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[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

@PsychicSnail my intuitive suspicion would be that as has been suggested, it’s a mix of real and fake where he’s making low real cash deposits and getting huge, unrealistic bonus amounts on them no ordinary player would get.

[Ol Oldmoon WANTED $27 Outlaw]

If you are going to play 50 euro spins you need half a million bankroll at the minimum,personally I reckon a million would still be tight.theres been a lot of discussion here whether he fake or not,my opinion is he gets paid a basic salary and gets a Brucey bonus on top.odds of him being fake 2/5 not fake 7/4 anyone fancy a wager?

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

argyl53 wrote:

@PsychicSnail my intuitive suspicion would be that as has been suggested, it’s a mix of real and fake where he’s making low real cash deposits and getting huge, unrealistic bonus amounts on them no ordinary player would get.

From what I’ve heard, only 5% of the deposit is actually Roshtein’s money. I also heard he had a max cashout, but let’s forget that one for a moment and pretend he doesn’t have a max cashout.

That means his 2000 euro deposit is really a 100 euro deposit. And when he wins 50k it’s actually 2.5k.
This sounds WAAAAAAY more likely and affordable to me.
However, that wouldn’t draw the customers/viewers. His huge bets do that. 50 euro bets is more like 2.5 euro bets if this is the case, and puts his stakes at a pretty bang on average stake.

This sounds like a very likely possibility if you ask me.

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

@awesomex You make a compelling argument. I can confidently say you will never meet a more honest man than me. Although I attempt to exercise scepticism, I am by nature a trusting sort. Gullible perhaps.

No one likes to shown to be wrong, even on an anonymous pubic forum, but yes, it seems that I could well be wrong. It doesn’t mean I believe you have an IQ of 180 though, I’m not that damn gullible! :).

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

PsychicSnail wrote:

@awesomex You make a compelling argument. I can confidently say you will never meet a more honest man than me. Although I attempt to exercise scepticism, I am by nature a trusting sort. Gullible perhaps.

No one likes to shown to be wrong, even on an anonymous pubic forum, but yes, it seems that I could well be wrong. It doesn’t mean I believe you have an IQ of 180 though, I’m not that damn gullible! :).

Makes a lot of sense to believe several casino sites are not actually casinos, but charitys who exclusively donate money to a single misfit swedish child on Twitch and YouTube, rather than believing someone has an IQ of 180.

Chances of the first one being true: 0.

Chances of the 2nd being true: 1:20,000,000

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

awesomex wrote:

argyl53 wrote:

@PsychicSnail my intuitive suspicion would be that as has been suggested, it’s a mix of real and fake where he’s making low real cash deposits and getting huge, unrealistic bonus amounts on them no ordinary player would get.

From what I’ve heard, only 5% of the deposit is actually Roshtein’s money. I also heard he had a max cashout, but let’s forget that one for a moment and pretend he doesn’t have a max cashout.

That means his 2000 euro deposit is really a 100 euro deposit. And when he wins 50k it’s actually 2.5k. This sounds WAAAAAAY more likely and affordable to me.
However, that wouldn’t draw the customers/viewers. His huge bets do that. 50 euro bets is more like 2.5 euro bets if this is the case, and puts his stakes at a pretty bang on average stake.

This sounds like a very likely possibility if you ask me.

I would agree that given everything you have said, this is the most likely scenario.

I also agree that, if true, it’s not something that should be allowed to happen. There are vulnerable people who will think they can emulate his “success”. Still, that’s not something we can fix here.

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awesomex wrote:

Gecksy wrote:

In Chips video he mentions affiliation and uses the example “£20k per month”

Are streamers really getting anywhere near that sort of money via affiliation because that’s huge !

 

Well, when I had a deal with Casumo, I got 30% of what every player who registered through me lost. I never actually used it, but.. This is of course after the casino’s expenses are covered. Let’s say it’s as low as 10% after all that just for the math;
Say I have 50 people who lose an average of 100 quid each per month. That’s 500 quid for me. Now imagine you’ve got thousands of people where many of them register to play through all your affiliate links at like 5 casinos. Say there are 2000 people using your links, and 500 of them use links for all your sites. You now have 4000 signups at 5 casinos. Say 20% of the ones who signed up through your shit are regulars who play for 300 each per month. If they all lose that, you now have 800 people who lost 300 each, totalling 240,000. If you’re left with 10%, you’re doing pretty damn good.

