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6th June 2019 at 12:03 pm #68429
@argyl53 I think you’re right, these things can’t be left unchallenged. People often have these half baked ideas due to their small circle of friends or family influences. I’ve personally debated lots of conspiracy theorists in my time and have a similar takeaway. My own working hypothesis is that some people have a hole they need to fill, a need to believe something.
Religion and conspiracy theories are very similar in this regard, you can’t prove a negative. Theres nothing to say that I’m not hooked up to the matrix being used by aliens as a battery cell or that the world is flat or that I was created by God to expose conspiracy theories as the pish they are and enlighten people to the true path. Other than the balance of probability and my own experiences. If any of those things are true what would actually change in my existence on this planet? Nothing. Which is precisely what makes CTs/religion so enticing to some people.
It gives you a sense of inside knowledge, of a band of brothers fighting the true fight, that you are somehow special because you watched a YouTube video that told the truth that they are trying to hide from you. Haha..
Tl;Dr – its important to challenge nonsense when you hear it otherwise people will think it’s acceptable to speak it. It’s important to challenge yourself on your viewpoints so that you can continue to learn. Being wrong is only bad if you refuse to learn and grow.
Ok then @Liberty il bite ?
In no way does my opinion on certain conspiracies make me feel part of a brotherhood. And it certainly doesn’t make me feel superior towards pro baiters like yourself.
My opinions on how the world truly works actually scares me tbh. And I’d 100% rather not have these thoughts in my head.
But I do. And I like to share my thoughts. Maybe I go off sometimes. But I certainly don’t give sly digs or put downs like you do constantly to me.
Just cos I don’t agree with you, doesn’t make me a dumbass, or a numpty who believes everything he reads.
I go off evidence and fact finding just like you do mate.
And if I can’t find any conspiracy in a discussion, I simply won’t entertain the subject.
Every one of my theories I’ve posted have substance to them. Maybe some are a bit out there. But they all certainly deserve to be entertained or discussed.
Your blatant disregard of everyone who opposes your opinions is childish.
Atleast I say what ifs and maybe your rights.
You and the others just say Nope…Your Wrong!
Dicks!
6th June 2019 at 12:28 pm #68430I go off evidence and fact finding just like you do mate.
Every one of my theories I’ve posted have substance to them. Maybe some are a bit out there. But they all certainly deserve to be entertained or discussed.
Then why don’t you ever post the substance and evidence? Take the slot rigging idea for example; the majority of your posts have never amounted to any more substance than “all corrupt mate, where there’s money there’s corruption” and “prove to me they’re not rigged”. Neither of these things are evidence or substance. If you’ve got evidence of slot rigging, you’re yet to share it despite being invited to do so dozens of times.
And if I can’t find any conspiracy in a discussion, I simply won’t entertain the subject.
Well, that’s certainly true!
6th June 2019 at 12:36 pm #68432@LIberty Totally agree with that last post.
@Just Basics. Liberty wasn’t having a go at you personally. He was just pointing out some of the common traits of people who hold largely unsubstantiated world views. The religious are a good example of this, as within each belief is often the feeling they have a “truth” which will guarantee them eternal life and happiness, and those who don’t have it are somehow missing out on the grand prize. They all belong to the same “club”.
He is also correct when he says that you both need to challenge shite ideas when you find them and also challenge your own belief systems, whether they be religious or some daft conspiracy theory. In my experience, as a general rule, if you believe something because it just “feels right” from your limited perception of events, it’s often wrong. You may feel that God is real, the earth is flat, that global warming is hyped or that the slots are rigged because you’ve seen some compelling pattern of events.
If you don’t challenge yourself and stick dogmatically to your beliefs you will fail to learn. In short, others will view you as ignorant. In fact it’s almost the definition of ignorance.
Now that isn’t to say it’s wrong to propose some wacky view. At one time everyone was convinced the sun orbited the earth, until some wacky chap proposed otherwise and look at the trouble he got into with the church. But the thing is, his proposal was based on actual evidence. If someone had come along with evidence that he was wrong, he would have abandoned his wacky idea without hesitation.
You really should stop looking at everyone’s posts as an attack on you personally (as with Liberty’s post). I hope you don’t do this IRL, as generally, people are just expressing their opinions and you are far from their thoughts. You have to accept you just aren’t that important.
6th June 2019 at 12:52 pm #68434@just basics
It wasn’t aimed at you. Just a general overview of my thoughts on CTs.
I base my views on evidence not feelings. If someone provides me with (or I find) evidence that counters my views I investigate it and I’m always happy to hold up my hands a say I’m wrong because that means I’ve learned something.
Divide and rule is the name of the game, if you a busy staring at CTs you miss the most basic things. If they can get you to fear something then they can get you to fear something else. When you are afraid you’ll give up certain rights or at the very least allow rights to be taken from other parts of our society. It’s happening right now mate but you’re busy worrying about something else.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
6th June 2019 at 1:09 pm #68436Listen guys I totally understand your points of view on every subject here.
I haven’t disregarded any of it.
But you fail on a constant basis to realise. That if there were no people like me who question literally everything. Then nothing would be remedied.
The Big corps of the world would rule over us without being scared. And they would also never be caught out lying or cheating.
