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18th July 2019 at 1:25 pm #74649
I don’t gamble, not at least anymore but with all the this supposed fake money being around. The questions that I’ve asked, does the machine still thinks it is getting cash even though the provider (BTG, Netent, Elk, etc) won’t know this is fake money so in turn if the person with fake money get’s a big cash out. This in turn destroys the RTP for people playing with real cash? I don’t know if this is how it would work but I’m 90% sure it would work this way. Obviously if they get 10k fake money and lose it, this is then 10k better of for the RTP for the real players.
I think one of the best ways to stop fake money is to contact the providers as it makes their slots look bad in the end. Then the providers could force the casinos out from using fake money. Then again are providers paid a fix contract or do they get a % based on the money the casino returns from their site?
I do believe there are bigger concerns with fake money than just inticing people to sign-up and start gambling as it will effect everyone playing that shit.
This isn’t how a online slot works.
Each spin is a unique event completely unrelated to any other spin.
The simplest way to understand it is imagine you’re playing a slot with an RTP of 95%. You hit spin, the casino asks the slot provider for the result of your spin. In the background a huge roulette wheel spins with 100 numbers on it. 95 of them give you your money bank and 5 of them take it.
Now the reality is there are millions of numbers on the wheel and some are 100x plus wins, some are bonuses, some are smaller wins and plenty of them are losses (oh and it’s not a roulette wheel) but the point is that if you added up all the results and divided them by the number of possible results you’d end up with 95% of your stake.
Every time you hit spin you get one of these results randomly and it doesn’t take into account your stake, the number of spins you’ve had, who else is playing it, who else had won or lost. It’s just a completely random event, much like a roulette spin.
I hope this helps.
It definitely dose take into account the stake size. No one is ever hitting a 1000x on the silly stakes. It’s just never going to happen.
On the big win page some wins are 8000x no one is letting that hit on stakes bigger then 5quid possible less
That’s simply not true.
18th July 2019 at 1:58 pm #74651I don’t gamble, not at least anymore but with all the this supposed fake money being around. The questions that I’ve asked, does the machine still thinks it is getting cash even though the provider (BTG, Netent, Elk, etc) won’t know this is fake money so in turn if the person with fake money get’s a big cash out. This in turn destroys the RTP for people playing with real cash? I don’t know if this is how it would work but I’m 90% sure it would work this way. Obviously if they get 10k fake money and lose it, this is then 10k better of for the RTP for the real players.
I think one of the best ways to stop fake money is to contact the providers as it makes their slots look bad in the end. Then the providers could force the casinos out from using fake money. Then again are providers paid a fix contract or do they get a % based on the money the casino returns from their site?
I do believe there are bigger concerns with fake money than just inticing people to sign-up and start gambling as it will effect everyone playing that shit.
This isn’t how a online slot works.
Each spin is a unique event completely unrelated to any other spin.
The simplest way to understand it is imagine you’re playing a slot with an RTP of 95%. You hit spin, the casino asks the slot provider for the result of your spin. In the background a huge roulette wheel spins with 100 numbers on it. 95 of them give you your money bank and 5 of them take it.
Now the reality is there are millions of numbers on the wheel and some are 100x plus wins, some are bonuses, some are smaller wins and plenty of them are losses (oh and it’s not a roulette wheel) but the point is that if you added up all the results and divided them by the number of possible results you’d end up with 95% of your stake.
Every time you hit spin you get one of these results randomly and it doesn’t take into account your stake, the number of spins you’ve had, who else is playing it, who else had won or lost. It’s just a completely random event, much like a roulette spin.
I hope this helps.
It definitely dose take into account the stake size. No one is ever hitting a 1000x on the silly stakes. It’s just never going to happen.
On the big win page some wins are 8000x no one is letting that hit on stakes bigger then 5quid possible less
That’s simply not true.
@kingpab that’s not true. The reason you see wins of high X multiples on lower stakes and rarely see them on higher ones is simply that more people play on the lower stakes so it’s more likely that the long shot will come in because more spins are happening.
