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14th June 2019 at 4:23 pm #69506
Do I buy into the way he behaves? Sure. He’s providing entertainment and at least partly acts that way to entertain the viewers. He puts on a very slick performance and that’s why he has a massive viewing audience. Always on camera for the big wins? Not true. I’ve seen him hit big wins when he’s afk on autospin. The fact that he isn’t like any other streamer is the thing that makes him popular.
For someone with an IQ of 180, I’m amazed that your opinions are so subjective. It’s not a trait usually found amongst those in the gifted category.
Yeah, if you believe his bad acting shows he’s real, you’re buying into the act. Roshtein has been proven to be fake on so many occasions, yet nobody seems to remember it.
Like someone mentioned earlier – Anyone can learn to scream for big wins, it’s how they react when they lose tons that’s impossible to fake. When you lose your bankroll on a tilt day, or you made a good profit and the bug was still there and you ended up ripping, or you chased your losses and felt like shit after. so much so that if you were a streamer you wouldn’t even bother saying “see you next time”, you’d just turn your shit off and try to go to sleep or some shit. You don’t feel like talking to anyone and you just feel like a complete mess. Cus many of us have been there at some point.
Let’s look at it from another point of view – Roshtein has supposedly made 15k deposits a day chasing the DoA2 win, which means he risked more than the average annual salary on Malta each day.
Here’s a task for you: Go to Roshtein’s twitch channel right now, then his youtube channel – Look at the amount of viewers he’s got, then look at how slow the chat is moving. 5000 viewers on twitch – 1 new chat line every 2-3 seconds. Youtube: 1100 viewers – 1 chat line per 20 seconds. Then you go to someone else who’s got that many viewers and check how fast the chat moves for them. Smells like viewbotting to me
Do I buy into the way he behaves? Sure. He’s providing entertainment and at least partly acts that way to entertain the viewers. He puts on a very slick performance and that’s why he has a massive viewing audience. Always on camera for the big wins? Not true. I’ve seen him hit big wins when he’s afk on autospin. The fact that he isn’t like any other streamer is the thing that makes him popular.
For someone with an IQ of 180, I’m amazed that your opinions are so subjective. It’s not a trait usually found amongst those in the gifted category.
Yeah, if you believe his bad acting shows he’s real, you’re buying into the act. Roshtein has been proven to be fake on so many occasions, yet nobody seems to remember it.
Like someone mentioned earlier – Anyone can learn to scream for big wins, it’s how they react when they lose tons that’s impossible to fake. When you lose your bankroll on a tilt day, or you made a good profit and the bug was still there and you ended up ripping, or you chased your losses and felt like shit after. so much so that if you were a streamer you wouldn’t even bother saying “see you next time”, you’d just turn your shit off and try to go to sleep or some shit. You don’t feel like talking to anyone and you just feel like a complete mess. Cus many of us have been there at some point.
Let’s look at it from another point of view – Roshtein has supposedly made 15k deposits a day chasing the DoA2 win, which means he risked more than the average annual salary on Malta each day.
Here’s a task for you: Go to Roshtein’s twitch channel right now, then his youtube channel – Look at the amount of viewers he’s got, then look at how slow the chat is moving. 5000 viewers on twitch – 1 new chat line every 2-3 seconds. Youtube: 1100 viewers – 1 chat line per 20 seconds. Then you go to someone else who’s got that many viewers and check how fast the chat moves for them. Smells like viewbotting to me
Do I buy into the way he behaves? Sure. He’s providing entertainment and at least partly acts that way to entertain the viewers. He puts on a very slick performance and that’s why he has a massive viewing audience. Always on camera for the big wins? Not true. I’ve seen him hit big wins when he’s afk on autospin. The fact that he isn’t like any other streamer is the thing that makes him popular.
For someone with an IQ of 180, I’m amazed that your opinions are so subjective. It’s not a trait usually found amongst those in the gifted category.
