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28th October 2018 at 1:06 am #22100
Fruity slots you said is genuine? Umm… ok.
Nick, rocknrolla, casinodaddy, the promo girls, jarttu, Rothstein, all 100% played with casino funds.
Casinos have deals with certain slot providers that streamers can play their games and they won’t have to pay them their cut… as it promotes future business.
E.g netent charges 14% for every euro lost on its games. However if it’s a streamer account they charge 0 and they offset the balance.
Didn’t you say you worked in the industry in a previous thread and had access to this kind of info? So the above is fact rather than opinion? Providing you do what you say you do, of course.
I can’t multiquote from mobile but ill try and be answer both.
My answer is 80% fact as I know the casinos they play on. 2 of our casinos do the same thing in eastern European markets (use local streamers and fund their accounts) so I am 100% aware of how it works and the deals that are in place, as our casinos have the same deals. (Please be aware.. we build casinos and provide games. This is called game aggregation. We see the game code, the spin results, everything, and we set up the invoice amounts for each casino depending on traffic. Example – casumo will pay FAR less per euro made than say… Vegas hero. Pure traffic gets you a better deal. Casumo will be paying approx 8-10% for all their game profits to the slot maker. Smaller casinos pay up to 20%)
As for how I know, they tell you at industry meetings. IGB, ICE (ask bandit… full of streamers) who discuss it. Plus be logical, players don’t start streaming full time with 50p spins the within 6 months start depositing 2k. Affiliate income isn’t that good, and casinos will ABSOLUTELY rip off affiliates by untagging players. The bandit showed his income a couple of years back. They charge admin fees and other things which are made up sums to avoid paying out the hybrid or rev share deals to older affiliates or bigger income affiliates like Catena media.
All in all its a mixture of industry knowledge of the providers, knowing the casinos and how they get traffic, and just common sense. Jarttu bets and loses 70k a month but drives a small hatchback and stays in small hotels when he has to pay at events? Not a chance it’s 100% legit. At all.
28th October 2018 at 1:59 am #22109Probably an interesting question for Casumo Andy about the charges and all that – I very often don’t tell casinos what my player account is, to be honest they don’t often ask. Usually i am called the bandit but sometimes i am not, like Victor, it’s a very old account that one and is named after two decent bands 😀
I have received plenty of money back over the course of the last couple of years but i would definitely say that was down to various VIP cash backs, usually set at 5% or 10% of my net losses, every casino i have ever had the discussion with, wouldn’t allow me to self affiliate for example – that is go through my own link, siting that it wasn’t morally correct. At the time i couldn’t really understand that, they would only give me a bit back if i lost but now yeah, after all the shit i get, imagine that i did that lol I’d have no problem in telling people that is how it was if that was how it was though which is kind of different i guess.
28th October 2018 at 9:38 am #22117@eejit
“Affiliate income isn’t that good”
C’mon mate, why on earth would they do it if it wasn’t that good?
Every decent streamer or uploader with over 5 or 10k followers/subs like Bandit/Nickslots/FruitySlots/RockNrolla – makes high hundreds but mostly thousands per month from being an Affiliate.
If you think thousands of pounds for clicking ya mouse and having a few links posted on ya page ain’t that good, then you must be pretty wealthy.
28th October 2018 at 10:25 am #22119My answer is 80% fact as I know the casinos they play on. 2 of our casinos do the same thing in eastern European markets (use local streamers and fund their accounts) so I am 100% aware of how it works and the deals that are in place, as our casinos have the same deals. (Please be aware.. we build casinos and provide games. This is called game aggregation. We see the game code, the spin results, everything, and we set up the invoice amounts for each casino depending on traffic. Example – casumo will pay FAR less per euro made than say… Vegas hero. Pure traffic gets you a better deal. Casumo will be paying approx 8-10% for all their game profits to the slot maker. Smaller casinos pay up to 20%)
As for how I know, they tell you at industry meetings. IGB, ICE (ask bandit… full of streamers) who discuss it. Plus be logical, players don’t start streaming full time with 50p spins the within 6 months start depositing 2k. Affiliate income isn’t that good, and casinos will ABSOLUTELY rip off affiliates by untagging players. The bandit showed his income a couple of years back. They charge admin fees and other things which are made up sums to avoid paying out the hybrid or rev share deals to older affiliates or bigger income affiliates like Catena media.
All in all its a mixture of industry knowledge of the providers, knowing the casinos and how they get traffic, and just common sense. Jarttu bets and loses 70k a month but drives a small hatchback and stays in small hotels when he has to pay at events? Not a chance it’s 100% legit. At all.
Well, you certainly sound as if you know what your talking about.. so i defer to your opinion.
Some of the streamers you mention, the fact that they are not legit, has been mentioned elsewhere, the example of jarrtuu house and car etc.. i think that’s been pointed out before. It’s certainly very interesting understanding how it all works..
28th October 2018 at 11:39 am #22122@eejit
“Affiliate income isn’t that good”
C’mon mate, why on earth would they do it if it wasn’t that good?
Every decent streamer or uploader with over 5 or 10k followers/subs like Bandit/Nickslots/FruitySlots/RockNrolla – makes high hundreds but mostly thousands per month from being an Affiliate.
If you think thousands of pounds for clicking ya mouse and having a few links posted on ya page ain’t that good, then you must be pretty wealthy.
Bandit showed his affiliate earnings for a few of his casinos one. I recall that one was a couple of thousand, another less so – so with 7 affiliates I guess anywhere between 6-10k a month could be on target. probably wrong and the loss of you tube may have impacted with fewer new subscribers and more people making use of Gambian
28th October 2018 at 7:28 pm #22141@eejit
“Affiliate income isn’t that good”
C’mon mate, why on earth would they do it if it wasn’t that good?
Every decent streamer or uploader with over 5 or 10k followers/subs like Bandit/Nickslots/FruitySlots/RockNrolla – makes high hundreds but mostly thousands per month from being an Affiliate.
If you think thousands of pounds for clicking ya mouse and having a few links posted on ya page ain’t that good, then you must be pretty wealthy.
If you believe that’s all it takes.. You need to read about it.
You need traffic, a unique site, time to make the deals and meet he casinos, an affiliate manager, website and traffic access, large new player traffic, depositing traffic not just sign ups…
To be a good affiliate and make more than say… 40k a year profit, it’s a huge job. Affiliates are generally either huge or tiny. The big ones make fortunes, like askgamblers or pogg or those types (don’t get me started on how dodgy they are) and the small ones earn on avg 2-3k a month. But their costs are almost that much. You aren’t considering hosting, staff, coding, website, url…
It’s expensive.
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