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23rd May 2019 at 4:22 pm #66932
As has been said, you ask for this inrefutable evidence that they are not rigged, how about you provide the evidence that they are?
Thought not.
just have a quick look at the deal or no deal live vid thats floating about i mean thats super dodgy ?
23rd May 2019 at 5:44 pm #66938As has been said, you ask for this inrefutable evidence that they are not rigged, how about you provide the evidence that they are?
Thought not.
just have a quick look at the deal or no deal live vid thats floating about i mean thats super dodgy ?
“Irrefutable evidence”
23rd May 2019 at 5:45 pm #66939As has been said, you ask for this inrefutable evidence that they are not rigged, how about you provide the evidence that they are?
Thought not.
just have a quick look at the deal or no deal live vid thats floating about i mean thats super dodgy ?
That has already been discussed in length…
What actually about it to you appears dodgy?
Naturally things are going to go wrong with any process, in this case one of the briefcases opened ahead of time. They use screens because an automated process makes a lot more sense for a business than a manual inconsistent approach, particularly when utilising a small turnaround window. And the reason why the open briefcase was blank until later in the round is, as @Xbobmad called out, a contingency to ensure that players don’t gain an advantage when choosing to deal or no deal in the earlier stages.
23rd May 2019 at 6:24 pm #66943If someone makes a claim then the burden of proof is upon them to provide the evidence to support that claim. Not for others to disprove. End of.
23rd May 2019 at 8:32 pm #66951You talk about concentrating on truth and lies, right?
That’s a tough one because your truth is purely subjective. As in it’s true for you.
An objective truth is true for all people at all times.
So your truth is a subjective one because you have no facts to offer to substantiate it.
It’s certainly irritating when you’re on a losing run and streamers constantly win, but given that nobody can give me any proof of a conspiracy, I will presume the opposite.
The burden of proof lies with the person trying to prove something. There is no burden on me to disprove foul play by casinos.But on a personal level, it certainly sparks jealously in me when streamers win big and I don’t!
23rd May 2019 at 11:46 pm #66964I give you this: https://www.backinamo.com/forum/topic/conspiracy-theorists-start-your-engines/
24th May 2019 at 12:47 am #66968I give you this: https://www.backinamo.com/forum/topic/conspiracy-theorists-start-your-engines/
The only one in that list that is actual clear of evidence of wrongdoing in some form is the BetOnline blackjack one. And even this one may be a little more complicated than it looks at face value. This link below explains it pretty well:
https://professionalrakeback.com/betonline-blackjackgate
I’m curious as to what point is being made here, because it almost feels like when we clutch onto these very rare examples of corruption, that we are making an incredibly vast generalisation against the industry. Just because someone, somewhere has done wrong, doesn’t mean that every single other person or entity in the same category has done wrong also.
24th May 2019 at 7:42 am #66987Many many times i have stated its a feeling i have that some shit is rigged. And its a huge feeling. Not just an “oh fuck ive lost, so il go on a crusade to say everything is rigged”
Im not about that anymore.
<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>And Im fully aware that I HAVE won on occasion. So it cant be all rigged can it.</span>
Casino Laws. Regs and Rules are all man made. And they are mostly put in place to manipulate, fuck over or cover big buisness arses.
And with the introduction of Ai following, tracking and knowing your every move. You have got no chance anymore to beat them.
Simply put we are being manipulated and scammed lawfully. And thats why people say it isnt rigged.
24th May 2019 at 11:02 am #66833You talk about concentrating on truth and lies, right?
That’s a tough one because your truth is purely subjective. As in it’s true for you.
An objective truth is true for all people at all times.
So your truth is a subjective one because you have no facts to offer to substantiate it.
It’s certainly irritating when you’re on a losing run and streamers constantly win, but given that nobody can give me any proof of a conspiracy, I will presume the opposite.
The burden of proof lies with the person trying to prove something. There is no burden on me to disprove foul play by casinos.
But on a personal level, it certainly sparks jealously in me when streamers win big and I don’t!
24th May 2019 at 11:16 am #67022I give you this: https://www.backinamo.com/forum/topic/conspiracy-theorists-start-your-engines/
The only one in that list that is actual clear of evidence of wrongdoing in some form is the BetOnline blackjack one. And even this one may be a little more complicated than it looks at face value. This link below explains it pretty well:
https://professionalrakeback.com/betonline-blackjackgate
I’m curious as to what point is being made here, because it almost feels like when we clutch onto these very rare examples of corruption, that we are making an incredibly vast generalisation against the industry. Just because someone, somewhere has done wrong, doesn’t mean that every single other person or entity in the same category has done wrong also.