Yeah, if you believe his bad acting shows he’s real, you’re buying into the act. Roshtein has been proven to be fake on so many occasions, yet nobody seems to remember it.
Like someone mentioned earlier – Anyone can learn to scream for big wins, it’s how they react when they lose tons that’s impossible to fake. When you lose your bankroll on a tilt day, or you made a good profit and the bug was still there and you ended up ripping, or you chased your losses and felt like shit after. so much so that if you were a streamer you wouldn’t even bother saying “see you next time”, you’d just turn your shit off and try to go to sleep or some shit. You don’t feel like talking to anyone and you just feel like a complete mess. Cus many of us have been there at some point.
Let’s look at it from another point of view – Roshtein has supposedly made 15k deposits a day chasing the DoA2 win, which means he risked more than the average annual salary on Malta each day.
Here’s a task for you: Go to Roshtein’s twitch channel right now, then his youtube channel – Look at the amount of viewers he’s got, then look at how slow the chat is moving. 5000 viewers on twitch – 1 new chat line every 2-3 seconds. Youtube: 1100 viewers – 1 chat line per 20 seconds. Then you go to someone else who’s got that many viewers and check how fast the chat moves for them. Smells like viewbotting to me
Ok so i think we can all agree. The money for streams come from affiliation so surely the whole purpose of a streamer is to lose less than they receive in affiliation correct. So surely it’s damage limitation. Every streamer will be down on deposits but up with what they receive through affliation. So after watching this roshtein the other night why the hell does he quick spin at 50 euros a spin. It doesn’t make sense. It’s not good business practice. Surely the best scenario for a streamer is to lose least as poss in the longest amount of time. The last thing you would do is quick spin a slot.
14th June 2019 at 4:26 pm #69508Fucks sake Haz, fix your quote lol.
But yeah, I agree. But he wants to attract customers so he spins at 50 euro non stop to get people’s attention. It’s so blatantly obvious it’s fake.
14th June 2019 at 4:28 pm #69509In Chips video he mentions affiliation and uses the example “£20k per month”
Are streamers really getting anywhere near that sort of money via affiliation because that’s huge !
Have a look at this: https://www.allabolag.se/5590783352/joelsson-media-group-ab
Joelsson Media Group AB is CasinoDaddy’s affiliate company. In 2018 they had a turnover of 46 million SEK ~ 3.8 million GBP. All from streaming.
This shows how much money is involved.
14th June 2019 at 4:30 pm #69510Do I buy into the way he behaves? Sure. He’s providing entertainment and at least partly acts that way to entertain the viewers. He puts on a very slick performance and that’s why he has a massive viewing audience. Always on camera for the big wins? Not true. I’ve seen him hit big wins when he’s afk on autospin. The fact that he isn’t like any other streamer is the thing that makes him popular.
For someone with an IQ of 180, I’m amazed that your opinions are so subjective. It’s not a trait usually found amongst those in the gifted category.
Yeah, if you believe his bad acting shows he’s real, you’re buying into the act. Roshtein has been proven to be fake on so many occasions, yet nobody seems to remember it.
Like someone mentioned earlier – Anyone can learn to scream for big wins, it’s how they react when they lose tons that’s impossible to fake. When you lose your bankroll on a tilt day, or you made a good profit and the bug was still there and you ended up ripping, or you chased your losses and felt like shit after. so much so that if you were a streamer you wouldn’t even bother saying “see you next time”, you’d just turn your shit off and try to go to sleep or some shit. You don’t feel like talking to anyone and you just feel like a complete mess. Cus many of us have been there at some point.
Let’s look at it from another point of view – Roshtein has supposedly made 15k deposits a day chasing the DoA2 win, which means he risked more than the average annual salary on Malta each day.
