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[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Argyl…. Stop acting like you don’t edit comments. You got a reaction and when i prove you wrong you change the comment. Easy done. You were here with an opinion as a none gambler. Your opinion was on a site that obviously you can’t use because you had to make sure other people stopped you from gambling, rather than stop gambling yourself. That is why you are less responsible than me in relation to gambling. That is why i said you can’t take responsibility for your own actions like me. If i need to stop i don’t need other people to stop for me. Your opinion was that people should stop spending money at video slots and hit them where it hurts. That means you are going out of your way to tell people on gambling forums that they should not play with video slots. Why it has anything to do with you, i don’t know. I like playing there like others who enjoy over 3,000 slots.If 10,000 spins isn’t much then the RTP in that time isn’t as important as you seem to think. 3,000 slots at least plus  x10,000 spins on each is equal to at least 30 million spins. So people that spin more than 10,000 times on one slot are almost always going to end up a loser before they stop playing that game.The same can’t be said for 10,000 spins. The increased RTP gives a slightly higher chance to win. What use is that if you play a game too long to make sure you don’t? You are meant to do it for fun or not do it at all. A better way to win playing slots is to play 10,000 spins and move onto another. If you don’t and you want to play the same one because you enjoy playing it, you have no reason to cry about losing money on it.

Comments can only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Again, all this stuff about me calling for people to boycott VS is all in your head, I never said this and certainly didn’t go back and edit comments to try and hide the evidence. I’m really not so sad that I go back and edit comments on the internet to try and make myself look right. Perhaps you’re projecting your own mentality on to me?

I said I would play a 96% version of a slot over a lower RTP version of the same slot. I said I believe VS should have told players clearly about the changes to RTP on some of their games. That’s all. Again, everything else is in your head.

Your comments about RTP are wrong. Probability theory is a subject I know very well and have explored and explained the how’s and why’s of slot RTP in great detail in previous threads. Can’t be bothered to do it again now but you are free to look at this example:

Let’s look at a slot’s programming

P.s. you are right about real, physical coin tosses. They are not strictly random in terms of Newtonian physics, neither are roulette wheel spins because “true random” events only occur at the quantum level. Nonetheless, as their outcomes are dependent on so many tiny variables which cannot all be known in advance, they are in practice random and will confirm to the law of large numbers as the number of events increases. This is indeed a mildly interesting point.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

The advantage to using some external source of entropy to generate something closer to “true randomness” is not to the player anyway, it’s to Pokerstars; it means it’s highly unlikely anyone could break their system such that they could predict how the virtual decks of cards will be shuffled and dealt.

In terms of statistical randomness, hardware RNGs and cryptographically secure PRNGs do not provide qualitatively better randomness than e.g. Mersenne-Twister algorithm, they’re just less vulnerable to attack. If you write a computer program which simulates a million coin tosses using MT pseudo random and another which does the same via a hardware RNG, you will find the results are statistically almost identical and show an even 50/50 between heads and tails to the accuracy you would expect from the law of large numbers.

There’s no particular point to this post by the way, I just like maths and computer science.

 

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

my suggestion is the predictive type … the game outlines how many spins before a bonus will drop … and questions if you want to spin to the bonus in normal play

To tell you how many spins remain until a bonus drops, the game would have to be not random.

or go straight to the bonus with the remaining spin amount needed deducted ….

So…buying the bonus?

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

And to address the other remaining point where trr420 says something along the lines of “RTP doesn’t matter because it’s over millions of spins so the first 10,00 spins are pure luck”

Actually, any and every spin is pure luck. Not the first 10, not the first million, not the first billion. Every spin is pure chance and luck as to whether you win or lose.

The reason RTP matters, then, as much on the first spin as the millionth is very simple; there’s a world of difference between having a 1 in 5 chance of getting lucky versus a 1 in 20 chance.

