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[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

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@trr420 please do an encore, that is by far the most entertaining tantrum I’ve seen on here this year.

[PsychicSnail WANTED $111 Outlaw]

I would highly recommend just not replying to any of his posts. All you’re doing is giving him fuel. I don’t understand this aggressive, angry, egotistical attitude that (thankfully) very few visitors seem to have. They feel free to insult others but react violently to any hint of criticism in return.

The thing that confuses me is they are obviously not totally thick, but act in the same way as you see the street chavs behave. Demanding respect but showing none in return. Demanding you listen to them without opening their ears and minds in return. I can only conclude this is some sort of personality disorder. No idea what though.

[Winningbird WANTED $574 Outlaw]

That last post had waaaaaay too many C words in it. I think rbreens record has been beaten ??

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

I don’t understand this aggressive, angry, egotistical attitude that (thankfully) very few visitors seem to have

That’s because when normal none butt hurt ball licking people arrive they are few and far between. They all leave the forum due to people like yous making them out to be wrong when they are right. Acting like only your opinions matter and the forums wee team will work together to try and prove that by any means. Facts, research and opinions that aren’t like your own aren’t welcome. That is why the none retarded like myself lose their temper. I tried to calm things down and admit a was cheeky, i tried to explain facts and state my opinion. However, i was NOT allowed to be right when i could prove i was. I was told i don’t accept the wrong opinion as fact. Well no shit Sherlock. I am not some lowlife crying wee baby that can’t control my actions on a Casino- and i take responsibility for my own actions. Unlike all of yous Schizophrenic nutcases.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

While I gather the mixed vitriol is aimed at multiple people, again let’s take a minute to bear in mind all the bits aimed at me have come entirely and exclusively from me saying I think Video Slots should have clearly informed players about the RTP reduction.

That’s it.

At no point did I say this other guy wasn’t allowed to disagree (quite the opposite – apparently I’m the one not allowed an opinion because I no longer play at VS). At no point did I say VS should be shut down or forced out of the UK market. At no point did I say any losses I’ve had in my life were the fault of a casino rather than my own. At no point did I call for increased regulation of casinos or game providers. At no point did I say a game shouldn’t be allowed to have 94%, 92% or X% RTP. At no point did I call for people to boycott VS.

All this stuff has happened entirely in his imagination.

And yet I’m the “schizophrenic nutcase”? ?

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

Hilarious ????.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

Oops sorry am i allowed to post? Apparently I’m not allowed to be on a gambling forum 7 days a week as an ex online gambler. ??

[Rb Rbreen91 WANTED $493 Outlaw]

We’re all Faggots now because this guy is a dumb fuck? ??? best craic ever. Fucker is having a full blown meltdown.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

Rbreen91 wrote:

We’re all Faggots now because this guy is a dumb fuck? best craic ever. Fucker is having a full blown meltdown.

I love how argyll and eejit have both kept their calm and not resorted to much if any swearing especially argyll. Fair play i say ??

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

i find the bits where he says I don’t take responsibility for my gambling and losses and say it’s the fault of casinos to be particularly amusing, as forum regulars will be aware I’ve consistently argued the precise opposite. I remember writing a lengthy post a long time ago in some argument with (probably) JB or Mr B where I said I’d love to be able to say it was never my fault and I was an innocent victim of a corrupt industry or rigged games or whatever but it simply isn’t true, it was always my choice and I always knew what I was doing.

Signing up to Gamstop is taking personal responsibility for my gambling; I recognised I had a problem and decided to own it and do something about it. I didn’t sit there whinging it wasn’t fair, that I should always win or that casinos should be refunding me, I just went right, I’m going to deal with this because it’s my life and my problem and I can’t be putting myself in a situation where I can’t pay my bills.

But I still think Video Slots or any other casino which changes the odds on any games they offer should clearly tell the players affected.

[Haz40 WANTED $1,167 Outlaw]

argyl53 wrote:

i find the bits where he says I don’t take responsibility for my gambling and losses and say it’s the fault of casinos to be particularly amusing, as forum regulars will be aware I’ve consistently argued the precise opposite. I remember writing a lengthy post a long time ago in some argument with (probably) JB or Mr B where I said I’d love to be able to say it was never my fault and I was an innocent victim of a corrupt industry or rigged games or whatever but it simply isn’t true, it was always my choice and I always knew what I was doing.

