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14th June 2019 at 2:44 pm #69472
Also I would like to ask this. What proof can a streamer provide, to demonstrate beyond any doubt, that he is genuine? I would be willing to bet that it wouldn’t matter what Roshtein, or any other streamer, put out, there would still be people doubting.
It seems to me it’s a bit like God. You can’t prove he exists, you cant prove he doesn’t. We all know you will never convince a believer or an atheist they’re wrong, no matter what you say. It’s futile.
So in the absence of any way to demonstrate, beyond doubt, the voracity of a streamer, I think any speculation is a total waste of time.
14th June 2019 at 2:46 pm #69474Posting casino screenshots of deposits or withdrawals doesn’t prove shit unless it’s a major reputable casino such as Casumo which we can be sure isn’t giving certain affiliates dummy accounts the casino itself is funding. You show me withdrawals on Casumo, I’ll accept you’re genuine, but some no-name dodgy casino outside UKGC regulation? No. Doesn’t convince me it’s not fake.
On the other hand, I don’t think it’s actually on streamers to prove to any viewer’s satisfaction that they’re genuine, rather it is on us as viewers and players to decode who we trust, just like it is when we sign up with a casino, and to not watch the streamers we don’t trust. I don’t trust Roshstein or the casinos he promotes, simple as that. You can learn to act and fake the excitement of big wins, but faking the crushing disappointment of a big loss is much harder.
14th June 2019 at 2:55 pm #69477Posting casino screenshots of deposits or withdrawals doesn’t prove shit unless it’s a major reputable casino such as Casumo which we can be sure isn’t giving certain affiliates dummy accounts the casino itself is funding. You show me withdrawals on Casumo, I’ll accept you’re genuine, but some no-name dodgy casino outside UKGC regulation? No. Doesn’t convince me it’s not fake.
On the other hand, I don’t think it’s actually on streamers to prove to any viewer’s satisfaction that they’re genuine, rather it is on us as viewers and players to decode who we trust, just like it is when we sign up with a casino, and to not watch the streamers we don’t trust. I don’t trust Roshstein or the casinos he promotes, simple as that. You can learn to act and fake the excitement of big wins, but faking the crushing disappointment of a big loss is much harder.
I agree with all of this, apart from I don’t share your distrust of Roshtein. I would urge you to take a look at that DoA win and study his reactions. If he can fake that he’s in the wrong job.
14th June 2019 at 2:59 pm #69469He shows his skrill payments, but that doesn’t prove anything IMO. His audience is basically gullible punters who don’t understand the intricacies of casino’s and how they make their money. Not sure if he promotes any UKGC licensed casinos, but if he does they should look into his promotional activity.
I used to work for a financial services firm that was authorised in the UK. Anything that was used to sell a product was classed as a financial inducement by the FCA. That could be marketing literature, social media commentary a website with links etc etc.
Exactly the same principle should apply to streamers, they should have a fit and proper test by the casinos to allow representation. All financial audit trails should also be disclosed to UKGC to prove casinos are not simply planting people with fake money. Somehow I suspect UKGC doesn’t have the same bite as the FCA, they should do though given the amount of money involved.
14th June 2019 at 3:02 pm #69485Anyone with basic photoshop skills could easily represent false deposits and withdrawls. I think its amusing Paul and his responsible attitude to gambling critcising other streamers. Bit like the local heroin dealer slating other dealers for cutting their gear. Imo any affiliate earnings is the result of praying on addiction. I do enjoy watching some of them though.
14th June 2019 at 3:24 pm #69489So let’s just summarise. If he posts his transactions, they’re no good as it’s skrill. If it wasn’t skrill they wouldn’t be any good because they could be photo-shopped. If they weren’t photo-shopped, they wouldn’t be good because they could be dummy accounts. If they aren’t dummy accounts it would be no good because the casinos aren’t trusted.
So I am forced to ask again. What proof would be sufficient? If there isn’t any, can we stop slagging people off without evidence please?