Of course your odds matter! If a reduction in RTP lowers your chance of getting lucky, that directly and obviously affects you as the player.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

i find the bits where he says I don’t take responsibility for my gambling and losses and say it’s the fault of casinos to be particularly amusing, as forum regulars will be aware I’ve consistently argued the precise opposite. I remember writing a lengthy post a long time ago in some argument with (probably) JB or Mr B where I said I’d love to be able to say it was never my fault and I was an innocent victim of a corrupt industry or rigged games or whatever but it simply isn’t true, it was always my choice and I always knew what I was doing.

Signing up to Gamstop is taking personal responsibility for my gambling; I recognised I had a problem and decided to own it and do something about it. I didn’t sit there whinging it wasn’t fair, that I should always win or that casinos should be refunding me, I just went right, I’m going to deal with this because it’s my life and my problem and I can’t be putting myself in a situation where I can’t pay my bills.

But I still think Video Slots or any other casino which changes the odds on any games they offer should clearly tell the players affected.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

While I gather the mixed vitriol is aimed at multiple people, again let’s take a minute to bear in mind all the bits aimed at me have come entirely and exclusively from me saying I think Video Slots should have clearly informed players about the RTP reduction.

That’s it.

At no point did I say this other guy wasn’t allowed to disagree (quite the opposite – apparently I’m the one not allowed an opinion because I no longer play at VS). At no point did I say VS should be shut down or forced out of the UK market. At no point did I say any losses I’ve had in my life were the fault of a casino rather than my own. At no point did I call for increased regulation of casinos or game providers. At no point did I say a game shouldn’t be allowed to have 94%, 92% or X% RTP. At no point did I call for people to boycott VS.

All this stuff has happened entirely in his imagination.

And yet I’m the “schizophrenic nutcase”? ?

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

???

@trr420 please do an encore, that is by far the most entertaining tantrum I’ve seen on here this year.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

How do you know it was Casumo who reported suspicion to the police, out of interest?

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Can’t be arsed to dig through the rambling nonsense any more. Somehow from me going “I think players are right to be annoyed that VS took reduced RTP versions of popular games and didn’t make it clear they’d done that”, a whole bunch of deep inferences about my character and personality have been made. Amazing what you can tell about someone from a single sentence!

I can’t be arsed to explain RTP either, as a lot of previous experience on this forum with other posters of a similar ilk has taught me they won’t understand the maths, just want to argue the toss anyway for its own sake and it isn’t worth the time.

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Oldmoon wrote:

degenerate gambler Aka mr b,if I told you I had a black cat would you tell me you had a blacker one?

Not only does he have a blacker car but unless his cat is sitting on your lap right now, you don’t even have a right to an opinion on whether or not it’s right to let cats eat canned tuna.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

trr420 wrote:

As for VS – Im with argyl. I play there. Well i did. Now i play elsewhere as I get 96%. Ok , but the diference between you and him is you gamble and he doesn’t You were free to go elsewhere and did. So enjoy getting 96% elsewhere and stop trying to get them out of the UK market so that people like me that want to play there still can and will continue to. Did you leave for life or would/will you return when all Uk Casinos follow them and reduce the RTP? If all other Casinos reduce the RTP.

Mate, it’s very likely I’ve gambled way more than you have, in fact I feel sorry for you if you’re unfortunate enough to be someone who has gambled more over the years than I have. You do not have any special right to an opinion on anything gambling related that I don’t.

I’ll also add as you seem to be unclear about this; only some game providers offer casinos different versions of their games with different RTP. A casino can’t by itself affect the odds or RTP of any game. But Play N Go for example offer three different versions of Book of Dead (I think 92, 94 and 96%) and the casino gets to choose which one it wants, whereas other providers like Greentube (Novomatic) don’t do this.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

You are calling for people to hit videoslots where it hurts. Not to spend their money there. You don’t gamble and if people already have the ability to make their own choice, then why are you supporting them losing customers, money and having to leave the UK ? Why would you be so upset that you would attack my opinion like it doesn’t matter when i gamble with them and you don’t?

