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24th July 2019 at 4:43 pm #75075
I don’t think they are rigged, I just think they can be manipulated into a certain area on the wheel. Could be a genuine mistake that the bets weren’t places.. just strange how they were both pretty big winning spins.
25th July 2019 at 9:50 am #75096Anybody who was given the job of spinning that wheel would learn within 30 mins exactly how hard/soft to spin it to land it in a particular section. I’m not suggesting they do this intentionally (maybe not most of them). It is disconcerting when some of them manage to land it in a dead zone 9-10 times in a row (which I’ve seen many times) and you feel like your balance is being sucked dry.
If they varied their spin routines I’d be happier.
Saying that, I haven’t seen many bonuses get above 50x lately because the buildings are way worse than they used to be. I saw one bonus the other day where 8 houses got built across the entire board. Big win potential utterly wiped out.
25th July 2019 at 11:51 am #75102Yeah I agree with this. Also thought they must look at the wheel before they spin it to tell players where the flappy thing has landed. This making it easier to decide for a soft/hard spin. Also saw a video on youtube of the wheel being spun and not doing a full circle.. landed on a 1/2. People were pissed because their bets got taken. Not sure what came of this because I thought it had to do at least 1 turn. Rumour has it that the woman who did the half spin got sack, but rumours will just be rumours 🙂
25th July 2019 at 12:46 pm #7510625th July 2019 at 2:42 pm #75116Ill help out, let me ask Evolution for us, bear with me!
Awesome, thank you! 🙂
25th July 2019 at 7:41 pm #75121Hi all, probably a bit of a surprising thread from me, given my reputation around here as a ‘casino defender’, but here we go!
I’ve been playing a lot of Monopoly Live since its release. The RTP isn’t the best (2 and 10 aren’t terrible at ~96%, but rolls are pretty poor at ~93%), but I find it really fun to play, and in most sessions I’ve played I’ve managed to breakeven or profit on it.
Now, the question I’ve been asking myself over and over (and I did actually ask it in another thread a few weeks back but never got a response), is how this game can be regulated and accepted by the UKGC given its current set-up? My gripe with it is, it seems like the only requirement of the hosts is for the wheel to do at least one full rotation. My concern with that is, many hosts utilise awfully slow spins, and from the moment they release the wheel it is obvious what section is not going to land.
So, if they wanted to avoid four rolls, a very prominent, single strip on the wheel, let’s say, they surely quite easily can do this? I’m genuinely surprised that regulation hasn’t ensured the protection of the players by insisting on two or more rotations at the very least. It’s very different to roulette, where there are plenty more variables that make it very difficult for the croupier to land in a specific number or area. Even then, there are experienced croupier’s who are able to land in a certain section of the wheel more consistently than what should be possible. So what does this say about Monopoly Live?
Now, by no means am I claiming anything is rigged. I’m not even saying that the hosts for Monopoly Live are necessarily utilising such a biased method of play. I’m just calling it out that it appears to be possible, and quite easily so at that.
Thoughts?
No dealers can accurately land in sections. Like you say too many variables. Including the diamonds, the wheel moving and the metal divits. You do know that everything changes a spin? Sweat on the finger tips, humidity, wheel speed, wheel balance, erosion of inner wheel where the ball spins. Nobody in the world can accurately and knowingly spin a section of specific numbers. Let alone a single number. Most spins are 20 revolution minimum. So you are saying that a person can throw a little plastic ball the length of the wheel 20 times using only their middle or index finger? Literally 1 finger. I really don’t understand how anybody can even believe that this is a possibility. Take away the diamonds, have big divots for the numbers, the wheel completely stopped and let the dealer do the minimum revolutions required (5) then ask them to spin a specific section of say 12 numbers (3rd of the wheel) then I might believe someone could get to the point of being able to hit it slightly more than 33% over thousands of spins but I would still say it’s not possible. I can honestly say the best way to prove to yourself that it’s not possible is to do it. Learn to spin, try and purposefully hit a section of 12 numbers and do 10 spins a day for a year. I’ll bet every penny I have that you will hit that section near exact percentage of what the maths says it should. In regards to the monopoly so I am on topic. I think that’s it’s all about gamepace. Game pace is what ultimately makes the casino money. The more rounds or spins of hands of whatever game means more house edge is being applied to your money which is the long run means more profits. Quite simple in my mind.