In the same token..it doesn’t mean that every person or entity in the same category is squeaky clean.
History and experience tells us that corruption exists in all walks of business. To assume gambling sector is whiter than white is very naive indeed
24th May 2019 at 12:31 pm #67025I don’t think anyone is saying that the gambling sector is whiter than white!
But to apply a generalisation based on history against specific cases, anywhere, is wrong, and certainly doesn’t make for a strong and compelling argument.
It’s almost like saying that a black guy stole from a shop once, so therefore history tells us that all black people are thieves. It’s wrong.
124th May 2019 at 1:37 pm #67028Specific cases are needed for the argument..because it highlights the ones that have been CAUGHT. who knows how many businesses or casinos are still at the fraud. You cannot confirm that casinos are clean..just like i cannot confirm they are corrupt. What i can say though is..10 years of playing online..and in my own honest opinion after everything I’ve seen..it is not random.
28th May 2019 at 2:50 pm #67464I do believe casinos and any electronic gambling game is rigged, and I guess they have to be, but it just depends on your interpretation of the word I guess. As far as I know, when you click spin a number is chosen from the RNG and that number is then used to lookup a win/loss in a table of pre-determined results. That means that there are some combinations of reels that cannot appear on the screen, because only a finite amount of combinations are held in the table. To me, that is the same as being rigged. And when you play roulette, it is not picking one number, but 5 or 6 and then deciding which one to use depending on the outcome of the RNG, and that is not how ‘real’ roulette works, so again to me that seems rigged.
And I do believe that there is a way that a casino could give a streamer an unfair advantage if they wanted to. Nothing is impossible.
You aren’t correct on your explanation of how a slot works. Typically, slots have their reels defined (big long reel strips with all the symbols defined). The RNG will then be asked to return X numbers, where X is the number of reels. This will be the reel stop positions. The stop positions, and the symbols on the reels in those positions are what determine the result. So any result is possible.
For roulette, the RNG just returns one number. No reason it would work any other way :-/
As to the rest of the thread:
Feel free to ask me anything you like. I worked in the industry for 10 years running a gaming platform (I don’t anymore). We built the game logic and integrated with Casino’s and game providers provided math models and graphics and integrated their games to our platform. So I know the whole thing end to end. Will happily answer any questions.
The other thing i’d ask is, what would you accept as proof? While I do believe you should be the one offering evidence to substantiate your claim, i’ll happily offer proof if it’s within my power to do so. The main issue is I don’t believe there is any proof to offer. Short of you going around every Casino and gaming provider in the industry and asking them to walk you step by step through their code and their deployment processes, ensuring that the code you viewed is in fact the code that is live and in use, I don’t see how you could be convinced that it’s all legit.
My main argument is one of logistics. Like any conspiracy, how easy is it to pull off (and how worth while)? Do you honestly believe 1000’s of disparate gambling companies under multiple regulations in multiple countries covered by different laws, with tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of current and ex employees could really keep a secret like ‘slots are rigged’? And beyond that, why WOULD they rig them? The maths models of slots are always in the house favour (just like roulette and table games), so over time, the house ALWAYS wins. Why cheat? They know they’re going to win legally.
29th May 2019 at 3:57 am #67476The above states it perfectly.
Casinos have an edge already, over time they’ll win money. The rtp of a game creates that edge. They dont need to secretly rig the games because they legitimately rig them.
Let’s take a flip of a coin.
1)assuming it’s exactly 50/50 heads or tails with a friend you’d both bet £10 with the winner getting £20. 10+10=20/2=10 =even
2)with a bookie they would offer you 19/10 on your selection so you’d bet £10 and if you won on a 50/50 proposition you’d be £9 up or £10 down. 10+9=19/2 =8.50 £1.50 down on average.
3)with a slot machine with 95% rtp you bet your £10 on the coin flip (ikr worst slot ever!) and you win £9.50 back, in total. 50p down whoop.
Now you seem to be suggesting that they are willing to risk this incredible edge they have that prints them money and that game providers, casinos and regulators are all in cahoots about it.
29th May 2019 at 7:27 am #67486Just to have my 2p worth. I don’t think it’s rigged but I would never say that with much certainty. However what I do believe is there are that many players playing at the same time to rig it would be pointless as someone has to win that’s the nature of it. I have in the past felt something wasn’t quite right but then sometimes that feeling goes in my favour, when your the smallest player at a blackjack table an you hit nothing but 21’s whilst the guy next to you betting big picks up all the 3’s and 4’s for you ? putting a slot on silly stake with nothing, soon as you put it down, bonus drops in, probably just coincidence, maybe more but fact is I can’t do anything except enjoy the fact I have a bonus and hope it pays the world!!
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