That’s not to say that someone couldn’t load up a brand new machine and put it on £40 spins and hit a 10000x win on that first spin. It could absolutely happen and is as likely to happen on the first spin as the millionth spin and indeed on any in-between or after.
Honestly, while the roulette analogy isn’t perfect it’s a simplistic model on how online slots work. Everyone knows how roulette works right? Well online slots use the same probability to create a built in return. A slot machine can be loser for a casino but over timeb it will be a winner.
18th July 2019 at 2:03 pm #74652Think of it this way. If you put £1000 on one number on roulette .You win or lose, you have 36k or 0.
If you put £1 on the same number 1000 times you’ll likely see your number come in quite a bit.
It’s the same general terms as to why you don’t see loads of huge wins on huge stakes, less people are playing at the higher stakes so there’s less chance of the hit coming in.
18th July 2019 at 2:05 pm #74653Can see your point mate but slots don’t take into account spin size , it’s just loads of people do small stakes so more big wins show up with small stakes
about the only person I have seen doing a lot of huge spins is roshtein (yeah I know ) and he does get the big stupid wins and the big stupid win can come in on the first spin or take ages just like what normally happens
18th July 2019 at 3:33 pm #74661I like what you say op
I’m no longer a gambler but I used to play exclusively 20p/40p and I’m easily 100k down in my lifetime.. With exception to the bandit who shows his reel king/swarm luck I find it very hard to believe a man who doesn’t have a job can play multiple losing sessions in excess of a grand a week and not batter an eyelid
It’s just not how slots work
18th July 2019 at 4:28 pm #74662Can see your point mate but slots don’t take into account spin size , it’s just loads of people do small stakes so more big wins show up with small stakes
about the only person I have seen doing a lot of huge spins is roshtein (yeah I know ) and he does get the big stupid wins and the big stupid win can come in on the first spin or take ages just like what normally happens
Hmmm the problem I have is that Roshtein gets big wins but actually in comparison to the bet size aren’t big at all. I saw him go crazy once winning £10,000 (of course a huge win for most people!) but his stake size was £50 so that’s only 200x. I’m convinced Bet size does matter as the amount of max £40 fail bonuses I’ve seen in Danger is unreal, like winning as little as 5-10x!! It’s easy to say more people play lower stakes but streamers don’t and I’ve only seen them hit crazy big on big volatile slots like Dead or alive 2. Have you ever seen Rostein hit a 1,000x when playing on £100? You know £100,000….
18th July 2019 at 5:07 pm #74663I like what you say op
I’m no longer a gambler but I used to play exclusively 20p/40p and I’m easily 100k down in my lifetime.. With exception to the bandit who shows his reel king/swarm luck I find it very hard to believe a man who doesn’t have a job can play multiple losing sessions in excess of a grand a week and not batter an eyelid
It’s just not how slots work
I’d be interested in knowing how full time streamers stay above water too..
I was watching Craigslots stream live and he was saying he made 2k for a month through affiliation iirc (could be wrong on this) which obviously won’t cover the costs of streaming full time but seeing as he does weekly videos when he doesn’t go missing and around £500 deposits it works out that it covers his online sessions although he was saying it doesn’t and if he didn’t work he would have to stop .
While Rolla was streaming last night and showing how much he makes from it and Tbh considering Rolla is probably one of the most popular streamers his figures were pretty low making £200 from affiliation over a month and having less than 5 people sign up over a 3 month period I think he said he had 3 people sign up through his link in a month although it could have been 3 months. (apologies I was pretty combo’d watching the stream). It was a little shocking but then Rolla doesn’t really push affiliation and a lot of the codes he has on his sites don’t work as I have tried to sign up to a few casinos with his links a few months back but gave up in the end.
