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[Anonymous WANTED $16 Inactive]

Remember this game used to be fair? I got seriously tilted on it and ended up buying 42 bonuses (only 40p stake). 90% of them paid no more than 5X, biggest win was 200X and lost £800 all in. Crazy stats and mental from me to keep going. No retriggers at all in any of the bonuses!

[Slot WANTED $47 Outlaw]

not sure what is going on with Pragmatic looks like they block all wins to max 50x 😂 just avoid pragmatic

[It Itaghai WANTED $1 Outlaw]

CryptoG82 wrote:

Remember this game used to be fair? I got seriously tilted on it and ended up buying 42 bonuses (only 40p stake). 90% of them paid no more than 5X, biggest win was 200X and lost £800 all in. Crazy stats and mental from me to keep going. No retriggers at all in any of the bonuses!

Nothing happened, it was always been like that, you just had luck before.

Since release, most of my bonuses were always under 10x, and I had plenty of them.

Getting a bonus through spinning is also hard AF, I remember once when I did over 1300 spins and didn’t even had a bonus.

And it’s like this for most of the people, however it seems like some accounts have more luck then others (when you play a game for the first time you get assigned a player id)

[Spin_em_in WANTED $13 Outlaw]

With all pragmatic slots if you get 3 bonus baits without getting in, raise for 1 more then leave. They are easy to bonus if you follow this strategy and you wont waste your time doing 1000+ spins. If you stick around instead itll just keep baiting you indefinitely most of the time.

1 exception being if it maintains starting balance

[Spin_em_in WANTED $13 Outlaw]

Buys on pragmatic are a waste of time and money. They really struggle to pay over 1000x, which is 10x the buy price most of the time.

I must have seen over 2500 bonuses on pragmatic by now, about 4 times its been over 1000x. Probably around the same amount of times ive hit 1000x in the base game

Other providers (push/relax/nolimit/hacksaw/print) ive played a lot less and hit a lot bigger easier

My running avgs (less than):
Pragmatic:100x
Hacksaw:180x
Nolimit:400x

[Smoothoperator WANTED $52 Outlaw]

1st time playing it for me last Thursday, I hit max win..on 20p stake,.. just uploaded a pic.., soz lad, maybe another time you’ll hit big

[ImperialDragon WANTED $70 Outlaw]

I heard that some slots/providers have a so-called “honeymoon” at release, where it’s above 100% RTP for the first couple of weeks.  The provider then switches it to 100% for the next couple of weeks, then switches it whatever the game really is i.e. 96% for the rest of its operating life.  Is this true or just an urban myth?  I feel that some games have done this to me but it might just be in my head and I’m over-thinking it.

[Anonymous WANTED $16 Inactive]

ImperialDragon wrote:

I heard that some slots/providers have a so-called “honeymoon” at release, where it’s above 100% RTP for the first couple of weeks.  The provider then switches it to 100% for the next couple of weeks, then switches it whatever the game really is i.e. 96% for the rest of its operating life.  Is this true or just an urban myth?  I feel that some games have done this to me but it might just be in my head and I’m over-thinking it.

Not always the case although I’m sure some games are a lot more volatile in the early days. Sugar Rush bonus buys are a joke though…how the hell do you not get one retrigger in that many buys..its complete dead mode and its not the first time.

[razvanro WANTED $13 Outlaw]

Here is my experience. Not saying this is the norm or anything, again, my experience. On SOME PROVIDERES, especially Pragmatic but not limited to, I have experienced the following scenario multiple times over the years:

1. A game is launched. It gets at least decent hype and a lot of streamers and casuals are playing it.

2. You go to the game and session it and you have a good chance of hitting some really nice bonuses. You feel the game is fair and while you can still go on a bad run, you can also go on a really good one.

3. I’ve had sessions on new-ish games on Pragmatic (and others) where I’ve had like 7-8-9 bonuses in a row that made a profit. Statistically this should be insanely hard to get but I’ve had it multiple times.

4. A few days later it’s all over. You hardly ever win on the game, not to mention having several bonuses in a row that are profitable. Forget about it.

5. Then a new game comes out, gets a bit of hype, rinse and repeat.

Now I know the arguments against this. “You got lucky”, “more people play it when it launches and in the first few weeks and then not as much”, “it’s random so unless you play with 15 bazillion days you can’t say”.

Well sure, but I can make observations. And after years of playing, I think I can draw some personal conclusions that are as follows:

– Some games especially when are launched and maybe a few days to a few weeks after launch will have the RTP spiked. Not non stop but in some periods of the day at the very least.

