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[Biohazard WANTED $675 Outlaw]

Duxsta wrote:

The fact that there is an active group of individuals working to shut down irresponsible gamblers is good…RocknRolla, Roshstein and others have been showing the worst side of gambling and others have followed and it’s time it stopped.

A lot of people seem to say “I watch so I don’t have to gamble”…would you suggest that to a heroin addict or an alcoholic? No. You wouldn’t. But this addiction is being glamourised and being put on a platform that is accessible to anyone, and for anyone to moan or complain should take a hard look at themselves and what exactly they are trying to promote.

 

Some guy videotaping the crack cocaine of gambling been shut down…? Good.

It’s a tricky subject, because the point that you’re actually making here when you strip everything back is that gambling is bad and should be illegal.

It’s addictive, yes (albeit subtly different to heroin as that is a chemical addiction and not a physiological addiction such as this one). But then by that logic, surely we should ban coca cola, coffee, chocolate and any other treats, snacks or food products containing things such as caffeine or sugar. There are plenty of things on this planet that are addictive to us, but just because a small percentage of people have a problem with said items doesn’t mean they should be banned for the entire population.

I agree that gambling shouldn’t be glamorised to the extent that only big wins are shown and the losses and RTP <100% aren’t highlighted, but I do not agree that all streams, videos and content around gambling should be uniformly banned.

[kingofpennies WANTED $15 Outlaw]

Duxsta wrote:

The fact that there is an active group of individuals working to shut down irresponsible gamblers is good…RocknRolla, Roshstein and others have been showing the worst side of gambling and others have followed and it’s time it stopped.

A lot of people seem to say “I watch so I don’t have to gamble”…would you suggest that to a heroin addict or an alcoholic? No. You wouldn’t. But this addiction is being glamourised and being put on a platform that is accessible to anyone, and for anyone to moan or complain should take a hard look at themselves and what exactly they are trying to promote.

 

Some guy videotaping the crack cocaine of gambling been shut down…? Good.

Duxsta I appreciate your entitled to your opinion,but what are you trying to achieve? I’ve read previous posts of yours and most have a heavy tone of criticism to them about gambling. If you don’t like the fact that Bandit promotes affiliate links and makes some money out it and the fact he gambles the way he wants to gamble what’s the point of posting on forums like these?

You’d do a far better job if you directed your energies elsewhere.

[sportsbetpunk WANTED $24 Outlaw]

There seems to be a lot of buthurt in this thread. For starters the Youtube videos are being removed due to an algorithm issue. Nickslots and other channels are gradually coming back online when a human looks into the removal. No doubt the Bandit and Stop and Step will return eventually.

Secondly if Rocknrolla wants to spend £20000 on Roulette and film it he can do, no one forces anyone to watch. If you are sensitive to gambling there is no need to watch. Everyone has the right to be irresponsible with their money if they see fit and people will have  different definition of what is ‘irresponsible’.

Thirdly affiliation, affiliate marketing is and has always been huge on the internet from gambling to tanning products, in the early days this was done under cloak and dagger but now most gamblers (at least) are up front about this. If you are clicking links on the internet without doing your research first then you are not a very competent internet user. If they are making money from referrals then all the best to them. Most of the criticism is borne out of jealousy.

People need to start taking responsibility for their own lives and actions instead of using the ‘blame’ culture for their own failings.

[mrbonus WANTED $9 Outlaw]

BUTHURT LOL made my night

[Mr MrMyers WANTED $2 Outlaw]

mrbonus wrote:

MrMyers wrote:

I have been reporting his channel along with several others for months. His, along with other gambling related videos are toxic to the Youtube community and they should not be gaining from it.

Dazza G and Stop and Step are just two of the most recent terminations we have secured as a result of our work and there will be more to come.

If you want to show your gambling wins, either to show off like an egocentric idiot or gain malicious money through other peoples losses through affiliates then do it on a plat form that isn’t a platform that caters for children.

Hi Mr Myers i am glad to see you here for a discussion i think that is a good thing welcome

I agree with you that gambling content should be clearly labelled  and affiliation should be clearly labelled as well.

But for me the main issue is adult content is allowed on you-tube and gambling is not illegal in the UK google who own you-tube gladly accept advertisements for online casinos and all-other forms of legalised gambling

there are a lot of things on you-tube that i dislike and think are dangerous to society and children that people  clearly make a lot of money out of on you-tube but as long as it is not illegal I am mature enough to know that for me to take action to disrupt what they are doing would be interfering with there civil rights  and there right to earn a living in any way they see fit.

almost every  thing you come into contact with online will have some sort of affiliation and unfortunately in most cases it wont be labelled as such that is a problem in all industries online.

the issue you raise about children most defiantly is none of your concern as it is all parents responsibly to monitor what children are consuming not Yours!

