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@eejit101: Forgive me for being slow… So if Rosh cashes out 100k, how much do you think he would likely get? What would be the deductions?

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Seyahkram1977 wrote:

eejit101 wrote:

To be fair to “theguy” the maths doesnt add up. But here is why.

300 sign ups. Lets say 50% deposit (thats average for our global group of casinos). That becomes 150. The min deposit for the CPA to kick in is X amount. Lets say 50 of those 150 (Thats being generous) dont do it. Thats 100 left.

So we have 100 players earning them a total of 14k. Now comes the rev share fun. On averages players will win occasionally. This happens as its not rigged (sadly, or id be rich). Add in approx 25-30% admin fees for casino, the X amount of % they will scam affiliates out of by “removing certain figures”, and the best of all “detagging” of large volume players. Im not saying we do this, as we dont, but I know it exists. I have a player account on 4 casinos. ” signed up under Steve, where i no longer earn him money it seems, and 1 under a friend of mine who has an affilaite site. Last month on the affilaite site one we streamed from my account and lost 12k. Their affiliate payment for the month from the 4 active players on this casino through their link? £51. And they get a 40% rev share deal. I was removed.

So – We now have 14k minus 5k. Thats 9k. Then the casino will remove payment and bonus fees, which is usually around 50% or so of the remainder. And we arrive at 4.5k. Give or take some changes per month this is the amount.

That being said – someone like Roshtein who gets a HUGE following on twitch, or CasinoGrounds with their deals (they have investors), will make a lot more money. Rosh will be on a large Hybrid is my guess for his players, and he will be killing it. This is not how he affords his high stakes, thats fake bullshit, but it is how he gets the casinos to cover such large bonuses and balance he plays with. If he has an 8k total start balance and busts, the casino has to pay the game providers about 12% of this, payment 2%, and their own fees. They are losing 1.6k from that 8k “loss” rosh had. So his deal will be adjusted to reflect this.

So while we see “55% rev share and 150£ CPA”, these arent the numbers the affiliates get. Its far far lower. Basically think 25% of whatever you think they get, thats what they get.

@eejit101, articulation personified …………….

You saying im not articulate enough? Or… being nice? Never sure around here any more!

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PsychicSnail wrote:

@eejit101: Forgive me for being slow… So if Rosh cashes out 100k, how much do you think he would likely get? What would be the deductions?

Well this entirely depends on which casino and what deal he gets. So, if you want to believe that his “balance” is “real money” thats up to you.

BUT…

Lets look at the 2 most common “Rosh” possibilities.

1 – Its fake money. DONT CONFUSE THIS WITH PLAY MONEY. Casinos can credit a players account with funds manually. Thats how they give you cash or bonuses. Therefore, they can also set your account to an internal account, meaning no deposits or cashouts from the account are allowed, and the game rounds are tagged as “internal” for the game providers, meaning the casino pays less % on the losses. (Simple way of doing it, Playngo charges casino 11% of the profit the casino makes on Playngo games. So bandit loses 10k at Book of dead, casino gets the 10k but pays Playngo 1,100 Quid.). If its internal funds, casino may pay 8%, or in some cases 0% if they are big enough.

So the casino adds money to the account of Mr Rosh, he plays, he never shows deposits etc, life is good, and the casino pays him both an hourly rate to promote their casino (My guess…. 100 quid an hour), and he gets the affilaite money he makes from it.

NOTE – Most large casinos wont allow this. Casumo, Betfair, Sky, Pokerstars, all of the ones of this nature, this wont happen. Probably ever. But just because streamers and youtube people play on smaller sites, doesnt mean its fake. For example if you get 300 signups through your links, your going to want to find somewhere not as common to promote, so less people have accounts. Compare this to say… genesis group, where they openly have “paid hourly” streamers, and max cashouts for streamers for unlimited bonuses (Ive used them myself when i streamed on slotmad, 10x max cashout, i hated it)

2 – Its jacked up to fuck. So Rosh “deposits” 2k and gets a 400% bonus. 10k balance. Do you honestly think this is viable? You are a casino, you make 10k profit with each 100k+ lost on the casino, are you really giving away your entire equity to one guy? Are you fuck. If you “trust” anyone that says these bonuses are legit, you are a moron.

So he actually deposits 200 euros. He gets to play with 8k for “show” to make it exciting. He has a max cashout of 1k. The rest is for the facade. The end. This is highly common and HIGHLY likely.

On this one I have seen various deals (sites like Slotty Vegas and such) where streamers get 1k deposit with 2k bonus. Thats nice. Its not conducive to profit but its borderline. Casumo yesterday gave me a 200% bonus up to £2,020. 20x wagering for the new year. Thanks! But this is the only bonus ive ever had from them over 500£ match. I am VIP (not a brag) but the bonus offerings are low. They have a great team though and i really do like casumo, the weekly cashback is good too.