Chip is different to both Craig and Rolla though, it’s his full time job and he does it 5 days a week normally and often puts in £500 per stream although if he busts fast he tends to pop another £500 in and normally will withdraw and end the stream when he breaks even or goes bust. You’ll see him do 1k deposits but that’s normally after a winning session. I would guess that Chip makes a lot more from affiliation than Rolla and Craig as Rolla doesn’t push it like I said and Craig just isn’t as consistent or popular. I’ve also heard that he pays his daughter to edit his videos and gives Jord 10% of any wins they have and in his recent video he was saying he doesn’t have many sites left now where he makes on people’s losses he just gets paid for signing people up.
My guess is he is just playing smart. Like I said he tends to walk after a redeposit when he breaks even which he can then use for the next stream add on affiliation money as well as YT and twitch revenue and no doubt savings he’s accumulated from working. Even so I’d still be interested in knowing how much he makes on average per month from all his affiliated sites since I’m a nosey bastard.
He does have winning sessions too don’t forget he hit 16k on Primal not too long ago which probably paid for a couple of months of streaming.
118th July 2019 at 5:27 pm #74664I may be wrong about that 16k primal hit but he did have a good month in June with decent wins on primal, jamming jars and a few other games. Can’t really check right now as my break just finished, back to work!
18th July 2019 at 5:34 pm #74665Can see your point mate but slots don’t take into account spin size , it’s just loads of people do small stakes so more big wins show up with small stakes
about the only person I have seen doing a lot of huge spins is roshtein (yeah I know ) and he does get the big stupid wins and the big stupid win can come in on the first spin or take ages just like what normally happens
Hmmm the problem I have is that Roshtein gets big wins but actually in comparison to the bet size aren’t big at all. I saw him go crazy once winning £10,000 (of course a huge win for most people!) but his stake size was £50 so that’s only 200x. I’m convinced Bet size does matter as the amount of max £40 fail bonuses I’ve seen in Danger is unreal, like winning as little as 5-10x!! It’s easy to say more people play lower stakes but streamers don’t and I’ve only seen them hit crazy big on big volatile slots like Dead or alive 2. Have you ever seen Rostein hit a 1,000x when playing on £100? You know £100,000….
Herein lies the problem. You are convinced that stake size matters and as such nothing will convince you that it doesn’t because you’ve made up your mind.
Much as Brexit supporters are convinced it’s going to be good for us, religious people are convinced there is a God who watches over us and flat earthers are convinced that… Well that’s self explanatory. Nothing any of us say will change your mind.
Peace out.
18th July 2019 at 9:21 pm #74680Can see your point mate but slots don’t take into account spin size , it’s just loads of people do small stakes so more big wins show up with small stakes
about the only person I have seen doing a lot of huge spins is roshtein (yeah I know ) and he does get the big stupid wins and the big stupid win can come in on the first spin or take ages just like what normally happens
Hmmm the problem I have is that Roshtein gets big wins but actually in comparison to the bet size aren’t big at all. I saw him go crazy once winning £10,000 (of course a huge win for most people!) but his stake size was £50 so that’s only 200x. I’m convinced Bet size does matter as the amount of max £40 fail bonuses I’ve seen in Danger is unreal, like winning as little as 5-10x!! It’s easy to say more people play lower stakes but streamers don’t and I’ve only seen them hit crazy big on big volatile slots like Dead or alive 2. Have you ever seen Rostein hit a 1,000x when playing on £100? You know £100,000….
I just typed roshtein big win in youtube and the 1st video that came up was a x2142 win on book of dead 50 euro stake….. so yeah
19th July 2019 at 12:01 am #74666@liberty Lol I’m not like Just Basics. I always will listen to other people’s opinions but the only thing you’ve said as “proof” is that more people play low stakes that’s why you only see 1000x+ wins on low stakes. Do you have any actual proof?
1000x hits are of course rare but NOT that rare. I would imagine most gamblers on this site have hit 1000x at some point, probably more than once. Considering how much Roshtein streams (sometimes up to like 12 hours a day!) you would expect him to get occasional 1000xs. But he doesn’t. Why? Like I say he gets big wins but they are only big because of the huge stake. Pisses me off when chat is going mad with congrats over a £2000 hit that’s like 40x in his stakes?
