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[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

The two relevant facts here are 1) the more spins you have on a slot the closer your actual results will trend towards the theoretical RTP and 2) even small variations in theoretical RTP can make a large difference to the actual RTP over a smaller sample of spins.

Both these facts are mathematically demonstrable. When you say if you’re playing a couple of hundred spins, it doesn’t make a difference whether you’re playing a 92% or 96% version because the sample size is too small to be impacted, you are simply wrong. The reason for this is RTP is adjusted by altering the probabilities of wins occurring, in practice by changing the spread and frequency of symbols on the reelsets and behaviour of bonus rounds.

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

You are more unlucky than others that win more than you over a smaller sample size. You keep forgetting about luck. I am not going around in circles anymore. The RTP is only proven over a certain numbers of spins and being theoretical has margin for error either side of the tested and advertised RTP. The margin for error could be equal to what Eejit is complaining about in size.
My main point being it shouldn’t upset people if they don’t win as much as they would like to win and if it does then they need help to stop gambling and chasing losses over millions of spins on one game they ended up obsessed over.
Lets agree that it is all too confusing and LUCK is too big a factor for any 1 player playing for it to matter, as that player isn’t in a 24 month contract with videoslots to play a certain slot a certain amount of times in their House.
I wouldn’t go to my friends house and eat dinner for a year and then go and complain in his own house about the size of the meal he made me to eat “in his house” (their site)  not being as big as it used to be due to him having less funds available to spend to keep the invitations to eat in his house coming.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Look, my view on this is simple: it is wrong for VideoSlots to introduce lower RTP versions of some games and not inform players about that change in a manner which ensures they will see it, such as an email. Burying the news on your site on a page you know from analytics most players don’t see is poor behaviour.

Lower RTP does make a difference to how a game will play for the average user session. Book of Dead for example will be less likely to bring in premium win lines and less likely to bonus on its lower RTP versions.

Yes it is on a player to check the RTP of a game before they play but you cannot reasonably expect them to do this every single time they log in and deposit for every game.

To use you food analogy, this is more like you going to McDonald’s every day where you pay up front then get your food, so one day you go in, make your normal choice, pay the money and then find after that the burgers are smaller and you only get half the fries you used to. I think you’d be within your rights to be annoyed if they did that and didn’t make sure you knew in advance of ordering that change had happened.

[Anonymous WANTED $110 Inactive]

I play video slot also not bad for me, but all time I win more 200-300 I change casino, shit casinos I ever play Euro casino ( very bad welcome bonus) and Novibet,I know 777.com is not that good also not many good games but they send free offers every day free spins and credits,I like video slots only casino I play I can check games they pay more

[Dynamik23 WANTED $82 Outlaw]

trr420 wrote:

If Casino Heros increased the RTP on playngo sots Eejit it was because they could. I doubt Video Slots will because they want to stay in the UK market and the reason for reducing the RTP is so they can stay in the UK market. Being the biggest slot provider in the UK with more games than anywhere else on offer, i would hate for them to have to leave the market and site that you work with starting to become a last resort for UK players.

Wise up man, you are not being hated on. I am big enough to apologise if things got heated at times and you feel like you just want to help people and are being attacked for it. That is not the truth.

What i was doing was trying to point out a few things to you. RTP on a slot is based over millions of spins and worked out to be precise only after a certain amount of spins. There are people calling out sites like Pokerstars for 20 years now. Their pocket aces didn’t win over 84% of the time heads up against one opponent with a random hand. Some people had stats recorded on a poker tracker with say 1 million sets of pocket aces heads up recorded. They are judged to be unlucky and not being scammed due to a far smaller sample size than is needed for the 84.7 % win rate to even out when taking away LUCK and only replying on a “truly random outcome”. Pokerstars use a Quantum Random Number Generator with photon emitters to ensure a fair deal (totally random) This is only achievable after millions, if not billions, of deals. (Tested) Other sites like Ipoker and MPN don’t use this technology but are also accused of not being fair and totally random. The RTP is similar to the poker RNG as there is a percentage of times pocket aces will win over millions of hands; just as there is an RTP worked out on a slot machine based over millions of spins or even billions of spins. This is why an RTP for anyone that plays a slot  is not as important over 10,000 spins as it is 10,000,000. You can’t get the RTP as you are totally replying on just luck. Now considering this, why is it fair to try and risk the biggest slot provider having to leave the UK market by demanding they increase an RTP that won’t matter unless it’s over millions or billions of spins? Luck and fairness are a totally different matter when people gamble. Any player in the world is only replying on a game being fair while being unable to prove it to be fair.