So will sites do big bonuses for streamers? Yes. But will it have max cashout? Abso-fucking-lutely. They are not risking their entire company on a streamer. Rosh can easily win 1mil from that balance on certain games, and there is no way they have that kind of roll sitting around to cover. Thats why you dont see anything else other than what he says.

 

On this kind of note – the live view of the deposits on some casinos cannot be manipulated. On ours if you edit it or have it revoked it will show as 0£ or blank. Like Captain Davo did. They removed the withdrawal and processed manually as it was for a less amount. Our system is the same. So if they show something and say “Oh, thats odd, ill check in to that being blank” its bullshit. Go check your entire history on every caisno now, ill bet its all there and its all correct. If they wont show it, there is your proof. If it takes them several days, why? Takes 1 second. No hidden details or card numbers its all redacted. Addresses only show on address page. they are all full of shit and trying to join in on the game that a few started and it really blew up. Bandit made youtube what it was for slots. Kim/Paul/Daddy/Slotspiner made twitch. Now look at it. Mental.

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eejit101 wrote:

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

eejit101 wrote:

To be fair to “theguy” the maths doesnt add up. But here is why.

300 sign ups. Lets say 50% deposit (thats average for our global group of casinos). That becomes 150. The min deposit for the CPA to kick in is X amount. Lets say 50 of those 150 (Thats being generous) dont do it. Thats 100 left.

So we have 100 players earning them a total of 14k. Now comes the rev share fun. On averages players will win occasionally. This happens as its not rigged (sadly, or id be rich). Add in approx 25-30% admin fees for casino, the X amount of % they will scam affiliates out of by “removing certain figures”, and the best of all “detagging” of large volume players. Im not saying we do this, as we dont, but I know it exists. I have a player account on 4 casinos. ” signed up under Steve, where i no longer earn him money it seems, and 1 under a friend of mine who has an affilaite site. Last month on the affilaite site one we streamed from my account and lost 12k. Their affiliate payment for the month from the 4 active players on this casino through their link? £51. And they get a 40% rev share deal. I was removed.

So – We now have 14k minus 5k. Thats 9k. Then the casino will remove payment and bonus fees, which is usually around 50% or so of the remainder. And we arrive at 4.5k. Give or take some changes per month this is the amount.

That being said – someone like Roshtein who gets a HUGE following on twitch, or CasinoGrounds with their deals (they have investors), will make a lot more money. Rosh will be on a large Hybrid is my guess for his players, and he will be killing it. This is not how he affords his high stakes, thats fake bullshit, but it is how he gets the casinos to cover such large bonuses and balance he plays with. If he has an 8k total start balance and busts, the casino has to pay the game providers about 12% of this, payment 2%, and their own fees. They are losing 1.6k from that 8k “loss” rosh had. So his deal will be adjusted to reflect this.

So while we see “55% rev share and 150£ CPA”, these arent the numbers the affiliates get. Its far far lower. Basically think 25% of whatever you think they get, thats what they get.

@eejit101, articulation personified …………….

You saying im not articulate enough? Or… being nice? Never sure around here any more!

Don’t be silly man … articulation personified ….. you’re  explaining In a clear and articulate way ( so nobody can misunderstand what you’re  saying, because facts and experience  ) your explanation is a personification of what an explanation should be ( you said what you said “ beautifully “…….)

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@eejit101. I have no doubt that what you say is correct and thanks for your detailed answer.

I would guess that the second scenario is the most likely and as you say, he must be making a damn fortune. I would expect he is playing with funded accounts and the reason for this is he always shows his deposit and withdraws. If any transactions are made to/from an account that he doesn’t have direct access to then there is minimal risk to the casino. They can just top it up each day with a few thousand and he’s good to go.

There is one shred of evidence to back up his claims – the fact that two casinos recently increased his wagering requirements from 30 to 35x. But this could also be explained by him hitting his max cashout limit too often. I’m sure the casinos monitor every euro.

If this is true, it’s diabolical. How many donkeys would see him cashing out 100k from an 8k deposit and think they can do the same thing? How many lives have been ruined…

I have never gambled and never will, but I can understand that to someone with a problem this could be irresistible.

 

 

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Nick, as in the guy who once said he “just can’t relate” to the bandit anymore because of his high stakes, who then himself proceeds to raise his stakes?

Yeah he a wank shed occupying, nappy wearing, microphone head.

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jamie_evans wrote:

Nick, as in the guy who once said he “just can’t relate” to the bandit anymore because of his high stakes, who then himself proceeds to raise his stakes?

Yeah he a wank shed occupying, nappy wearing, microphone head.

Now now …….. the shed didn’t do anything ………..

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Can you get me a screen grab or something of him showing it? I want to see what he showed plz. Or a link to any video.

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