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[Iz Izattm WANTED $18 Outlaw]

I am beginning to give up on Mr B. The irony in his posts is unbelievable, on one hand saying everyone should be open minded and take Into account every factor etc, yet on the other hand he fails to even acknowledge other people’s views an opinions, by claiming they are narrow minded. How he cannot see his original post was suggestive, at best, is beyond me. The fact that he has posted that he takes “no blame” for the fact his thread has gone off topic just seals the deal for me.

[Malkychamp WANTED $486 Outlaw]

Dune2000 wrote:

Malkychamp wrote:

Yes i agree they most likely don’t care if it fills there pockets. Again this may seem obvious too you as the poster but at 1st read we can only make our own assumptions on the post. If i am honest my 1st thoughts were this was a chat was between you and a casino live chat agent. Have since found out this is not the case but i hope you can see how at 1st glance how it might come across that way.

Yep, I drew that conclusion pretty early, and I think some people still don’t realise it.  In summary it wasn’t Mr B being a total dick to worker, it was just a cut and paste from the internet

No disrespect to Mr B, but he gets a bit deep into it sometimes and people have difficulty drawing out the point of the thread.  That’s not because Mr B is dumb or his readers are obtuse, its just a different way of interpreting things.   Which then generates confusion, anger and conflict as every side thinks the other side is taking a pop at them

Yeah. Am not going to say how MrB should write his posts but for dumb dumbs like me i need more information or i wont get it 😀

[whoswho WANTED $116 Outlaw]

What’s strange is the person who agreed with mr B/stuck up for him, has only ever posted one time and that one time happened to defend me B.

Are they one in the same?

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

So….sincerely asking here….what actually is the point of this thread? That casinos don’t have any cares or concerns other than their bottom line? That gambling addiction has had devastating impacts on people’s lives which has spilled over on to the lives of their loved ones and those around them? That it’s even resulted in suicide, violent crime and other highly unpleasant things?

Well presumably we’re all in agreement about that. In other news, bears shit and you won’t believe where.

I took flak from some posters (I think including Mr B, I’d have to go back and check) basically for pointing this out, that casinos are businesses and don’t care in the least where their money comes from. I was accused of “defending the casinos”, because I made the point that this is exactly why regulation including KYC and AML exists and that’s why you get asked to send in all sorts of documents before they pay out. It’s precisely because the casinos wouldn’t verify your identity, or want to know where you’re getting the money you deposit from. They’d be very happy to accept stolen money, money you can’t afford, money from crime being laundered and all the rest of it. And indeed they’d be happy to find an excuse to not pay your winnings if they could get away with it.

But as a society and legal framework we put things in place to stop it and curb what you call this “dark side” of gambling. That’s why the verification procedures exist, it’s why all UK online casinos must be partnered with an independent dispute resolution mediator, it’s why support structures like Gamstop and Gamcare are available, it’s why gambling addiction treatment is available through both the NHS and private charities. It’s also why you have to send in proof of ID, proof of address, proof of card ownership and sometimes proof of income.

How can you have it both ways? How can it be simultaneously both unacceptably outrageous that casinos need to know who you are and also they don’t do enough to know who you are? If anything, you seem to be arguing for even tighter regulation of the industry and yet you’re the first to complain when they want so much as a copy of your passport, let alone whatever assurances you have in mind to prove you’re not a depressed addict on the verge of suicide.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

whoswho wrote:

What’s strange is the person who agreed with mr B/stuck up for him, has only ever posted one time and that one time happened to defend me B.

Are they one in the same?

I’m every slim shady, including you. If you think I need to self validate on a forum owned by someone I respect enough to be honest and truthful, you’ve missed the boat. Sure, it’s completely possible for staff here to see what IP each user is logged in with but it’s not rocket science to have two different connections. I’m afraid you’ll have to either take me at my word or think I am that shallow when it comes to a debate as serious as this.

I could create an account here that has the same username as you. But that would be truly childish.

Izattm wrote:

I am beginning to give up on Mr B. The irony in his posts is unbelievable, on one hand saying everyone should be open minded and take Into account every factor etc, yet on the other hand he fails to even acknowledge other people’s views an opinions, by claiming they are narrow minded. How he cannot see his original post was suggestive, at best, is beyond me. The fact that he has posted that he takes “no blame” for the fact his thread has gone off topic just seals the deal for me.

If the following image is what you got from post one, then please do give up on me.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

Argyl, they don’t need 75 different types of ID, they do need to care when someone gets in too deep. Imagine some bookies have multiple deaths to profit from in the next week alone.

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

Dune2000 wrote:

Mr B wrote:

It truly does come across as if the industry doesn’t give a flying [bleep]. I mean, they don’t.

Not sure it is there problem or whether it actually should be.   That sounds harsh, but fast cars cause road deaths, fast food causes obesity and diabetes, alcohol causes liver damage, tobacco causes inestimable damage.

It’s all out there for the taking, where do you stop child minding.

Once people strode the world like giants, inventing, exploring and if they screwed up they took it on the chin.  These days if they trip over a crack in the pavement because they weren’t looking where they were walking they immediately scream whose fault was that, it wasnt mine

If people want to gamble, gamble – if they don’t want to gamble, don’t gamble.   But they need to take responsibility for their actions and stop taking the modern approach of looking for someone else to blame.   Sure it’s an illness like alcoholism and drug addiction, there is help out there.

If they don’t decide to avail themselves of that help, that is their choice, but taking the easy way out as, everyone will be sorry when I’m gone, is not the answer, and it certainly isn’t the fault of a service provider – its personal choice and the responsibility lies squarely with them.