Here’s a task for you: Go to Roshtein’s twitch channel right now, then his youtube channel – Look at the amount of viewers he’s got, then look at how slow the chat is moving. 5000 viewers on twitch – 1 new chat line every 2-3 seconds. Youtube: 1100 viewers – 1 chat line per 20 seconds. Then you go to someone else who’s got that many viewers and check how fast the chat moves for them. Smells like viewbotting to me
IQ of 180. I’ve shit better!
Stop twisting my words and show me this proof please. If he has been proved to be a fake on so many occasions then please show me one single instance. Just a one undeniable piece of evidence that he is fake. Not slow chat, gut feelings, intuition, bad acting, or appeals to the supernatural. I have an open mind and can easily be convinced with evidence.
14th June 2019 at 4:33 pm #69511Fucks sake Haz, fix your quote lol.
But yeah, I agree. But he wants to attract customers so he spins at 50 euro non stop to get people’s attention. It’s so blatantly obvious it’s fake.
Lol don’t know what happened there. Surely it’s affliation versus losses. I understand you’d need to attract the viewers but personally i think there are much more less risk ways of doing this.
14th June 2019 at 4:42 pm #69515@awesomex yeah show me the undeniable proof too please. I think he’s probably fake but the way his hands were shaking after the doa2 win the other day was quite convincing. However if you’ve loads of undeniable proof that he’s fake that would put the whole thing to bed for everyone. Thanks!
14th June 2019 at 4:43 pm #69516Fruity slots now have a video out showing their proof.
I know they get called out a lot so will see what the haters say.
14th June 2019 at 4:45 pm #6951814th June 2019 at 4:48 pm #69519Do I buy into the way he behaves? Sure. He’s providing entertainment and at least partly acts that way to entertain the viewers. He puts on a very slick performance and that’s why he has a massive viewing audience. Always on camera for the big wins? Not true. I’ve seen him hit big wins when he’s afk on autospin. The fact that he isn’t like any other streamer is the thing that makes him popular.
For someone with an IQ of 180, I’m amazed that your opinions are so subjective. It’s not a trait usually found amongst those in the gifted category.
Yeah, if you believe his bad acting shows he’s real, you’re buying into the act. Roshtein has been proven to be fake on so many occasions, yet nobody seems to remember it.
Like someone mentioned earlier – Anyone can learn to scream for big wins, it’s how they react when they lose tons that’s impossible to fake. When you lose your bankroll on a tilt day, or you made a good profit and the bug was still there and you ended up ripping, or you chased your losses and felt like shit after. so much so that if you were a streamer you wouldn’t even bother saying “see you next time”, you’d just turn your shit off and try to go to sleep or some shit. You don’t feel like talking to anyone and you just feel like a complete mess. Cus many of us have been there at some point.
Let’s look at it from another point of view – Roshtein has supposedly made 15k deposits a day chasing the DoA2 win, which means he risked more than the average annual salary on Malta each day.
Here’s a task for you: Go to Roshtein’s twitch channel right now, then his youtube channel – Look at the amount of viewers he’s got, then look at how slow the chat is moving. 5000 viewers on twitch – 1 new chat line every 2-3 seconds. Youtube: 1100 viewers – 1 chat line per 20 seconds. Then you go to someone else who’s got that many viewers and check how fast the chat moves for them. Smells like viewbotting to me
IQ of 180. I’ve shit better!
Stop twisting my words and show me this proof please. If he has been proved to be a fake on so many occasions then please show me one single instance. Just a one undeniable piece of evidence that he is fake. Not slow chat, gut feelings, intuition, bad acting, or appeals to the supernatural. I have an open mind and can easily be convinced with evidence.
He plays at 50 euro stakes with bonus money active, his screen says 2k deposit and 8k bonus with 270k wagering, while playing for N1 casino, a casino that’s barely got customers.