I personal enjoy watching casino streams And appreciate people like stop and step and the bandit that have made streams i like and would ask you not to be so dam arrogant as to tell me and the almost 40 thousand other people who were subscribed to those channels what we can and cant watch how dare You!

now there is really quick way to ban casino stream content on you-tube Just don’t search for it nobody ever found a casino stream by mistake! google and you tube are pretty smart Like that!

sounds to me like you may have had some issues with gambling and your trying to take out your anger on others can you stop your nonsense and just realise that anything that happened to you with gambling was your responsibility not others  Face it and stop trying to blame others! Really put your big boy pants on and Leave the rest of us alone! we each one of us will deal with our own demons I suggest you do to!

All I could gather from your long incoherent nonsense of a rant was that it is not my own responsibility to not to raise concern about children (considering I have my own) but all parents? If there an issue that invovles children then anybody can raise that concern.

English is not even my first language but if you are going to try and initiate a debate then please make valid points and not rant then attempt to offend me.

I actually have no issues with gambling and I actually only gamble within my limits when I go to the casino. Maybe once or twice a year at the most. Infact, I watch streamers regularly. It a matter of people trying to make their money in the wrong places and putting vulnerable people at risk.

[Mr MrMyers WANTED $2 Outlaw]

kingofpennies wrote:

Mr Myers,

You say that gambling is “toxic” but if you actually look at YouTube in its entirety there are lots of things on You Tube you should be reporting like the following:

1, Fashion and makeup bloggers- Don’t they encourage young and vulnerable people to conform to certain ideals which can lead to mental health issues.

2. Luxury travel bloggers- Aren’t these individuals rubbing your nose in something that you may never be able to afford and actually making you think of them in a negative light?

3, Entrepreneurs- selling you a lifestyle or an idea that may not actually be realistic?

4, Cooking videos- Lot’s of unhealthy options to make you the size of a house?

I could go on and on but you get the idea of where i’m coming from. People have a right to choose what they watch and what they do with their life. You can ban and restrict things all you want but in the end are you actually going to get something good from it???

The answer simply is NO, people make lifestyle choices and yes some of these may not conform to your beliefs or ideals but in the end you will never get people to change unless they are willing to do so.

 

 

Everything in this world comes with a degree of risk and I agree that most things in excess can become an issue.

The four things you mentioned can also be toxic, but if a child is education and raised correctly they will be taught of the risks of these and can do their own risk assessments and overcome any issues they may face. For example, a child learns how fashion works and will decide their own preferences within their boundries and they can decide for themselves if they seen a fashion style on a YT video if they will follow it. They are taught about nutrition and what foods they should and should not eat.

I am not some sort of crazy communist that wants to restrict what anyone can and cannot watch. If you want to spend your days fastinating about a win your favourite streamer got and that you most likely never will then go ahead but if you are an empathetic and understanding person then you would know that children are much more easily influenced and misled by things because they are still developing so it means that gambling content should not be a “child friendly” platform and it should be somewhere else for everyones sake.

[Mr MrMyers WANTED $2 Outlaw]

Duxsta wrote:

The fact that there is an active group of individuals working to shut down irresponsible gamblers is good…RocknRolla, Roshstein and others have been showing the worst side of gambling and others have followed and it’s time it stopped.

A lot of people seem to say “I watch so I don’t have to gamble”…would you suggest that to a heroin addict or an alcoholic? No. You wouldn’t. But this addiction is being glamourised and being put on a platform that is accessible to anyone, and for anyone to moan or complain should take a hard look at themselves and what exactly they are trying to promote.

 

Some guy videotaping the crack cocaine of gambling been shut down…? Good.

Exactly. It is a shame that most other people do not understand or share our views and they only want to add fuel to the fire of this toxic environment on Youtube.

And they believe this algorithm nonsense that has been fed to them by who? Yes! The streamers that they worship. Youtube has not suspended these channels through an algorithm error at all (really? out of millions of reported videos ONLY gambling ones are targeted). Nonsense.

We are an active community who submit complaints with evidence and reports of gambling content to Youtube’s offices directly. None of this reporting system stuff on Youtube, that does not work and the channels will remain up. Send me a PM if you want to be involved!