Signing up to Gamstop is taking personal responsibility for my gambling; I recognised I had a problem and decided to own it and do something about it. I didn’t sit there whinging it wasn’t fair, that I should always win or that casinos should be refunding me, I just went right, I’m going to deal with this because it’s my life and my problem and I can’t be putting myself in a situation where I can’t pay my bills.

But I still think Video Slots or any other casino which changes the odds on any games they offer should clearly tell the players affected.

Well said mate and myself also on  gamstop as you know I’ve also said it was my decision my problem and for me the right thing to do as it was for yourself.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

And to address the other remaining point where trr420 says something along the lines of “RTP doesn’t matter because it’s over millions of spins so the first 10,00 spins are pure luck”

Actually, any and every spin is pure luck. Not the first 10, not the first million, not the first billion. Every spin is pure chance and luck as to whether you win or lose.

The reason RTP matters, then, as much on the first spin as the millionth is very simple; there’s a world of difference between having a 1 in 5 chance of getting lucky versus a 1 in 20 chance.

Of course your odds matter! If a reduction in RTP lowers your chance of getting lucky, that directly and obviously affects you as the player.

[Biohazard WANTED $675 Outlaw]

I’m genuinely impressed that this topic has caused such a substantial debate.

Surely it’s as simple as; if a casino changes the RTP of a slot, they make that clear as day to their customers. Videoslots did not do this. Blaming the customer for ‘not checking’ is not a viable counter-argument.

If Videoslots, as a business, want to lower their RTP to make operating in certain countries more affordable for them, then fair play, crack on. But it needs to be clear, particularly when it is an in-life change such as this.

Perhaps UKGC, amongst other regulatory bodies, needs to enforce some sort of minimum RTP visibility of some sort to all providers and/or casinos. That way, it takes any ambiguity away and everyone has full clarity on what risk they are taking on against their bankroll.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Im honestly impressed with many people on here. Some hugely well thought out posts.

One thing I want to say – for the record – as TTR brought it up – I dont want VS out of the UK market. I reported them to the MGA. As I believe that what they did is morally wrong, going to borderline illegal. I use borderline there on purpose, as Im not sure at this point. I do not live in the UK, though I am British. I will return one day, depends on brexit first of all. I live and work in Malta. My player accounts are either cross UKGC/MGA or sole MGA accounts.

Even more fun – the casino group I work for, we do not hold a UK licence. We have no stake in this game. We hold MGA, Curacao, and soon Spain/Denmark and Germany/Holland if we decide to go for it. I know about the UK licence as, to be honest, im good at my job. Its a market that affects all other markets, and knowledge is key in what I do, especially when it comes to heading a business unit primarily in casino creation and management. Clients want to take UK players at times, i strongly advise not to. (No offence, but mathematically its close to break-even almost depending on your bonus terms, and strict AML/Bonus abuse policies).

As for helping players – Ill do that all day every day. I was first a player. I still am. I expect the same treatment as everyone. I dont get bonuses given to me. I would play and want the RTP to stay the same ont he sites I play it. Thats a fair assessment and conclusion for me to make.

The part I most care about – if VS do this, and others follow, it taints the whole market. People go to seedier casinos with no licence, or illegal gambling, god knows what. You can advertise 101% RTP and not pay players easily. Im doing this not just for players but also the marketplace that I work in. If someone is selling knock-off Prada on a market stall, outside of Prada building, they are gonna say something,

The argument on RTP is insane to continue. Anyone who chooses 94% over 96% is just… well insane, unless they get cashback to a level that benefits them.

To be fair to TTR his points on Pokerstars are valid. I read a thesis by my current girlfriend, who is a former maths teacher, sponsored poker pro for grosvenor, and bit of a maths wizard, on RNGs and Pokerstars mixed with game theory. This is outdated, and i am incorrect. Pokerstars does now use Quantum tech, with the level of RNG being significantly better than in the past. So im wrong there. Should have checked. Spent an hour reading about maths today though so I feel i took some punishment.

[trr420 WANTED $7 Blocked]

Yous all took turns coming in and changing the subject and backing eachother up thinking yous all had a serious case. The reality is nobody cares about yous grouping together to comfort eachother because yous can’t admit people are responsible for how they gamble their own money on a site that doesn’t guarantee a min RTP per game. It is only advertised because it has to be so people can check it. If you take it for granted it was as you though, then that is your stupidity.