Now, the casino needs to make up for this through his links for this to be worth it for them (if the money was real). So if 500 people, which is about 10% of his viewers right now, on average play for 50 euro each on that very casino today, that’s 25k. So say 10% of those end up winning, 90% end up losing. The winnings will be subtracted from the total. Now, there’s also then the risk of Roshtein who plays 50 euro stakes all day long hits a 1000x win, or several 200-500x wins, and gets his balance to 50-100k. Wich I’m sure you’ve seen him do. Now, how the hell is that math gonna add up? He will need all his 5000 viewers to play for 20 euro each every single day to make up for the potential risk here.
Also, let’s compare it with what happened to casinodaddy and Betsson. Casinodaddy won and cashed out 30,000 euros in one day. They were then refused affiliation bonuses after that, cus they were up on the casino. That’s 30,000 on the absolute biggest casino site out there. When Betsson can’t afford to give them a bonus cus of the risk of them cashing out 30k or something like that again, how the fuck is N1 casino who nobody’s even heard about gonna be able to sustain Roshtein cashing out 80k and shit and still getting bonuses the very next day?
It’s simple logics.
14th June 2019 at 4:57 pm #6952014th June 2019 at 4:57 pm #69521Yeah, shocking as this might seem based on other threads where we’ve both interacted, I very much agree with awesomex on this one and I think it’s a red herring for people to be saying oh show me this absolute proof that he’s fake. Roshstein could release a video on his channel where he admitted it’s all fake and you could still argue that technically, it’s not proof he’s fake, it’s just proof he released a video in which he said he was.
It goes back to what I’ve said on this forum repeatedly in recent days; making up your mind is about critical thinking, the objective analysis of the evidence available to you to come to a conclusion. For me, the pertinent evidence in respect of Roshstein is that he never plays on or is affiliated with reputable casinos covered by the UK licence (I use this as a benchmark of casinos standards because our regulations are so stringent), comes across on his videos in a manner I would describe as theatrical and unlike any streamer I know to be genuine particularly in respect of losses, plays at frequencies, balances and stakes which if genuine experience tells me would require close to a seven figure bankroll to maintain and appears (as awesomex pointed out) to be followed by bots on YT.
Is any of that “absolute proof”? Of course not, but it definitely smells dodgy and that’s enough for me to give him a wide berth.
114th June 2019 at 4:59 pm #69522@awesomex Ok, that’s circumstantial, not irrefutable evidence. It falls far short of the proof you were talking about.
Nevertheless, let’s look at that. First off, Roshtein loses far more often that he cashes out. I have no figures, but just from my viewing I would say over the past couple of months he is probably breaking even. The DoA win was non bonus money btw.
Following one of his latest cashouts, the N1 casino raised his wager requirements from 30 to 35x. It seems they did the math and wanted to tilt the odds back in their favour. I wonder why they would do this if it was casino money.
So unless you can counter this, I would appreciate the proof you were talking about. Proof that “Roshtein has been proven to be fake on so many occasions, yet nobody seems to remember it”.
14th June 2019 at 5:15 pm #69527Yeah, shocking as this might seem based on other threads where we’ve both interacted, I very much agree with awesomex on this one and I think it’s a red herring for people to be saying oh show me this absolute proof that he’s fake. Roshstein could release a video on his channel where he admitted it’s all fake and you could still argue that technically, it’s not proof he’s fake, it’s just proof he released a video in which he said he was.
It goes back to what I’ve said on this forum repeatedly in recent days; making up your mind is about critical thinking, the objective analysis of the evidence available to you to come to a conclusion. For me, the pertinent evidence in respect of Roshstein is that he never plays on or is affiliated with reputable casinos covered by the UK licence (I use this as a benchmark of casinos standards because our regulations are so stringent), comes across on his videos in a manner I would describe as theatrical and unlike any streamer I know to be genuine particularly in respect of losses, plays at frequencies, balances and stakes which if genuine experience tells me would require close to a seven figure bankroll to maintain and appears (as awesomex pointed out) to be followed by bots on YT.