[mrbonus WANTED $9 Outlaw]

I am not trying to insult you  i will clear up my incoherence although i believe there is none

1: If a parent gives children devices that are not fully fully monitored that is bad parenting its a parents responsibility to make sure their kids can’t access inappropriate content and if they do it should be discussed with them by the parents. so from that point of view there is no need for you to protect children that is the job of the parent!

2: I agree casino content should be age labelled and affiliation should be declared

3: you-tube is a commercial for profit operation that allows gambling content if you if you don’t like it dont watch it

4: I felt reading between the lines of what you said your anger is about people making money from affiliation not your concerns about people’s safety. for example stop and step who you proudly say you got band had one of the lowest affiliation link ratios of any streamer and hardly ever asked anyone to follow a link! he was one of the more responsible steamers.

i believe if you were really concerned about making things better you would have opened a dialogue with the people concerned!

I dont get this trying to ban things? Be part of the solution what rules do you think would help people stream better? give me an example of what you think a streamers code of conduct should be?

[Anonymous WANTED $55 Inactive]

MrMyers,

Get a frigging life you pompous bellend.  Who the hell do you think you are?

Take your oppinions to mumsnet, you will probably fit in very well there.

[Mr MrMyers WANTED $2 Outlaw]

MurciPete wrote:

MrMyers,

Get a frigging life you pompous bellend.  Who the hell do you think you are?

Take your oppinions to mumsnet, you will probably fit in very well there.

Now I know you can’t have a reasonable debate or refrain from being a impulsive keyboard warrior but don’t be a bigoted idiot. I also know you have probably never worked an honest day in your life and the closest you will ever come to being wealthy is having that car in your profile picture! So you can go away because you and your opinion is irrelevent to this debate.

[Mr MrMyers WANTED $2 Outlaw]

mrbonus wrote:

I am not trying to insult you  i will clear up my incoherence although i believe there is none

1: If a parent gives children devices that are not fully fully monitored that is bad parenting its a parents responsibility to make sure their kids can’t access inappropriate content and if they do it should be discussed with them by the parents. so from that point of view there is no need for you to protect children that is the job of the parent!

2: I agree casino content should be age labelled and affiliation should be declared

3: you-tube is a commercial for profit operation that allows gambling content if you if you don’t like it dont watch it

4: I felt reading between the lines of what you said your anger is about people making money from affiliation not your concerns about people’s safety. for example stop and step who you proudly say you got band had one of the lowest affiliation link ratios of any streamer and hardly ever asked anyone to follow a link! he was one of the more responsible steamers.

i believe if you were really concerned about making things better you would have opened a dialogue with the people concerned!

I dont get this trying to ban things? Be part of the solution what rules do you think would help people stream better? give me an example of what you think a streamers code of conduct should be?

Thanks for your reply.

I understand now. Before I continue, it is not just one concern of mine, it is multiple concerns of not just mine but multiple others.

1) Yes, but as mentioned, children need a degree of freedom when they reach a certain age, and they should have it in a safe environment. There is only so much they can watch on the childrens Youtube and I actively take an interest in what my children watch. So when you say “there is no need for you to protect children” is not true, I have my own children to actively protect and if another child was in danger I would protect them also because they can’t always do it themselves and unless you have children of your own then you probably won’t understand.

 

2. I partly agree. I think gambling toxic content should be removed from Youtube as a whole. By toxic I mean videos encouraging gambling, people gambling dangerously or using affialites or monetising their videos. I think the only comprimise I would agree with would be that it should be restricted to over 18’s, reviewed by staff for malicious content and all allifilates links removed and disabled commenting.

3. Yes, some of which highlights the dangers of gambling and could be considered good content. It should not show streamers or creators trying to make a quick buck off other peoples downfalls.

4. As I mentioned, there a multiple reasons why it should not be on Youtube. It isn’t just one singular issue.

I think if Youtube tightly regulated good gambling content from malicious and dangerous content then it would be acceptable, but only if it was age restricted, no affilate links or encoragement of gambling and possible disabling of commenting. This would be a good solution.

There are also many places you can watch gambling videos or live streaming of gambling. So why does it become a massive issue when Youtube accounts are terminated? It’s not the end of the world for the viewers, it just hits the streamers where it hurts because they now wont profit as much from peoples losses and addictions.

