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[Tricky0212 WANTED $82 Outlaw]

Dune2000 wrote:

And it starts

These guys don’t need a special thread – anywhere will do ?

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

Dune2000 wrote:

And it starts ?

Not for me it doesn’t. This is still midway through for me. When they get it and it stops, then it’s done.

You know when you walk into a room and there’s an argument already going and in seconds you think you understand and know who’s to blame. And then they jump into something that isn’t an argument and throw insults to create drama for kicks…

I wish this was all new to me. Cause then I’d be guilty of what they are trying to suggest to cover the fact they both break the rules and act as if they are holier than thou at the same time as claiming they are allowed to break the rules and do so.

If that makes any sense. Anyway, i said what I said because that’s exactly what I did. I can draw them a schematic if they want lol

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

Who is acting like they’re “holier than thou” with the exception of you?

I admit I’m a foul mouthed arsehole, and my opinions rub people up the wrong way. That’s fine by me, if it’s not liked, and I get kicked off the forum, so be it.

you are the only cunt who acts like they abide by the rules, whilst at the same time, making threads antagonising people, and being “offensive” (I’m not easily offended so I don’t care what’s aimed at me on that front), but you do this, and then claim that you’ve only done it to prove some unfounded point that you like to try hide behind, that you’re not a tosser.

You are a tosser, and the quicker you realise this, the better.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

Rbreen91 wrote:

That’s fine by me

#facepalm

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

Hashtag? Knew you were a 14 year old girl.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Im sorry but i have to comment here. this isnt fire-starting here Seedy but i think you need some assistance.

 

This site is growing, and get VERY busy when Steve posts a new video, especially a high stakes or RK video. Various threads start and all kind of things happen. Begging, complaints, destruction, hatred, name calling, viciousness the list goes on. I fall into that at times and thats on me.

However – there is no moderation on here. Checking in once every now and then and not starting discussions, or getting them back on track, is going to kill the forum.

As for members – I know 0 people on here personally. But you have people actively leading conversations calling people cunts, you have people making up random points to base arguments on, going against people with factual analysis, then starting all out wars if they arent listened to on their completely made up train of thoughts. Conspiracy theories are fine, but for the people replying to them with proof, they cant be called out, nor can reps from casinos. Im not saying show them love, but these reps will end up giving this forum a LOT of free stuff, Videoslots can arrange a bonus for BIAM members, Casumo can do a competition, Energy did Beat the Bandit, that all stems from numbers and respect.

Without the respect to treat each other with a modicum of respect, whats the point in even talking? Ill admit i am openly hostile at times if people are aggressive or warping the minds of others, and as for the guys promoting casinos to those on Gamban or Gamstop, they should be banned immediately. If someone has gone to that level to avoid gaming, someone throwing casinos they can use at them is morally reprehensible.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

I can rip that post to shreds on top of the fact you have done part of it yourself but let’s go with this instead :

What is a fully credible source ?

Someone who claims their fact or facts to be true ?
Someone who holds some sort of officialdom therefore cannot tell lies ?

The casino industry employee would never lie ?
The player would never lie ?
The government would never lie ?

[Eightblack WANTED $446 Outlaw]

Something like the office for national statistics would qualify as a credible source Mr B, here’s what I imagine your both talking about, I feel this is how debates should go moving forward, if you disagree with the stats below please show an equally credible source stating the statistics you believe to be true

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/008236numberofsuicideswherethedeathcertificatementionedgambleorgamblingenglandandwales2001to2016

[Seedy WANTED $1,244 Sheriff]

Ok eightblack is right that’s a credible source and any debate that’s wants to wave the FACT wand around has to provide it in link form and not links to newspapers or bullshit like that.

There are a few industry insiders on the forum giving you upfront information no insulting them. @eejit101 is one of them.

Things I don’t wanna see are people  calling each other a cunt please ?.

I also don’t wanna see threads made calling people out this isn’t a playground for children.

So play nice don’t incite shit and we can all get along.

If you  cant manage that then the exits are located at the logout button.