I stand by what i say about white label platforms/Casinos. They are more likely to leave the UK market than you making videoslots leave it by forcing an increase in RTP they aren’t prepared to accept. I didn’t know the difference between White hat and White label a couple of days ago and after researching it i know more than i would like to admit.
Operators/platforms…. like everymatrix, softswiss, tain, progressplay, igaming cloud, softgaming, finn play and even betconstruct with an office Located in London. They aren’t as good, trusted and don’t have anywhere near as much chance of being about as long as videoslots in the UK. I struggle to find a decent Casino (White Label).
Everymatrix most popular. Casinocruise and jetbull. Whooopieeee! Safe to say i could do without them. Most platforms offer curacao/malta licences… not UK. You said White label Csinos don’t have to listen to everything the UK gambling commission come up with but they do and if they don’t they would be fined out of the market.
Others like Betconstruct located in London have a really bad name already and i can’t imagine them making enough money to afford to stay in the uk market if videoslots can’t.

You could spend your time helping ex gamblers get over an addiction for free. You seem to want to help other gamblers even though you don’t fully understand how or why.
I am finished with this thread and the other thread i didn’t comment on, after seeing multiple people starting to jump on with insults. That was never my intention. I am not a troll, a conspiracy theorist or Mr B whoever the fck that is lol… i was accused of a lot of things and felt a bit under attack so resorted to name calling. I am the kind of person to curse a lot or not take life to seriously though. Sometimes i forget other people are more easily offended than me and come across a right nasty cunt.

Yeah but RTP stands for return to players. WHOA that s changes everything now right. You are still my hero TRR. Maybe one that none of us deserve. King TRR.

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

Ok, fair enough you didn’t get an email. You are not happy about this and you shouldn’t be expected to look for a change in the RTP is your opinion. You shouldn’t have to be expected to check the RTP either before you play a game.
However, should you make a complaint nobody will care about it because the RTP was available if you did look. It was also advertised elsewhere but like you said you would prefer an email. Nobody cares if you are lazy and prefer to have things delivered to you in capital letters and nobody cares about people that just expect things without making efforts.
Now, legally what right do you have to play on their site and complain about the RTP  when you didn’t check it before playing the game? You have no right to even play on the site and have no right to claim back a bonus that wasn’t paid into your balance after a malfunction. Never mind have the right to be emailed by the site because you don’t accept responsibility of checking the RTP  still is, as it was before. I don’t remember the RTP because i have more important things to keep stored in my head. so, if i play 20 slots on a  regular basis for 6 months i tend to go and double check the RTP isn’t being confused with one of the other 19 slots. If i think it’s 96% i will double check it is (if i really think it needs to be)
The fact some of yous complain about losing 20 or 30 deposits with no return and then are surprised to find out the RTP was a tiny bit lower than it used to be says something. You lost all them deposits and still didn’t think to double check the RTP was as you THOUGHT IT TO BE. You also aren’t happy about losing money on a 94% RTP rather than a 96% RTP. In the short period of time it took to come to your attention, why not calculate how much you lost on the 96% version compared to the 94% version. A lot of people would have won more on the 94% version. If you didn’t that doesn’t change anything. You are more concerned about how it was lowered and not how you want it put back to how it was. You can play the game elsewhere at a slightly higher RTP and still lose.

Your Mcdonalds point is proven wrong, too. Look at the size of Mars bars and the cunts didn’t have the decency to email people that might buy one…about the fact they are getting less for their money due to rising costs and smaller bars being sold now. The information is on the packet in weight. People just need to LOOK. People are expected to spend their money wisely or not complain. It’s called having and taking responsibility for their own actions. It is also money, there is more important things in life like health, family and general well being. Wayyyyyy more important issues than somebody expecting to take no responsibility for their own actions and then having the cheek to complain about other people not being as responsible as they would like.