The world needs people like me and other questioners, to hit subjects hard with nothing but passion and morals, and to bite down with all there might on the fraudulent workings of the top dogs.
Im certainly not insecure or have my eyes closed to maybe thinking I’m totally wrong. But past tense shows that I’m totally right.
And this is why I question literally everything that seems too good to be true.
6th June 2019 at 1:24 pm #684376th June 2019 at 1:33 pm #68440^as above. This is the classic “fighting the good fight” complex I mentioned earlier jb.
6th June 2019 at 1:49 pm #68441The world needs people like me and other questioners, to hit subjects hard with nothing but passion and morals, and to bite down with all there might on the fraudulent workings of the top dogs.
The world needs sceptics and questioners, but you’re not one of them. I used to have a friend much like you; full of the same stuff, always going on about lying media, corrupt corporations, things not being as they seem. Like you, he saw himself as awake where everyone else was asleep, a righteous defender of the little man and eyes open to injustices no one else could see.
And like you, it was all bullshit. He wasn’t a sceptic and he didn’t judge things based on impartial analysis of evidence, he just lapped up and blindly swallowed anything which was anti-establishment. I remember once saying to him look mate, I’m not saying mainstream media don’t have an agenda, aren’t being bankrolled by people self promoting their own interests, or even that they don’t occasionally outright make up lies. I’m just saying zionistnewworldorder truth.org might also not be quite the reliable and impartial source of information you seem to think it is.
Loudly bleating about corrupt corporations and meeee-deeee-errrr doesn’t make you a shepherd, JB, it makes you one of the sheep.
116th June 2019 at 2:10 pm #68444The world needs people like me and other questioners, to hit subjects hard with nothing but passion and morals, and to bite down with all there might on the fraudulent workings of the top dogs.
The world needs sceptics and questioners, but you’re not one of them. I used to have a friend much like you; full of the same stuff, always going on about lying media, corrupt corporations, things not being as they seem. Like you, he saw himself as awake where everyone else was asleep, a righteous defender of the little man and eyes open to injustices no one else could see.
And like you, it was all bullshit. He wasn’t a sceptic and he didn’t judge things based on impartial analysis of evidence, he just lapped up and blindly swallowed anything which was anti-establishment. I remember once saying to him look mate, I’m not saying mainstream media don’t have an agenda, aren’t being bankrolled by people self promoting their own interests, or even that they don’t occasionally outright make up lies. I’m just saying zionistnewworldorder truth.org might also not be quite the reliable and impartial source of information you seem to think it is.
Loudly bleating about corrupt corporations and meeee-deeee-errrr doesn’t make you a shepherd, JB, it makes you one of the sheep.
Exactly. That ******* **** earlier was sharing conservapaedia as a reliable source of information earlier haha.
6th June 2019 at 3:19 pm #68453@justbasics
‘Socialism for the rich’: the evils of bad economics
Saw this and thought it would be right up your street. Let me know your thoughts.
6th June 2019 at 4:50 pm #68458Yeah alright then fellas.
Whatevs!
Just fuck off with your snide shit will ya.
I’m done with this now. Il just bow out gracefully. Or it will end up being another shit show here I end up getting banned.
id say well played but….some of you are just out to show your own superiority over me.
Have fun without me in this thread.
6th June 2019 at 4:57 pm #68460The world needs people like me and other questioners, to hit subjects hard with nothing but passion and morals, and to bite down with all there might on the fraudulent workings of the top dogs.
The world needs sceptics and questioners, but you’re not one of them. I used to have a friend much like you; full of the same stuff, always going on about lying media, corrupt corporations, things not being as they seem. Like you, he saw himself as awake where everyone else was asleep, a righteous defender of the little man and eyes open to injustices no one else could see.
And like you, it was all bullshit. He wasn’t a sceptic and he didn’t judge things based on impartial analysis of evidence, he just lapped up and blindly swallowed anything which was anti-establishment. I remember once saying to him look mate, I’m not saying mainstream media don’t have an agenda, aren’t being bankrolled by people self promoting their own interests, or even that they don’t occasionally outright make up lies. I’m just saying zionistnewworldorder truth.org might also not be quite the reliable and impartial source of information you seem to think it is.
Loudly bleating about corrupt corporations and meeee-deeee-errrr doesn’t make you a shepherd, JB, it makes you one of the sheep.
Argyl staying that he “used to have a friend” ?
Speaking like you do mate id say your scraping the barrel to find new ones right now.
sorry had to write that.
now I’m seriously out
peace
6th June 2019 at 5:00 pm #68461We’re not friends anymore because he got married and moved to Australia years ago ? good try though
6th June 2019 at 5:01 pm #68462Yeah alright then fellas.
Whatevs!
Just fuck off with your snide shit will ya.
I’m done with this now. Il just bow out gracefully. Or it will end up being another shit show here I end up getting banned.
id say well played but….some of you are just out to show your own superiority over me.
Have fun without me in this thread.
Can’t help thinking if “I’ll get you next time gadget” after seeing this ?.
Although of course in this case it’ll be “I’ll get you on the next ludicrous conspiracy theory thread gadget”. ?
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