I know the answer. The answer is you lost a lot of money and had to gamstop yourself. The only reason you wouldn’t care less about them not being an option for UK players is because you don’t gamble or play there. So, i just hope people look at the facts and don’t get sucked in by all the misleading information and the people out to twist their decision making process for personal comfort or gain. Almost all Casinos i visit now have lots of slots at 92/94/95% RTP now. A lot of the new games coming out, too. What will people do if they want to gamble and can’t because the RTP was reduced to 94% on all Casinos? I’m guessing they would return and suck it up.

I’m not calling for anyone to do anything, nor am I upset. I’m expressing my personal opinion on a forum about a subject which interests me due to a vast amount of personal experience. I’ve been a gambler for years and worked on building software in related industries, so I have both a good understanding of and interest in how virtual gaming works. No idea why you’re getting so worked up on the idea there’s got to be something more to it than that; there isn’t.

I was a regular customer of Video Slots until early this year when I decided to take a break from gambling. I’ve played millions of spins on dozens of games at many different casinos. Your repeated attempts at gatekeeping this conversation as if you have some greater claim to an opinion just because you currently gamble and I don’t is frankly bizarre.

As for facts and misleading information, maybe you should stop misleading people. It’s simply not true that differences in long term RTP don’t have a direct and significant impact on game behaviour and the average session for a player. So yes, it matters. You are welcome to your differing opinion in respect of whether or not VS or casinos in general should have an ethical duty to inform players when they bring in a new version of a game which affects a player’s odds – I argue they do. Personally, if I was still gambling and I could play Book of Dead at 92% on VS or the same game at 94% on Casumo, it’s a no brainer which casino I’d choose and I’d be unhappy being a customer of any casino which changed the odds of a game I played without telling me. Again, if you’d play the lower RTP version or not care, that’s fine, that’s your opinion.

My favourite games were from providers like Greentube and NetEnt who don’t offer versions of their games with different RTPs. Almost all slots from these providers are in the 94-98% range and the RTP for games like Book of Ra is exactly the same on every casino which has it.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

trr420 wrote:

No… my opinion is that trying to stop people getting shot dead by dangerous weapons is important; and trying to get videoslots to go bust and leave the UK because you don’t like how they handled something not concerning you in the slightest isn’t, or shouldn’t be, as important to you as gun controls. One concerns you and the other doesn’t. If you want to have an opinion on stupid shit that doesn’t involve you in any way and try and damage the reputation of a site that hasn’t actually committed a crime or harmed you financially in any way, so be it. You are right, you are allowed to do it.  It doesn’t mean you gain anything and you are just a gambler that can’t control his gambling and now resorts to attacking Casinos as a way of healing himself.

 

? Again you’re just making up and attacking shit I simply haven’t said, or even anything remotely close. Where have I tried to have Video Slots shutdown or forced out of the UK market? I haven’t. The only thing I’ve said is I think it’s wrong for them to bring in lower RTP versions of popular games without properly informing players so they can make a reasonable choice as to whether or not they continue to deposit at that casino. In fact my posting history will show you I’m by and large a defender of casinos and the gambling industry against nutty conspiricists.

You’re an utter lunatic, mate ???

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I’ve never owned a gun but I still have opinions about gun ownership laws. No idea what you think your point is…. it’s hard to tell amongst the rambling nonsense about Mars bars and flu and the BBC. What is it you think? That because I haven’t gambled online in the last 10 months I’m no longer allowed to be a part of this community or have an opinion on Video Slots?

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

@trr420 what the fuck are you even on about? You’ve made up a bunch of stuff I didn’t say and then attacked it. I don’t play at Video Slots, I don’t play at all right now because I’m on GamStop. I haven’t complained to VS or anyone else about unpaid bonuses or whatever it is you’re banging on about, nor did I say players had some divine right to a certain RTP level.

What I’ve said is that VS bringing in lower RTP versions of popular games and not clearly informing players is something I believe to be wrong, the implication being anyone who also feels that way should vote with their wallet and play somewhere else. That is all.

And btw, your analogy about chocolate bars is wrong because when buying a Mars you inescapably see the chocolate bar and its size before you pay for it, not after.

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