 

 

[mrbonus WANTED $9 Outlaw]

MrMyers

cool mate i suppose we just see things differently i believe affiliation is the best thing that ever happened to online casinos because the people who stream are driven to find the best casinos and offers for their viewers (if they send them to shady places people soon catch on and call them out just read this forum then they loose there viewers) if you look at the casinos that are becoming the most successful in the UK  it is the ones that are disrupting the marketplace by giving the lowest wagering for bonuses and the quickest debit card withdrawal times and a large selection of highly regulated high RTP games

the people who are searching for this content are going to gamble any way and want suggestions about were to play if you look at the evolution of online gambling in the UK the changes in the last few years have been dramatic for the better gone are the days of the big four bookmakers ripping people off with low rtp white label slots and 7-14 day withdrawal times Streamers let people see what is actually happening in online casinos and in doing so make casinos much more accountable!

if someone spends 8 hours making and editing a video that i want to watch i have no issue if they make money from affiliation

Personally if i join a new casino i look for an affiliate link rather than go direct as it makes me happy that someone can get some benefit apart from the casino i see it as part of my collateral that i can do with as i please.

I think the best place for streaming is out in the open on you-tube and to push it underground is the worst thing in the long-run for all concerned its here to stay so best out in open

Ps this is my last post on this issue as it seams one could have this same argument permanently on a daily basis on this forum and it is really tiring i think I have made my point of view clear!

other than that i wish you all the best

[Mr MrMyers WANTED $2 Outlaw]

mrbonus wrote:

MrMyers

cool mate i suppose we just see things differently i believe affiliation is the best thing that ever happened to online casinos because the people who stream are driven to find the best casinos and offers for their viewers (if they send them to shady places people soon catch on and call them out just read this forum then they loose there viewers) if you look at the casinos that are becoming the most successful in the UK  it is the ones that are disrupting the marketplace by giving the lowest wagering for bonuses and the quickest debit card withdrawal times and a large selection of highly regulated high RTP games

the people who are searching for this content are going to gamble any way and want suggestions about were to play if you look at the evolution of online gambling in the UK the changes in the last few years have been dramatic for the better gone are the days of the big four bookmakers ripping people off with low rtp white label slots and 7-14 day withdrawal times Streamers let people see what is actually happening in online casinos and in doing so make casinos much more accountable!

if someone spends 8 hours making and editing a video that i want to watch i have no issue if they make money from affiliation

Personally if i join a new casino i look for an affiliate link rather than go direct as it makes me happy that someone can get some benefit apart from the casino i see it as part of my collateral that i can do with as i please.

I think the best place for streaming is out in the open on you-tube and to push it underground is the worst thing in the long-run for all concerned its here to stay so best out in open

Ps this is my last post on this issue as it seams one could have this same argument permanently on a daily basis on this forum and it is really tiring i think I have made my point of view clear!

other than that i wish you all the best

Of course, I see you have some valid points.

I think if it was pushed elsewhere then it could be made worse, but it could also be better for everyone and unless that happens, we won’t know.

I understand that SOME streamers show how some casinos operate and try to enforce the dangers and risks to their viewers which is good but I think some streamers completely ruin it for the ones who at least try to do things honestly and legitimately.

For example, Dazza G promoted a casino that was corrupt and known for conning people, it was nothing short of a rogue casino and he actively promoted it whilst admitting he had mental health problems and constantly gambled dangerously and got aggressive (even hitting himself and objects at times). He claimed he was a legitimate streamer and there was nothing wrong with his content on Youtube. When he was interviewed on Youtube, he went to an extreme effort to conceal his face so you could not see what he looked like and to hide his identity. He contradicted himself numerous times also. This video can be found easily on Youtube.

I know this debate can go on and on forever and this is the most common ground that we will find. We will continue to take down any malicious gambling channels first before going after the others.

I will not continue with this debate from now either as it seems nothing will come from it

I wish you the best also. Take care.

[Anonymous WANTED $55 Inactive]

Why is everyone pandering to this Jerk?

MrMyers, You think I have never worked an honest day?    So you think I am dishonest?   Where are you getting your information from dickhead?    I don’t have a picture of my car up to show wealth, I have it up because I like cars. My Chanel Maseratipete on YouTube should show that.  Anyway what has wealth got to do with anything?     You also say I’m a bigot?  Wtf?   To be honest I don’t even know why I’m responding to you.  Your clearly a fucktard.

[ianh21 WANTED $14 Outlaw]

mrbonus wrote:

BUTHURT LOL made my night

totally agree.

if you don’t agree with gamblers spending their cash on massive bets, why the hell are you logged in to the bandits slot channel and watching rocknrollas and others channels.  i love watching these massive bets as although i bet frequently and within my means (i’m a 20/25/30p player) i love the ride it gives me shoutings at my screen.

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