Is any of that “absolute proof”? Of course not, but it definitely smells dodgy and that’s enough for me to give him a wide berth.
@argyl53 We are on the same page. We would probably both agree that the proof required in order to believe a proposition is directly proportional to it’s importance and plausibility. So if any streamer fessed up to being fake I would believe them. Saying Roshtein is fake is not an extraordinary claim, therefore the level of required evidence is actually fairly low.
So it frustrates me that despite some quite dogmatic opinions and promises, little in the way of compelling evidence is forthcoming. <span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>I was only asking for proof because Mr 180 IQ said he had it. </span>
Personally I waver on this one. I don’t think there’s sufficient evidence to call the chap out, but what you and Mr IQ say is right, it does smell a bit.
14th June 2019 at 5:16 pm #69529@awesomex Ok, that’s circumstantial, not irrefutable evidence. It falls far short of the proof you were talking about.
Nevertheless, let’s look at that. First off, Roshtein loses far more often that he cashes out. I have no figures, but just from my viewing I would say over the past couple of months he is probably breaking even. The DoA win was non bonus money btw.
Following one of his latest cashouts, the N1 casino raised his wager requirements from 30 to 35x. It seems they did the math and wanted to tilt the odds back in their favour. I wonder why they would do this if it was casino money.
So unless you can counter this, I would appreciate the proof you were talking about. Proof that “Roshtein has been proven to be fake on so many occasions, yet nobody seems to remember it”.
The proof is right in front of you: A casino is not a charity for affiliates.
Yeah, I heard he spent about 80,000 euro before he won about 80,000 euro on a wildline on DoA2. Do you have any idea how much money his community would have to spend to cover 80,000 euro in a week or so? Do you honestly think his followers spend around 1 million euros per week playing online casinos? 5000 people spending 1 million total, where all 5000 loses, MIGHT make him 80,000 euro. And then you gotta take into account that every single person in his stream, all 5000, gotta be able to play for 800-1000 euros a month! Do you not see how fucking impossible this sounds? Can you afford to spend 1000 euros a month, every month, on gambling? Cus most of the viewers are regular people. Average, regular people. And probably viewbots, but anyway.. Many who watch him are probably unemployed dreamers too, who definitely can’t afford to do this.
The average salary in Europe is about 1900 euros a month. If all his viewers made the average salary, which on average they statistically and logically will do, that means they spend half their monthly income on gambling at casinos nobody else plays at.It’s so blatantly obvious he’s fake man.
If he was real he would be playing at LeoVegas, Betsson, Casumo, Rizk, Videoslots and the rest of the casinos everyone else plays at.
14th June 2019 at 5:20 pm #69530He shows his skrill payments, but that doesn’t prove anything IMO. His audience is basically gullible punters who don’t understand the intricacies of casino’s and how they make their money. Not sure if he promotes any UKGC licensed casinos, but if he does they should look into his promotional activity.
I used to work for a financial services firm that was authorised in the UK. Anything that was used to sell a product was classed as a financial inducement by the FCA. That could be marketing literature, social media commentary a website with links etc etc.
Exactly the same principle should apply to streamers, they should have a fit and proper test by the casinos to allow representation. All financial audit trails should also be disclosed to UKGC to prove casinos are not simply planting people with fake money. Somehow I suspect UKGC doesn’t have the same bite as the FCA, they should do though given the amount of money involved.
What intricacies are you talking about mate? Surely it’s fairly straight forward. Casinos host games that give them a decent edge, people play, lose money and the casinos get rich. Am I missing something?
But its not is it. Thats all part of the deception, Roshtein has a 300% deposit bonus with favourable wagering terms that mean every bullet he fires gives him a positive EV. Forget whether its real money or not for a minute.
He is selling something to his viewers that they cannot replicate. Casinos/bookmakers look at these people many with gambling problems as mug punters who don’t understand what is going on mathematically.
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