114th June 2019 at 3:28 pm #69490He shows his skrill payments, but that doesn’t prove anything IMO. His audience is basically gullible punters who don’t understand the intricacies of casino’s and how they make their money. Not sure if he promotes any UKGC licensed casinos, but if he does they should look into his promotional activity.
I used to work for a financial services firm that was authorised in the UK. Anything that was used to sell a product was classed as a financial inducement by the FCA. That could be marketing literature, social media commentary a website with links etc etc.
Exactly the same principle should apply to streamers, they should have a fit and proper test by the casinos to allow representation. All financial audit trails should also be disclosed to UKGC to prove casinos are not simply planting people with fake money. Somehow I suspect UKGC doesn’t have the same bite as the FCA, they should do though given the amount of money involved.
What intricacies are you talking about mate? Surely it’s fairly straight forward. Casinos host games that give them a decent edge, people play, lose money and the casinos get rich. Am I missing something?
14th June 2019 at 3:42 pm #69491Posting casino screenshots of deposits or withdrawals doesn’t prove shit unless it’s a major reputable casino such as Casumo which we can be sure isn’t giving certain affiliates dummy accounts the casino itself is funding. You show me withdrawals on Casumo, I’ll accept you’re genuine, but some no-name dodgy casino outside UKGC regulation? No. Doesn’t convince me it’s not fake.
On the other hand, I don’t think it’s actually on streamers to prove to any viewer’s satisfaction that they’re genuine, rather it is on us as viewers and players to decode who we trust, just like it is when we sign up with a casino, and to not watch the streamers we don’t trust. I don’t trust Roshstein or the casinos he promotes, simple as that. You can learn to act and fake the excitement of big wins, but faking the crushing disappointment of a big loss is much harder.
I agree with all of this, apart from I don’t share your distrust of Roshtein. I would urge you to take a look at that DoA win and study his reactions. If he can fake that he’s in the wrong job.
Really, you buy the over the top screaming from Roshtein..? Have you noticed how Roshtein never leaves the camera view? He’s always in view of the camera on his big wins. He doesn’t step aside and take a deep breath like every single other streamer seems to do. He is fully aware of where the camera is pointing, and he never leaves it’s view.
He’s an actor fit for your local soap, that’s about it.14th June 2019 at 3:56 pm #69495
same here all ways starts with GOL an i have played that game a lot
14th June 2019 at 4:00 pm #69498
same here all ways starts with GOL an i have played that game a lot
Yeah. Dazza excuses himself with having played some 20p stakes or some shit to get the balance to an even 200, but he seems to do this in every single video, so who the fuck deposits 201.60 or some stupid shit like that? And even if you did, it would be hard to have an even 200 balance after 20p stakes, as you likely get some 2p and 6p wins and shit, which you cant remove on bonanza without closing the game and playing another game, which would put start screen back with GOL and 34300 megaways.
I call fake for Dazza too.14th June 2019 at 4:00 pm #69499Posting casino screenshots of deposits or withdrawals doesn’t prove shit unless it’s a major reputable casino such as Casumo which we can be sure isn’t giving certain affiliates dummy accounts the casino itself is funding. You show me withdrawals on Casumo, I’ll accept you’re genuine, but some no-name dodgy casino outside UKGC regulation? No. Doesn’t convince me it’s not fake.
On the other hand, I don’t think it’s actually on streamers to prove to any viewer’s satisfaction that they’re genuine, rather it is on us as viewers and players to decode who we trust, just like it is when we sign up with a casino, and to not watch the streamers we don’t trust. I don’t trust Roshstein or the casinos he promotes, simple as that. You can learn to act and fake the excitement of big wins, but faking the crushing disappointment of a big loss is much harder.
I agree with all of this, apart from I don’t share your distrust of Roshtein. I would urge you to take a look at that DoA win and study his reactions. If he can fake that he’s in the wrong job.
Really, you buy the over the top screaming from Roshtein..? Have you noticed how Roshtein never leaves the camera view? He’s always in view of the camera on his big wins. He doesn’t step aside and take a deep breath like every single other streamer seems to do. He is fully aware of where the camera is pointing, and he never leaves it’s view. He’s an actor fit for your local soap, that’s about it.
