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[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

Rbreen91 wrote:

Don’t watch any streamer then…

Personally I enjoy watching it if the streamer is right. I like a cheeky big mac on occasion too (too many of these and you’ll be obese and die) and my god I love chocolate (oh chocolate) . None of those things are good for you tho but hey life’s too short and there are plenty of limitations to what we can do already.

 

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

If what roshtein does is manipulate customers that’s what they all do. And you shouldn’t watch any if you feel that way.

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

Mcdonalds manipulates customers

Cadbury manipulates customers

The vast majority of businesses manipulate customers.

That’s how they increase their bottom line. I am entertained by streamers.. I enjoy chocolate and mcdonalds.

I despised the lib dems for enabling the first 5 years of austerity, a leading cause of brexit, I vowed to never vote for them again and yet found myself doing it in the European elections as they were the best choice for my pov. I’m allowed to do all those things. That’s my freedom of choice.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

Well this is a long thread. ??

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

Liberty wrote:

Mcdonalds manipulates customers

Cadbury manipulates customers

The vast majority of businesses manipulate customers.

That’s how they increase their bottom line. I am entertained by streamers.. I enjoy chocolate and mcdonalds.

I despised the lib dems for enabling the first 5 years of austerity, a leading cause of brexit, I vowed to never vote for them again and yet found myself doing it in the European elections as they were the best choice for my pov. I’m allowed to do all those things. That’s my freedom of choice.

You’re arguing the same point as me here…

 

[Li Liberty WANTED $132 Outlaw]

Lol.. That’s why I didn’t understand where the conversation was going. My apologies.

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

Ok chaps, so I took on board what everyone has said about Roshtein’s credibility. But still I doubted that my own judgement could be so flawed. Here is his transaction history on casinos he plays, showing his deposits and withdraws. https://imgur.com/a/MafVwf7. Can this stuff easily be faked or is it more likely that he is legit?

I always consider what is more probable and it seems to me the balance is swinging in the legit direction.

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

With a second look though these deposits are from months ago 🙁

[awesomex WANTED $136 Outlaw]

PsychicSnail wrote:

With a second look though these deposits are from months ago ?

Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzyzO8qqdJk

[Anonymous WANTED $483 Inactive]

Everything can be faked if you know the right people and have enough Clowt!

Simply put.

[THEBARON WANTED $51 Outlaw]

that was interesting reading that i thought he was a legit streamer just well off and able to bet like he does learned a few things on here today like cheers awesomex

[Xbobmad WANTED $735 Outlaw]

I know nothing about neteller, it’s probably completely normal but the first screenshot shows the amount deposited in USD$ yet all the transactions and account balance on the other screenshots are in EUR€. Seems strange but there might be a genuine reason for that like Paypal used to do many years ago.

[mo morbustv WANTED $1 Outlaw]

awesomex wrote:

Hi,

First, let me introduce myself for those who don’t know me; I’m Asle Martinsen, a long time moderator for CasinoDaddy and CasinoGrounds. I have been a moderator on YouTube for 3 years now, and have had a close eye on the YouTube/Twitch gambling streamers. Through my years of experience I’ve become friends with a lot of streamers and regulars in the community, and I talk to many very frequently.

Now, let’s get on to Roshtein.
Someone I moderate for (I don’t wanna reveal his name) has an employee who works on their behalf to set up affiliate deals with new casinos. This person has showed me screenshots from a conversation between him and Roshtein, as well as screenshots of conversations between the casinos Roshtein represent and himself (the employee).
Here is one screenshot between a casino affiliate manager who contacted a representative for one of the streamers I moderate for:

Just the fact the casino affiliate manager was the one who made contact says a lot. They don’t go out looking for affiliates – affiliates contact the casinos. That’s the normal procedure.

Through conversations with reliable people, I have learned that Roshtein has operated with a deal where only 5% of the money he plays with is actually his, and he also has a max cashout of something like 5x the deposit amount. Meaning if it says Roshtein deposited €2000 with a 300% bonus (€8000 starting balance), he actually only deposited €100, and has a max cashout of €500. And that’s only with some casinos. With others he has another deal, where he plays exclusively with demo accounts. I know for a fact he’s got a very rigged deal specifically with N1 casino, where he puts absolutely no money down for any of his “deposits”.
The fucked up thing here is that when Roshtein hits tons of big wins, it takes a certain amount “out of the pot” (RTP), and since he keeps doing this over and over and over, without it being legitimate money, and he wins such huge amounts, these are potential wins taken out of the pot from other players. If he keeps playing €50 euro spins with the casino’s money and wins €100,000, that €100,000 is then out of the ~96% RTP “pot”. As you know, a certain “jackpot” hit combination, like 5 explorers on book of dead for example, is programmed to come only x amount of times per x amount of spins. Well, his hits takes tons of these out of the pot for regular players. RTP is of course calculated over like a few billion spins, but let’s look at how that actually works out: A huge majority of players spin at less than €1 stake. Most are probably at min stake, so let’s say 0.20 stake. €100,000 is the equivalent of 500,000 losing spins on 0.20 stake. Then imagine you do a €50 deposit at 0.20 stake, which is 250 times your stake. The math and logic is simple if you look at it this way.