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

Dynamik… i know what RTP is. That is why i judge my gambling on a slot to be nothing other than luck. I can’t say the same about online Poker, as it is one of the few versions of gambling online that people can make a monthly interest on. That and professional sports betters. In my opinion the issue of professional sports betting players not being allowed the same odds as the none pro is a far larger issue. It is concerning. However, i always lead myself back to this fact. No Casino, Poker site or Bookmaker has any reason to accept a player into their house if it is bad for business. As bad as it might be, it is the rules in their house. Thankfully there are sites out there giving punters a chance in sports betting still, betvic and betbair , i think,  offer guaranteed odds for a pro. Just less than a none pro. You have no real argument and your sorry attempts to make a Clown out of me are laughable.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

@trr420 what the fuck are you even on about? You’ve made up a bunch of stuff I didn’t say and then attacked it. I don’t play at Video Slots, I don’t play at all right now because I’m on GamStop. I haven’t complained to VS or anyone else about unpaid bonuses or whatever it is you’re banging on about, nor did I say players had some divine right to a certain RTP level.

What I’ve said is that VS bringing in lower RTP versions of popular games and not clearly informing players is something I believe to be wrong, the implication being anyone who also feels that way should vote with their wallet and play somewhere else. That is all.

And btw, your analogy about chocolate bars is wrong because when buying a Mars you inescapably see the chocolate bar and its size before you pay for it, not after.

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

Are we sure this trr420 chap isn’t JB? There can’t be more than one person like this even on the internet.

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

I am sorry i assumed you were of the same opinion. I am sorry the guy responding to my comment and calling me wrong on a casino forum is somebody i judged to gamble. I am sorry that you are upset about video slots doing what they did and i didn’t realise you don’t play there. Strangely enough!
I am guessing you are on Gamstop due to a gambling problem and i genuinely hope you can never gamble again. I would recommend to you, as i did another guy, that you forget about gambling, forums and stop getting offended about minor issues that don’t involve you.

ps… I myself, just like half my friends and family, didn’t know a Mars bar was smaller than it used to be when i was a kid. I thought it just looked smaller because i was bigger. I heard about it on the TV and i was about to take legal action until i got the flu and realised it wasn’t important. Thankfully i didn’t ask why they didn’t email me or put it on the news for me to see. I say that because it might have ended up on the BBC and i wouldn’t have seen it because they brainwash people. I choose to watch alternative news. So the fact they didn’t put a news article somewhere i wouldn’t see it wouldn’t matter either.

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

I haven’t been on this forum long enough to know who he is. Please stop trying to undermine me and jump on board the conspiracy theorist, troll or calling me ill informed train.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I’ve never owned a gun but I still have opinions about gun ownership laws. No idea what you think your point is…. it’s hard to tell amongst the rambling nonsense about Mars bars and flu and the BBC. What is it you think? That because I haven’t gambled online in the last 10 months I’m no longer allowed to be a part of this community or have an opinion on Video Slots?

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

No… my opinion is that trying to stop people getting shot dead by dangerous weapons is important; and trying to get videoslots to go bust and leave the UK because you don’t like how they handled something not concerning you in the slightest isn’t, or shouldn’t be, as important to you as gun controls. One concerns you and the other doesn’t.
If you want to have an opinion on stupid shit that doesn’t involve you in any way and try and damage the reputation of a site that hasn’t actually committed a crime or harmed you financially in any way, so be it. You are right, you are allowed to do it.  It doesn’t mean you gain anything and you are just a gambler that can’t control his gambling and now resorts to attacking Casinos as a way of healing himself.

 

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

trr420 wrote:

No… my opinion is that trying to stop people getting shot dead by dangerous weapons is important; and trying to get videoslots to go bust and leave the UK because you don’t like how they handled something not concerning you in the slightest isn’t, or shouldn’t be, as important to you as gun controls. One concerns you and the other doesn’t. If you want to have an opinion on stupid shit that doesn’t involve you in any way and try and damage the reputation of a site that hasn’t actually committed a crime or harmed you financially in any way, so be it. You are right, you are allowed to do it.  It doesn’t mean you gain anything and you are just a gambler that can’t control his gambling and now resorts to attacking Casinos as a way of healing himself.

 

? Again you’re just making up and attacking shit I simply haven’t said, or even anything remotely close. Where have I tried to have Video Slots shutdown or forced out of the UK market? I haven’t. The only thing I’ve said is I think it’s wrong for them to bring in lower RTP versions of popular games without properly informing players so they can make a reasonable choice as to whether or not they continue to deposit at that casino. In fact my posting history will show you I’m by and large a defender of casinos and the gambling industry against nutty conspiricists.

You’re an utter lunatic, mate ???

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

You are calling for people to hit videoslots where it hurts. Not to spend their money there. You don’t gamble and if people already have the ability to make their own choice, then why are you supporting them losing customers, money and having to leave the UK ? Why would you be so upset that you would attack my opinion like it doesn’t matter when i gamble with them and you don’t?

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