– This accomplishes the following: gets more big wins for streamers to show their viewers but also gets wins to casual players. They get hooked on the game and come back the next day betting even more money, losing it all back and then some.

I’ve had this exact scenario happen to me several times, but got wiser and now if I get an insanely mathematically questionable run on a slot I’ll keep buying bonuses until I have 2 in a row that fail, then I leave it. If I come back the next day I try a maximum of 2 and if they’re crap I am done with trying to session it.

And when I mean this exact scenario, to be specific, I’ve had 9-10 winning bonuses in a row on Dog House Megaways (left side) when it launched. How often do you win on that game now? Imagine the odds of getting 9 winning bonuses in a row. I was printing money. It was ridiculous. But then it got hotfixed.

I made a killing 2 nights in a row on Golden Fish Tank 2 when it came out. Printing money, then never again.

Back to Pragmatic, Wild West Gold, again, full session of profitable bonus after profitable bonus.

Isoftbet – had this happen with a less known game called Legend of Loki. Absolutely killed on it for 5 days straight, but I was more of a newbie then so ended up losing it all the following 5 days after it got nerfed to the ground.

And I could go on.

Conclusion: They either intentionally spike the games/have higher RTP the first few days or at certain hours at random to hook players in and then assure a steady stream of income from people buying tons of bonuses based on that initial success.

They DON’T do this on every game. Now it could be just that a new game isn’t well calibrated and until you have thousands of plays on it you may still need to adjust it with a hotfix but I am certain this happens to a degree. There’s no way you can get 8-9 winning bonuses in a row, it shouldn’t ever happen, it’s almost like picking one number on roulette and have it win 8 times in a row. No way.

Again, just my experience, don’t shoot the messenger.

[Seyahkram1977 WANTED $706 Outlaw]

Yeah I don’t think the “ raise rtp at release “ is a real thing, surely at load up they’d have to announce the rtp to begin with and second I’m not sure you can program the rtp to be a 100 or higher…I’m pretty sure the games come with a set amount

even when casinos are being “ generous “ we get free spins if you deposit and you get 10 with a max win of £2.50 …. I’d doubt they would risk somebody landing a monster on top of all the other wins a high rtp would offer to all their customers around the world……

[razvanro WANTED $13 Outlaw]

The RTP wouldn’t have to be spiked ultra high or anything like that. Even a small amount would make a considerable difference in how the game behaves. Also, say too many people win and casinos are down for the first few days, surely that would still make them highly profitable when the game gets hotfixed and players lose it all back and then some. Also take note that not all wins get withdrawn in the first place, all I see is a win-win for the casinos.

“surely they’d have to announce the RTP at loadup” yea they announce it but it’s a gaming software, how can you legally prove it’s not 96% or whatever they say it is? And just like PC games have bugs and need hotfixes and updates they can always claim “oops, was bugged, oops needed an update” that sort of thing. I’m not conspiratory by nature and I have no problem with being wrong, but was just describing my personal experience. And from what I gather, many have seen similar behavior happening so just think it’s interesting how often it appears to happen.  And again, on SOME games, not all, not all the time. But just some good runs I can’t explain unless I won the lottery like 7 times in the past 5 years.

Having said that I do get the skepticism, I fully get where you’re coming from and am just sharing my experience and my opinion on the matter, I do not know anything for a fact.

[pe peteycoins2 WANTED $1 Outlaw]

does anyone notice before when you got 2 scatters it would pause for a second and they would flash before the next line dropped? it no longer does that, they still flash but there is no pause and they drop automatically.. cant telll me nothing has changed with sugar rush

[sa satman WANTED $2 Outlaw]

There is nothing to stop them

having 2 versions of a game though..

 

a launch version with a 99% RTP or 105% for that matter and then after a few weeks

 

redirect you to the 96% version.

thats my theory on how streamers do so well… they get an affiliate account which directs to the higher math model version.

thats totally within laws and would explain a lot.

[Lu LukeyP WANTED $4 Outlaw]

I’ve thought the same but I think it’s not as simple as that. I think it’s a case of some people that play on the first few days getting a better RTP, rather than everyone that plays. Enough to cause a hype.

It goes in line with them times we’ve all had where a game is playing really well and then it crashes or asks you to refresh. It then it turns to a bag of shit and plays completely different once the slot has been reloaded. It’s happened far too many times to be a coincidence.

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