Argyl…. Stop acting like you don’t edit comments. You got a reaction and when i prove you wrong you change the comment. Easy done. You were here with an opinion as a none gambler. Your opinion was on a site that obviously you can’t use because you had to make sure other people stopped you from gambling, rather than stop gambling yourself. That is why you are less responsible than me in relation to gambling. That is why i said you can’t take responsibility for your own actions like me. If i need to stop i don’t need other people to stop for me. Your opinion was that people should stop spending money at video slots and hit them where it hurts. That means you are going out of your way to tell people on gambling forums that they should not play with video slots. Why it has anything to do with you, i don’t know. I like playing there like others who enjoy over 3,000 slots.If 10,000 spins isn’t much then the RTP in that time isn’t as important as you seem to think. 3,000 slots at least plus  x10,000 spins on each is equal to at least 30 million spins. So people that spin more than 10,000 times on one slot are almost always going to end up a loser before they stop playing that game.The same can’t be said for 10,000 spins. The increased RTP gives a slightly higher chance to win. What use is that if you play a game too long to make sure you don’t? You are meant to do it for fun or not do it at all. A better way to win playing slots is to play 10,000 spins and move onto another. If you don’t and you want to play the same one because you enjoy playing it, you have no reason to cry about losing money on it.

BioHazard .Blaming the customer for ‘not checking’ is not a viable counter-argument.
I can say the same about a player blaming the Casino for not checking. The Casino doesn’t state anywhere in the terms and conditions it will pay out a certain percentage on a certain game forever. So when you agree to their terms and conditions, you agree that you can’t blame the Casino for not paying out a certain RTP for each game. 

Eejit, people aren’t going to seedier Casinos because sites are offering 94% RTP. Videoslots still offer above that and always offered below it. At the rate yous lot check the RTP, i am safe knowing many of yous have played lower RTP in the past and been quite happy doing so. Trying to say a 94% RTP slot is not a game people should play on videoslots is like saying if all other Casinos in the UK that are safe and guaranteed  to pay out “unlike dodgy ones showing a fake higher RTP” lower their RTP , too… then nobody should play at any Casino ever again and that  is nothing other than nonsense and a retarded argument to make. Especially considering every Casino in the UK offers games with 94% RTP and lower and always have done. 

The conclusion being all yous people are mad Videoslots didn’t do something for you, that yous all could have done for yourself.
None of yous were in a contract to play their slots and were able to play elsewhere without ganging up on the internet to try and force them out of the UK. 
Eejit. your complaint is useless and you are backtracking now. You were unhappy they HAD to lower the RTP to stay in the UK. Why would you complain to the people you sent a complaint to for? Knowing if they were forced to raise it up or leave the market, they were just leaving. They didn’t lower the RTP for no reason. Yous all come across like you accept that now. Your initial argument was that they didn’t tell anybody and that is against the regulations and laws. Yet when proven wrong and showed they did advertise the change, you again changed the story to well their advertising isn’t to my liking. Make your mind up. It’s like itv not telling you there is a bomb scare in town and you ending up in town. You didn’t get to see the news, but it was on it for your sake. Also, CHECK THE RTP “yourself” if it bothers you that much ffs. If you aren’t aware of where it is to see it, then anyone trying to argue it should be easier to see it is just stupid and making up excuses. A while back the RTP didn’t even need to be shown. Now it is, people want it highlighted in Capital letters and stuck to their monitor blocking the view of the game they want to play.

Haz. I think it’s only fair that i am confused about people like you and Arg… you were that bad a gambler you had to get other people to make you stop. What good are they if yous are still here on forums giving out bad advice and telling other people with addiction it is a good thing to watch gambling streams to stop them from having to gamble themselves. “WITHIN THE 5 FCKN YEARS OF BAN FROM ALL SITES YOU COULD HAVE REALISED THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN BEING INVOLVED IN SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE RUINED YOUR LIFE. AGAIN, I LOOK AT YOU LIKE A JUNKIE BREATHING IN SECOND HAND SMOKE JUST TO GET THROUGH NO DRUGS. AN ALCOHOLIC TRYING TO SIT IN THE BAR TO HELP GET OVER ALCOHOL ADDICTION.” soooo… Ok , i am sorry if irresponsible people like yourself sitting on forums giving other problem gamblers bad advice isn’t my cup of tea. LOL

Eejit you have a girlfriend that used to be a Maths teacher? Why don’t you get Married then??. At least that way you will finally be able to be in a position you have no way out of. You will be losing money and stuck in a long contract, too. You will have plenty to complain about for real. The games yous used to play together when yous had some spare time will reduce from 96% of the time to 0%. You won’t be able to gamble because you will be too busy fighting over who should have the remote control. At least you will realise there is more to life though… and not be the only gay in the village with an actual complaint form. 

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