Of course the deals vary from casino to casino and streamer to streamer, but yeah, you can make what others make in a year every month.

Remember thats your gross income before expenses though, £20k a month is nothing special for a streamer. You could have a terrible month where your losses on stream exceed your affiliation income. Then a few of your signups could hit big wins to exacerbate this effect even further. That is of course assuming you are using real money and this is where the temptation to be less than honest comes in.

I am not saying its not a lucrative business because yeah when you are established with a following  a lot more than £20k+ is achievable. Roshtein in a corporation in that sense, he will be turning over millions.

 

 

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

Ok, here’s one for you: Have a look at his “deposit methods”. First of all I find it odd that he deposits with one source and withdraws with another. 2nd, I find it odd that he deposits with Trustly, cus according to the customer service at Casumo (I just asked them) it usually takes a few hours before the money is available in your casino account when you’ve deposited with Trustly. Sometimes it’s the next day.

This means Roshtein is the ONLY streamer I know who deposits the day before in order to be guaranteed to play the next day. I don’t actually know anyone who does it this way.

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

@awesomex And here I was trying to be conciliatory and humble. But I won’t be bated mate. If you really had an IQ of 180 we would be separated by 4 standard deviations. In other words, you wouldn’t bother with me and my fellow knuckle-dragging idiots on this forum. Of course I could be wrong (it happens all the time) and would be most interested to see evidence of your extraordinary claim. Shouldn’t be too hard to scan in your proof :).

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

awesomex wrote:

Ok, here’s one for you: Have a look at his “deposit methods”. First of all I find it odd that he deposits with one source and withdraws with another. 2nd, I find it odd that he deposits with Trustly, cus according to the customer service at Casumo (I just asked them) it usually takes a few hours before the money is available in your casino account when you’ve deposited with Trustly. Sometimes it’s the next day.

This means Roshtein is the ONLY streamer I know who deposits the day before in order to be guaranteed to play the next day. I don’t actually know anyone who does it this way.

And if you look at this screenshot from 2017, Roshtein was down 18k euros in a week there. According to many who watched his stream, that’s a normal week for him around that time. Now if that’s the case, 18k euros a week negative makes for 936,000 euros lost in a year. If affiliation is gonna cover that, it means he needs to bring in way over 10 million a year in net business for the casinos he promotes just to cover his losses. And if he’s got that kinda money to spend every month, he’s gotta have a million a year on top of that to spend on himself and his personal life. Atleast. So that means this skinny autistic child brings in over 20 million a year for the casinos he promotes. I mean, he gotta live off of something too, he cant spend it all on casinos. Surely if you need 1 million euros a year to cover your gambling losses, you’re gonna make atleast 2, or you’re a pretty retarded individual, right?

 

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

I was only asking for proof because awesomex said he had it lol.

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If someone has fake money to play with,and wins big.

Will that affect the RTP for legitimate players?

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

Yeah I was just asking for the undeniable proof to see what it was. ?

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Liberty wrote:

I was only asking for proof because awesomex said he had it lol.

I sees. There probably isn’t any, I can’t imagine what proof would be out there because of course any content creator only has to reveal what they choose. It intrigues me that fake streamers have become a hot topic since Paul’s video though; I always took it for granted there were many fake streamers and they are for the most part fairly easy to spot on at least balance of probability if not proof. I watch around 5 including Steve and Paul who I believe to be wholly genuine, real money gamblers and more importantly, I find them fun to watch. Even if e.g. Roshstein is real, his style and persona still turn me off like a granny’s sagging, wrinkled tits.

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argyl53 wrote:

Liberty wrote:

I was only asking for proof because awesomex said he had it lol.

I sees. There probably isn’t any, I can’t imagine what proof would be out there because of course any content creator only has to reveal what they choose. It intrigues me that fake streamers have become a hot topic since Paul’s video though; I always took it for granted there were many fake streamers and they are for the most part fairly easy to spot on at least balance of probability if not proof. I watch around 5 including Steve and Paul who I believe to be wholly genuine, real money gamblers and more importantly, I find them fun to watch. Even if e.g. Roshstein is real, his style and persona still turn me off like a granny’s sagging, wrinkled tits.

Hwy, there’s nothing wrong with sagging, wrinkled tits. I’ve got some of them. I think youngsters these days call them “Moobs” ( as in man boobs) ?

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