting pissed off at everyone and deleting it.

[Du Dune2000 WANTED $205 Blocked]

argyl53 wrote:

Dune2000 wrote:

Going to have to confess that I wouldn’t trust the gambling commission as far as I could throw them.  If there is one thing I have learned in life its that money corrupts.

The casino’s have a lot of money, the people working at the gambling commission don’t have a lot of money and I have no doubt they have regular meetings.

I’m not saying there is anything untoward going on, but I am pretty sure there is scope for it as in every walk of life.  Especially in an organisation which is actually funded by charges from the organisations it is supposed to be policing

So how do you reconcile that with the multi-million pound fines levied on 888, Daub Alderney, Casumo and VideoSlots – not to mention the revocation of a couple of licences for breaching rules? Clearly the GC are enforcing their rules.

I’m sorry but you can’t have it both ways – in one breath you are saying there is no corruption or rule breaking in the industry as they make enough money in any case.   And in the next breath you are arguing that they have been caught breaching rules.

I’m not disputing the fact that the gambling commission have hit back at a number of casino’s, I am merely alluding to the fact that we don’t know what goes on under the radar, and I stand by my decision to mistrust any industry where this amount of money is being bandied around

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argyl53 wrote:

Eightblack wrote:

Everyone has an opinion, they’re obviously bent in the casinos favour otherwise they’d be gamblers too, which would would not be a viable business model.. At all, roullete pays 35/1 but you place 36/1 zero is the edge

 

Blocking just Basics’ comments from your screen and calling him unintelligent w<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>hile in the same breath slating him for insulting people is fucking moronic.. Debate with respect or argue like kids but don’t pull some high ground shit because you know JB has a history here, that makes you a dick. </span>

I haven’t called him unintelligent, I haven’t interacted with him at all other than one post to let him know there’s no point directing anything my way now because I’ll no longer see it. I’ve blocked him from appearing on my screen because he’s had a strong habit of repeatedly abusing me with homophobic insults, as well as called me a c**t, a p***y and all sorts of other names while refusing to debate or address any of the subject matter I’ve ever made on the subject of gambling. Entirely within my rights to decide I’ve had enough of that, mate.

May I please urge everyone in this thread to keep it friendly and respectful, because I put some effort in to the original post, the code, the mathematical explanations and I don’t want Steve getting pissed off at everyone and deleting it.

Here he goes again….dredging shit up. Yeah i repeatedly abused you didnt i mate! Fking get a grip lad.

All i said was sommat which someone with a  dry sense of humor would find funny.

It wasnt homophobic….

<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>And certainly wasnt vile!</span>

And for you to keep bringing it up. Just makes people believe you are playing victim cards every chance you get.

Your pathetic.

I am who i am….your just a contradiction to everything you say u stand for.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I’m sorry but you can’t have it both ways – in one breath you are saying there is no corruption or rule breaking in the industry as they make enough money in any case.   And in the next breath you are arguing that they have been caught breaching rules.

I’m not disputing the fact that the gambling commission have hit back at a number of casino’s, I am merely alluding to the fact that we don’t know what goes on under the radar, and I stand by my decision to mistrust any industry where this amount of money is being bandied around

None of them were fined for rigging games, they were fined for inadequately protecting problem customers and a couple of other similar reasons. So there’s no contradiction there with what I’ve been saying. You can of course believe the Gambling Commission are taking bribes or whatever to allow rigging to take place, forging audit reports and the independent test houses are all in on it too – but now we’re back to “the moon landing was all a fake” type conspiracy theories which lie somewhere between having zero evidence to support them and being actively contradicted by available evidence.

[Du Dune2000 WANTED $205 Blocked]

argyl53 wrote:

I’m sorry but you can’t have it both ways – in one breath you are saying there is no corruption or rule breaking in the industry as they make enough money in any case.   And in the next breath you are arguing that they have been caught breaching rules.

I’m not disputing the fact that the gambling commission have hit back at a number of casino’s, I am merely alluding to the fact that we don’t know what goes on under the radar, and I stand by my decision to mistrust any industry where this amount of money is being bandied around

None of them were fined for rigging games, they were fined for inadequately protecting problem customers and a couple of other similar reasons. So there’s no contradiction there with what I’ve been saying. You can of course believe the Gambling Commission are taking bribes or whatever to allow rigging to take place, forging audit reports and the independent test houses are all in on it too – but now we’re back to “the moon landing was all a fake” type conspiracy theories which lie somewhere between having zero evidence to support them and being actively contradicted by available evidence.

The moon landing was fake?    Noooooooooooooo

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

The moon landing was fake?    Noooooooooooooo

Haha, my point is if someone can present any evidence whatsoever to support a claim that the Gambling Commission and approved test houses are allowing rigged games, or games that aren’t entirely random to go through and be played by the public, I’ll cheerfully eat my words. But so far none has been forthcoming.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

I leave the forum for a few hours and chaos erupts?. If i had my way this thread would of been locked along time ago. Come on guys sort it out. ??

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

Of all the people who have been classed as “problem customers” how many of them have actually been helped more than shown the direction to quit gambling help ? None.

Mr Jones became heavily addicted to FOBT Roulette and repeatedly gambled away all his earnings then having to borrow to feed his wife and child, keeping it all a secret as long as he could until he was £25,000 in debt and couldn’t pay the rent, had to tell his wife and she left him, taking their child whom he barely sees now.

That’s tens of thousands and a smashed up family. The company were fined, the state kept the money, the man still has debts and a broken family and feels suicidal daily.

Now imagine this happening to hundreds of people, every day.

Hypothetically ? Seriously corrupt.

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

Haz40 wrote:

I leave the forum for a few hours and chaos erupts?. If i had my way this thread would of been locked along time ago. Come on guys sort it out. ??

Yeah i agree. Fuck it im done with this subject once and for all

Please no one bring it up again

Im off before i say something i regret.

Peace guys. X

[Iz Izattm WANTED $18 Outlaw]

Genuinly think JB is at the wind up,  Surely….

Beggars belief honestly.

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