KYC supposedly means among other things, to prevent suffering due to addicted gambling. If you walk into [casino] and tell the manager, you are gambling the kids food money, he is supposed to have you removed. If you tell him after [casino] has gained the kids food, your kids starve. Believe it or not, both happens, one more than the other.

I don’t know what the solution is, but the current one is poor.

[li ligarr WANTED $82 Outlaw]

What every casino should do is ask for verification before allowing anyone to deposit so there are no delays when withdrawing,Then after you have deposited a certain lvl say £1000 during any single month(as to be fair a £1000 lost of your average persons wages is alot)ask if everything is ok,Then if you start depositing alot more in a short space of time ask for source of wealth,but that shoul;d be just a payslip/savings account not asking for months of bank statements etc as that takes the piss imo.

Credit cards should be banned from being used at casinos 100%,as to me that is obviously money ppl dont have or else they would just use there normal debit card,i got myself into 10s of thousands of debt many years ago gambling on credit cards,and tome they were as much to blame as the casinos for accepting them,i rang my CC company up(barclays at the time) after clearing it by taking a bank loan asking them if they could stop any gambling transactions…they gave me a straight answer of no and yes you guessed it i maxed it out again,i now dont own a credit card and gamble what i have in my actual bank so atleast should never be in that kind of debt again.

As gamblers its never actually been better to try and stop with gamban etc,i wish it was available 10+years ago

[bigbucks1983 WANTED $47 Outlaw]

So am i correct in thinking the original conversation was plucked from the internet? If so, what is to say it actually took place and someone with an agenda didnt create it. If so, then you chose to take it as fact because suited your argument. The thing is y<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>ouve highlighted a situation i think most here are probably aware and agree with you on since we are on a gambling forum. If you know for a fact this happened with proof then totally different.</span>

<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>Reading this thread from start to finish, not that my opinion will matter, but much of this thread is vague and cryptic. Again im not saying you are wrong but people cant agree with what isnt very clear. Please accept this as constructive from a neutral view point but you have come across as dismissive (possibly out of frustration) to those who havent grasped where you are coming from. I believe your intentions were good but maybe take a step back, even get a neutral to read the thread and ask what they think.</span>

[Mr Mr B WANTED $395 Blocked]

@ligarr that is in the very least a good start. As opposed to the mess that exists now where it’s a free for all. Joe who has thousands of his own money is tagged for [possibly] money laundering a £50 withdrawal while Jane blows her family food budget for the month goes unnoticed or cared for.

@bigbucks1983 – to your first question, had you read the whole thread as you claim, you would know the answer, which is no.

[bigbucks1983 WANTED $47 Outlaw]

Hi mr B, apologies for the delay. It looks like i wasnt logged in.

I did read the thread, what i saw was a link to a google search with ten article’s showing and i did not know which one you were referencing.

Anyway thank you for answering, i guess if the article you referenced somehow is connected to you and not just pulled from the internet then i appreciate your vigour on the subject.

For the record i totally agree that its a terrible situation, i wish no one would lose their life to any form of addiction. Ive been to some place i thought were bad but probably wouldn’t scratch the surface for others. Im not sure if CS online can be too unaccountable or do much more but 100% think in shops they fail punters at times. Best example i can relate to is someone barring themselves and then a week later losing their wages while the person who barred them watched, that one has happened to me. Should i have gone in, no. Was it my fault, yes. Should they have stopped me though, yes.

Anyway all the best.

[bigbucks1983 WANTED $47 Outlaw]

@mr b

Sorry bud my questioning was because you have provided a link to a google search of 10 articles. I have read the entirety of the thread and cant see where you have alluded to which article im to read.

Anyway thank you for answering my question. I guess if the article is something you were involved in/connected to you it explains the sensitivity to it.

For the record i 100% believe its a terrible situation, gambling like many addictions takes people to dark places i wish on no one. I do think people working in shops allow far too much to happen that they could prevent, for example allowing people who they have personally excluded to then do their balls in. Ultimately i know its still on the punter but the shops do have responsibility to them there.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Those who say the casinos dont care.. This just came in last year…

If a player deposits more than 50% of his monthly net income – they get flagged.

If a player mentions suicide, depression, or similar onlive chat – they are offered a suspension and an inhouse team calls them up. (This costs them hundreds of thousands a year to manage)

If a player shows history of raising stakes over a certain level after losses, they are phoned up and asked very stringent questions about their playing style and what they earn.

 

Honestly – what the hell else can they do? Between customers saying they rig the games (not possible), not demanding bonsues or money back (lol), to death threats, blame, shouting, and an occasional lost password request, what else can they actually do?

They restrict signups to 18. They restrict deposit amounts until verified over 2k. They restrict cashouts for AML. They restrict bank cards to ensure no laundering. They restrict bet sizes and play levels for you if you ask. You can time out, ban, self exclude, set max limits for the day, and now they have teams to call you up to check you arent hanging from a bridge.

 

Is there much more they can do? If there is tell me and ill bring it up.

[Ol Oldmoon WANTED $27 Outlaw]

Hi eejit I deposited 58 grand over a 12 month period on betfred,I never verified my account was never asked for proof of income,but I was contacted by a manager asking why I have stopped playing at their site.lol

[Ol Oldmoon WANTED $27 Outlaw]

One other point you mentioned was sites restrict bank cards.if so how many? I had six different cards all verified with videoslots no problem whatsoever,needless to say I don’t play their anymore either.this is not an attack on your statements you raised in your post.but just saying the reality is different to the official stance the casinos churn out.

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