Do I buy into the way he behaves? Sure. He’s providing entertainment and at least partly acts that way to entertain the viewers. He puts on a very slick performance and that’s why he has a massive viewing audience. Always on camera for the big wins? Not true. I’ve seen him hit big wins when he’s afk on autospin. The fact that he isn’t like any other streamer is the thing that makes him popular.
For someone with an IQ of 180, I’m amazed that your opinions are so subjective. It’s not a trait usually found amongst those in the gifted category.
14th June 2019 at 4:04 pm #6950014th June 2019 at 4:11 pm #69501In Chips video he mentions affiliation and uses the example “£20k per month”
Are streamers really getting anywhere near that sort of money via affiliation because that’s huge !
14th June 2019 at 4:13 pm #69502Do I buy into the way he behaves? Sure. He’s providing entertainment and at least partly acts that way to entertain the viewers. He puts on a very slick performance and that’s why he has a massive viewing audience. Always on camera for the big wins? Not true. I’ve seen him hit big wins when he’s afk on autospin. The fact that he isn’t like any other streamer is the thing that makes him popular.
For someone with an IQ of 180, I’m amazed that your opinions are so subjective. It’s not a trait usually found amongst those in the gifted category.
Yeah, if you believe his bad acting shows he’s real, you’re buying into the act. Roshtein has been proven to be fake on so many occasions, yet nobody seems to remember it.
Like someone mentioned earlier – Anyone can learn to scream for big wins, it’s how they react when they lose tons that’s impossible to fake. When you lose your bankroll on a tilt day, or you made a good profit and the bug was still there and you ended up ripping, or you chased your losses and felt like shit after. so much so that if you were a streamer you wouldn’t even bother saying “see you next time”, you’d just turn your shit off and try to go to sleep or some shit. You don’t feel like talking to anyone and you just feel like a complete mess. Cus many of us have been there at some point.
Let’s look at it from another point of view – Roshtein has supposedly made 15k deposits a day chasing the DoA2 win, which means he risked more than the average annual salary on Malta each day.
Here’s a task for you: Go to Roshtein’s twitch channel right now, then his youtube channel – Look at the amount of viewers he’s got, then look at how slow the chat is moving. 5000 viewers on twitch – 1 new chat line every 2-3 seconds. Youtube: 1100 viewers – 1 chat line per 20 seconds. Then you go to someone else who’s got that many viewers and check how fast the chat moves for them. Smells like viewbotting to me
14th June 2019 at 4:20 pm #69505In Chips video he mentions affiliation and uses the example “£20k per month”
Are streamers really getting anywhere near that sort of money via affiliation because that’s huge !
Well, when I had a deal with Casumo, I got 30% of what every player who registered through me lost. I never actually used it, but..
This is of course after the casino’s expenses are covered. Let’s say it’s as low as 10% after all that just for the math;
Say I have 50 people who lose an average of 100 quid each per month. That’s 500 quid for me. Now imagine you’ve got thousands of people where many of them register to play through all your affiliate links at like 5 casinos. Say there are 2000 people using your links, and 500 of them use links for all your sites. You now have 4000 signups at 5 casinos. Say 20% of the ones who signed up through your shit are regulars who play for 300 each per month. If they all lose that, you now have 800 people who lost 300 each, totalling 240,000. If you’re left with 10%, you’re doing pretty damn good.Of course the deals vary from casino to casino and streamer to streamer, but yeah, you can make what others make in a year every month.
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same here all ways starts with GOL an i have played that game a lot
Yeah. Dazza excuses himself with having played some 20p stakes or some shit to get the balance to an even 200, but he seems to do this in every single video, so who the fuck deposits 201.60 or some stupid shit like that? And even if you did, it would be hard to have an even 200 balance after 20p stakes, as you likely get some 2p and 6p wins and shit, which you cant remove on bonanza without closing the game and playing another game, which would put start screen back with GOL and 34300 megaways.
I call fake for Dazza too.