25th July 2019 at 7:46 pm #75122Last thing to add that I forgot is something that only casino workers will know. It’s an old school way of thinking but dealers are actively told to vary their spins, ie stand on one leg, increase wheel speed or revolutions and spin from a different number that the last winning one. Old school casino workers believe that it makes things more random. Which is ludicrous. So now not only do dealers have to be perfectly accurate they must do all these things or actively show they are doing these things and still spin a section. It’s literally not possible. If a dealer isn’t varying spins they will be taken off the table depending on who is at the table. And dealers also get audits where some of these things are criteria to pass.
25th July 2019 at 8:40 pm #75123@Dynamik23 – I’m pretty sure you’ve missed the entire point of this thread bud. ?
25th July 2019 at 9:15 pm #75126Your first post stated that some dealers can spins sections and some.can spin numbers. I was refuting that statement. I also added something to the thread in regards to the title. I know it’s a few days late but haven’t been on here for a little while. So don’t think I missed the point. Did I?
25th July 2019 at 9:35 pm #75127yeah, we are talking about monopoly live. The game isnt the same as roulette. YOu probbaly can spin a section in that game, or close to it
25th July 2019 at 9:44 pm #75128yeah, we are talking about monopoly live. The game isnt the same as roulette. YOu probbaly can spin a section in that game, or close to it
I know you are talking about monopoly live. I stated my opinion on that but also gave some information on a misconception that he stated in his first post. I don’t know if you are being sarcastic as I don’t see you as someone who believes croupiers can spin sections. If you do then read my 2 posts above. I also have some maths based facts that I believe prove nobody can spin sections or numbers on roulette.
25th July 2019 at 10:25 pm #75132My point is, you’ve fixated on one small line of my initial post which was only there to bolster the debate for Monopoly Live anyway. By my passing roulette comment, all I meant was, that in certain situations with certain dealers on certain wheels that they are theoretically able to land certain sections more often than others. On that basis, given the simplicity of the Monopoly Live wheel compared with the complexity of a roulette wheel, it is surely more than possible for sections to be targeted if they so choose. I have never once stated that croupiers in all casinos everywhere on all wheels are able to land specific numbers or sections whenever they please. It was a passing comment, and I didn’t intend for that to move the focus from Monopoly Live. Perhaps I should have been more clear!
You then added a small input to the Monopoly Live debate by stating they do what they do for game pace. I have never questioned why they spin how they spin – this whole thread is about how the way that they run the game is acceptable within regulation.
Anyone that knows me on here knows that I don’t need any convincing around how most casinos operate and whether it is lawful or not.
26th July 2019 at 1:51 am #75136My point is, you’ve fixated on one small line of my initial post which was only there to bolster the debate for Monopoly Live anyway. By my passing roulette comment, all I meant was, that in certain situations with certain dealers on certain wheels that they are theoretically able to land certain sections more often than others. On that basis, given the simplicity of the Monopoly Live wheel compared with the complexity of a roulette wheel, it is surely more than possible for sections to be targeted if they so choose. I have never once stated that croupiers in all casinos everywhere on all wheels are able to land specific numbers or sections whenever they please. It was a passing comment, and I didn’t intend for that to move the focus from Monopoly Live. Perhaps I should have been more clear!
You then added a small input to the Monopoly Live debate by stating they do what they do for game pace. I have never questioned why they spin how they spin – this whole thread is about how the way that they run the game is acceptable within regulation.
Anyone that knows me on here knows that I don’t need any convincing around how most casinos operate and whether it is lawful or not.
Fair enough. For me is doesn’t read like that. Seemed like you were stating a incorrect fact about croupiers being able to spin sections. My bad. I’ve never seen monopoly live tbh I am just assuming the reasons.
28th July 2019 at 2:31 am #75264This happened yesterday, 2 rolls came in, first set of dice rolled and it landed on 10x then on the next roll there was an error and the dice had disappeared, I was under the impression that those dice were real and physical device but this shows that they are computerised.
The game was cancelled and everyone was fuming!
28th July 2019 at 3:37 am #75266The dice are real dice… They cant vanish fake dice, that makes no sense. Im not sure what your pic is off but ill take a look.
@Dynamik – Monopoly live the wheel only does 1 or 2 revolutions. The wheel is split into 6 segments, each with a booster quadrant on it. The wheel is big, same as dreamcatcher, but the dealer looks away when spinning. Ive seen this wheel, and with the amount of revolutions (1 for a live spin) it CAN be perfected to land a certain area. Not precicely, but close. Im not saying they do this (they dont) but they could
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This happened yesterday, 2 rolls came in, first set of dice rolled and it landed on 10x then on the next roll there was an error and the dice had disappeared, I was under the impression that those dice were real and physical device but this shows that they are computerised.
The game was cancelled and everyone was fuming!