There is a reason why nobody in the affiliate industry wants to be affiliated with Roshtein. Yes, he has a lot of viewers, but that’s cus he’s good at faking it.
If you go to youtube and look for the video where Slotspinner hits a 5 of a kind explorer on Book of Dead, notice his reaction and how he says “Is it ten-thousand?” – Then go look at Roshtein’s reaction at a later date, where he straight up copies Slotspinner’s reaction with a “Is it three-thousand?”. These two videos was like 3 months apart, with Roshtein’s being the later one.

It’s so blatantly obvious he’s just copying the best reactions from other streamers. And as he’s a good actor, he’s making a lot of naive people believe he’s legit.
Here’s another secret: When there are get-togethers for all the casino affiliates from all the various casinos, NOBODY wants to be seen with Roshtein, cus nobody likes him. The reason behind that is that he’s misrepresenting the industry, and shows people that carelessness pays off – just what someone scamming you wants you to think.
He also promoted casinos that gave a 400% deposit bonus, which is the model used by casinos who don’t have any of the regular providers, who nobody really knows about, and just come off as dodgy with a chat popup before you’ve even created an account, telling you about a “special offer” where you can deposit thousands and get 400% on top of that, which anyone can see is bullshit, as if a legit casino did this, it would be like handing out money for free. The casino industry does not hand out money for nothing, let me assure you of that.

I would love for eejit to come into this chat and make a comment about Roshtein as well, as everyone here knows eejit knows quite a lot about the industry. He can let you know what the casinos Roshtein works for are like.

I just had a look through the casinos Roshtein promotes, and here they are:
N1 Casino (mentioned above).
Ladyhammer (curacao casino, no MGA or UKGC license).

I can’t find more right now, but let’s talk about these two, and ask yourself these questions:
Have you ever seen these casinos before? Do any of the streamers you trust play there? Why do you think Roshtein is the only streamer to play at these casinos?

If you’re dumb enough to play at the casinos Roshtein promotes, don’t come crying on this forum when you don’t get your money due to some dodgy terms, or just a straight up bullshit casino.

i did deposit 100 euros on N1 won 2k euros. cashed out the cashout took 15-20 mins to go trough had the money on my bank acc the day after can even provide proof of that. but i think for sure rostein is dodgy

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

N1 are not necessariy a dodgy casino, they will pay players out. There arent many complaints about them from that point of view. But the practice of the deals streamers have is a different story. Rosh is 100% playing with mostly funded accounts, and in real life he wears exactly the same shite he does on stream. Seen him in Malta a few times.

[li ligarr WANTED $82 Outlaw]

PsychicSnail wrote:

I’ve been watching a fair amount of Roshtein recently and thought I would post my unbiased opinion. You lot may have already watched him and have your own thoughts, and if so please feel free to ignore this.

Well I heard a whole lot of trash talk about this Roshtein chap and even posted here asking people’s opinions. So, as I spend loads of time watching streams and in the absence of the esteemed Bandit, I thought I would give him a go. I was filled with preconceived ideas but well, I have to say I was dead wrong.

First off he is obviously an intelligent chap, keeps a clean channel, is entertaining, a bit zany but it’s not over the top and his scruffy duck dance had me cracked up. He certainly has the most professional and slick streaming presentation of any I’ve seen, by a distance. He has a massive viewer base, due to being so entertaining, streaming very regularly (12 hours a day 4/5 days a week), and of course the bet size.

Typically he bets £50 spins and this draws criticism and suspicion. Surely this must be casino or play money. Well in fact I’m convinced it isn’t.

As he has such a large viewer base he is able to command good deposit bonuses from casinos and has five 300% sticky bonuses per day. He generally deposits £2000 which gives him a working balance of £8000. The wagering requirement is 45x, which equates to £270K. So he does his £50 spins in the hope of hitting big, which he needs to if he is to meet the wager. Much less than this and he would be there all week trying to wager a single deposit. If he’s lucky he goes through the wager in about 4-6 hours.

Of course more often than not he pisses through the balance in half an hour and has to reload. Most days he loses, but does have the occasional big cash-out to keep him going. Affiliation also gives him a good supplementary income. He is totally transparent when it comes to his deposits and sources of income. He has hinted that he is comfortably off, but not rich. Well he’s a gambler, so that sort of goes without saying ? He has had two long breaks in the past where he has had to walk away due to overwhelming losses.

Another thing I like is that he doesn’t push his casinos. Unlike many streamers there isn’t the constant “click the links below to see my offers malarkey”. In fact he can go all stream without mention them once. They exist of course and I have no idea how the compare with other streamer’s offers. The points he gives out for 100x wins and viewing time can be exchanged for free spins and deposit bonuses I believe.

He only promotes a very small number of casinos (3-4). This obviously means he gets better treatment from them, but is also in a stronger position to advocate for people who sign up through him. He could sign up to more and get a large wedge quickly, but as he says, the reputation he is building is worth more than that in the long term.

He is addicted, no doubt about it. The emotion on display when he wins is genuine, and the losses hurt. When asked “should i gamble?” he always unequivocally says “No. Play slots and you will lose. No doubt.” I never get the feeling that he is trying to draw people in, just putting it out there, entertaining and earning a living.

Is he as entertaining as the Bandit? No chance :). But I would rate him above all the others. Slick and professional, he works hard for and deserves his success.

*Sorry mods, I posted this first without being logged in.

 

No Casino would give anyone 3x 300% bonuses per day and such large ones at that,they would lose a fortune….as we know it is rare to get decent reload bonuses nowadays and if we do they usually have a max bet or max cashout,his bonuses are as fake as can be…so for sure his cashouts have to be capped or its just all play money.

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