Any threads or posts I deem to break rules will be removed piss me off enough and I’ll just delete you..

So have a nice day everyone and let’s get along again please.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

Eightblack wrote:

Something like the office for national statistics would qualify as a credible source Mr B, here’s what I imagine your both talking about, I feel this is how debates should go moving forward, if you disagree with the stats below please show an equally credible source stating the statistics you believe to be true

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/008236numberofsuicideswherethedeathcertificatementionedgambleorgamblingenglandandwales2001to2016

Let’s get away from the gambling for a moment.

In 2017 my local council presented the official statistic that 6 people were homeless.  There is no link to prove otherwise, unless the local paper’s website or something as ‘official’ is brave enough to contradict the official statistic given. They weren’t.

So does that then ruin my credibility when I sit here and tell you that there were at least 80 homeless people that ‘we’ know about and over 200 people being fed at the local soup kitchen every day? This of course was in 2017.

I’m not sure what the current stats are which is irrelevant as the point is the source was a blatant lie.

Worse, if one person is sleeping in the windy rainy cold doorway with little more than a piece of cardboard to keep them from the cold ground, that in itself is absolutely wrong. That 80 or so people are doing similar and the official stat was a lie, is no less absolutely wrong and neither one nor 80 mean the debate is to be skipped trolled or ruined because it’s somehow ok.

In the past two years, numerous homeless people whom I personally know and were friends with, have lost their lives due to being homeless. Granted, there is more indepth “stuff” to their stories but had they not been homeless, they would not be dead.

Now back to the stat I shared. Not created, shared.

I echoed that early 2018, 44 lives were lost to suicide connected to gambling, in 6 weeks and provided a link to that source. Geezawin commented on it from a heartfelt point of view.

That link seems to have been removed. I have since been accused of not providing source. That source was an established newspaper website and sighted politicians as making that statement.

One member tried to command that the only credible source for gambling suicide is a coroner and that only (sic) 20 were recorded in 15 years, I think the numbers were. Coroners are tasked with cause of death, not reason for it. ‘mile in my shoes’ – Yes, if they have the knowledge at the time a report is created, they will undoubtedly add that detail but is it fair to say that may not always be the case ? I think so, given the stats I shared.

So to be totally clear, officials can and do lie and there is room for a debate on what is credible as acceptable source.

[Eightblack WANTED $446 Outlaw]

I hear what your saying and regarding the homeless situation in your town I have no idea, I do know the local councils will try to mask the problem though.. I have known a few people to be homeless and they did mostly suffer from substance abuse issues which led to their situation and what happened was they where given a place in a hostel which had a curfew and a complete ban on drugs/alcohol which for somebody with a hardcore drug problem was not an option so they slept rough with the “homeless community” so while these people are actually homeless, on paper they have a bed and therefor can’t be counted in the official statistic.. Which I agree is shady and misleading

 

With regards to the gambling suicide debate, the link I posted states 21 deaths in 15 years, I didn’t see the source linked by geeza but I’d look at it with an open mind but until I do see it I can only go on what the ONS says

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

To be clear, the homeless point (as shite as it is) was about the fact that the official statistic didn’t tell the truth. And I sighted the source, Geezawin replied about it so I assumed must have seen it. Stating something along the lines of how that really grounds the issue, or words to that effect. I do believe it was on the thread that was removed as I tried to search but cannot find it now.

 

[Eightblack WANTED $446 Outlaw]

I know what you meant and I sort of agree, I don’t think the official stats are wrong per se but i agree they can be made to be deliberately misleading, theresa may will tell you there are more people in work than ever, which is true but it also counts zero hour contracts who work an hour a month so it is <span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>misleading as fuck. </span>

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

Yea, and they did move the goalposts when it came to homelessness. I forget now how they did it but it was unacceptable to me and many who support the homeless. So we’re still left with no trustworthy source and in the most part find it doesn’t matter anyway because we all know there is suffering from gambling, lives ruined, families ruined and so on. I’m still not letting go of the crime funded gambling either.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Crime funded gambling?

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