19th July 2019 at 2:53 am #74704I don’t gamble, not at least anymore but with all the this supposed fake money being around. The questions that I’ve asked, does the machine still thinks it is getting cash even though the provider (BTG, Netent, Elk, etc) won’t know this is fake money so in turn if the person with fake money get’s a big cash out. This in turn destroys the RTP for people playing with real cash? I don’t know if this is how it would work but I’m 90% sure it would work this way. Obviously if they get 10k fake money and lose it, this is then 10k better of for the RTP for the real players.
I think one of the best ways to stop fake money is to contact the providers as it makes their slots look bad in the end. Then the providers could force the casinos out from using fake money. Then again are providers paid a fix contract or do they get a % based on the money the casino returns from their site?
I do believe there are bigger concerns with fake money than just inticing people to sign-up and start gambling as it will effect everyone playing that shit.
This isn’t how a online slot works.
Each spin is a unique event completely unrelated to any other spin.
The simplest way to understand it is imagine you’re playing a slot with an RTP of 95%. You hit spin, the casino asks the slot provider for the result of your spin. In the background a huge roulette wheel spins with 100 numbers on it. 95 of them give you your money bank and 5 of them take it.
Now the reality is there are millions of numbers on the wheel and some are 100x plus wins, some are bonuses, some are smaller wins and plenty of them are losses (oh and it’s not a roulette wheel) but the point is that if you added up all the results and divided them by the number of possible results you’d end up with 95% of your stake.
Every time you hit spin you get one of these results randomly and it doesn’t take into account your stake, the number of spins you’ve had, who else is playing it, who else had won or lost. It’s just a completely random event, much like a roulette spin.
I hope this helps.
It definitely dose take into account the stake size. No one is ever hitting a 1000x on the silly stakes. It’s just never going to happen.
On the big win page some wins are 8000x no one is letting that hit on stakes bigger then 5quid possible less
You are one of the ones that obviously knows nothing about how slots work,Its pretty obvious only a very small % of players play at £10+ stakes so of course its rare to see them hit big(but does happen,i mean jarttu hit 85k on DoA2 recently on £18 stakes),but 1000s upon 1000s play at 20p-£2 stakes so obviously they are the wins we see loads of.
19th July 2019 at 2:59 am #74705Can see your point mate but slots don’t take into account spin size , it’s just loads of people do small stakes so more big wins show up with small stakes
about the only person I have seen doing a lot of huge spins is roshtein (yeah I know ) and he does get the big stupid wins and the big stupid win can come in on the first spin or take ages just like what normally happens
Hmmm the problem I have is that Roshtein gets big wins but actually in comparison to the bet size aren’t big at all. I saw him go crazy once winning £10,000 (of course a huge win for most people!) but his stake size was £50 so that’s only 200x. I’m convinced Bet size does matter as the amount of max £40 fail bonuses I’ve seen in Danger is unreal, like winning as little as 5-10x!! It’s easy to say more people play lower stakes but streamers don’t and I’ve only seen them hit crazy big on big volatile slots like Dead or alive 2. Have you ever seen Rostein hit a 1,000x when playing on £100? You know £100,000….
Although Roshtein is probably a fake money user,yes i have seen him hit massive things so you are totally wrong,he hit 82k from a £9 spin just a few weeks ago.
119th July 2019 at 3:00 pm #74723@ligarr yeah he does hit big occasionally I just feel considering how much wager and time he does their should be more 1000x plus hits. That hit was on Dead or Alive 2 which is crazy high variance and I think he did like 195 bonuses or something before he hit it lol (at -£40-50K)
not bad profit if you can afford to wager and lose £50k haha
maybe it is a gamblers fallacy but I can’t shake the fact I feel I’ve won big in the past when I’ve lowered my stakes rather than increased them
19th July 2019 at 3:13 pm #74724For example previously I’ve hit 3 different 800-900x hits on Reactoonz on £5 stakes. I find it really hard to believe that if I was playing on max £100 stakes I’d been winning £80K-£100K 3 different times…
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