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[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

What was their basis for the dispute and refusing to pay? Why were you not able to get the money after the MGA ruled for you?

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

There are NO facts here on either side of the argument. On Argyls side his facts” are soley based on owner/management hearsay. And written laws and regs given to him by in my mind unreliable sources.

I’ve posted facts hundreds of times which you’ve never been able to refute or respond to. Nothing to do with hearsay. I’ve even shown the maths and code of exactly how a slot can be random and still be guaranteed to be profitable in the long term. And I have no idea what you mean by regulations and laws given by “unreliable sources” – the law is a matter of public record, it’s very easy to look up straight from source.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Well I’m being thorough because there’s a lot going in the gaming industry which is questionable at best and criminal at worst. I’ve never said gambling is a totally clean business, just that in the UK market the games are not rigged and casinos can’t influence how they play or when they pay out. I make this point because contrary to JB’s and awesomex’s frequent accusations, I’m not partisan, I’m not pro-the-casinos. If someone wants to show me convincing evidence games in the UK are rigged, I’ll be frigging delighted because I’ll suddenly have a solid case to sue and get back 15 years of gambling losses. Difference is I draw my conclusions from evidence, whereas they start with an ideological belief and then try to find and cherry-pick evidence which fits that position and disregard anything which doesn’t. That’s zealotry, that’s devotion, that’s being what JB calls a sheeple.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Look fellas, I’m a newbie but I’ve been reading through this thread and I just wanted to say I think this Argyl geezer speaks a lot of sense. He’s obviously super intelligent, I wouldn’t be surprised if his IQ was around 181. And he clearly knows his stuff about gambling and the laws and regulation and all that. I think you should think about what he says.

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Aww nuts, I meant to post this from my other account 😀

Back on topic, for me I’d say the power is with the consumer. In a way there’s nothing wrong with making YouTube videos to promote casinos by showing the games on demo play, or with a casino funded account. It’s not like it changes anything about the games or how they play. Ethically I do think if you do that as opposed to gambling for real with your own money, you should be honest and say it’s what you’re doing, but I don’t think it’s an obligation. Either way for me as the viewer, it’s pretty obvious if you’re promoting shady casinos with shady games, or playing on demo / with funds which aren’t yours. Like Paul says, there are some reactions you just can’t easily fake. So when I spot people like Roshtein, another one we’ve been talking about recently, when I look at how he plays, where he plays, and his reactions, I don’t believe it’s real and I subsequently don’t watch him. I also wouldn’t dream of using any casino he promoted.

I’ve never said there isn’t any shady practice at all in the gambling industry, just that online games under UK licensing and regulation aren’t rigged. Shady practices which definitely do happen in the industry are:

1. Unfair games from unregulated, unscrupulous vendors and casinos outside UK regulation, either with lower RTP than stated or non random results.

2. The use of dubious, deliberately obscured terms and conditions and “small print”, particularly with the use of bonus funds or winnings from bonuses, to delay, limit or void paying out winnings. *When it’s clearly stated in the T&C, I don’t regard this as shady, to be honest as a player you are a fool to not read the terms of any online casino on which you deposit. I do regard it as shady if these terms were not stated, or deliberately obfuscated / made hard to find.

3. Offering high profile affiliates funded accounts which mimic real play, real deposits and real withdrawals, but the affiliate doesn’t actually own the balance or accounts.

4. Backroom deals to do things like promote certain games or offer player incentives on certain games.

5. Encouraging further gambling, ignoring problem gambling patterns or failing to adequately investigate unusual account activity or accepting money believed to be the proceeds of crime, or without passing AML checks.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Careful there, Hawking; JB already got a week in the naughty corner for taking a conversation down that road.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Nice try, but on online live roulette like Rocknrolla plays and like I’ve played, there’s very little background noise and you can hear the ball loud and clear every spin.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

awesomex wrote:

How do regulators discover this: <iframe src=”https://www.youtube.com/embed/_7o-wpe5xZk?feature=oembed&#8221; width=”640″ height=”480″ frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen=””></iframe>

Makes me think of Rocknrolla’s video where they stopped it mid spin, changed the ball and he started losing every spin, and lost 70k or something

What, you seriously telling me you can’t see and hear the difference between how the first ball spins at 0:20 versus the vibrating ball at 1:36? Anyone who’s played roulette at least once would spot that a mile off.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

There’s been proof of casinos cheating in every single live casino game

As they say on Wikipedia, citation needed.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Just Basics wrote:

I fucking love this forum. And now I have a tiny army backing me up on the “odd” occasion…i feel great. ?

I’ve gone fucking ages here being Battered, Belittled, Put down and Laughed at so many times. And all because I have a different point of view to the sheeple. Yeah sometimes its because I’m retarded’ but mostly it’s cos I hate liars!

And the sheeple just love to throw their evidence, given by the very company’s conning us in my low IQ face.

It’s nice to have people here now waking up to the way we get manipulated and conned. And we’ve had a fucking nough of it.

Things need to change

Affiliates need to be transparent

Put fucking disclaimers on ya fucking videos or streams. It’s not fackin rocket science!

Just stop with the fucking lies. And banning people cos we ask hard hitting questions.

Just look at how much respect and love Bandit and Rolla get from their followers. They keep it simple, don’t manipulate or lie, and in the end…count their fucking money.

It’s simple as fucking peas people!

 

 

To the best of my recollection, you’ve never been laughed at for suggesting there might be streamers out there using fake accounts provided to them by less than reputable casinos, you’ve been scorned for your repeated baseless claims that online slots produced by major UK licenced providers are rigged, that casinos can control how and when a player wins or loses, and that there’s a conspiracy between providers, casinos and streamers to show fraudulent big wins real players can’t and don’t get. That there are dodgy streamers using fake money is a completely different thing and not a fact which has ever been in dispute.

It tickles me pink the way you have this enormous ego and never get tired of talking about yourself. Whenever someone uses the phrase “sheeple”, it’s a very reliable indicator they aren’t able to think for themselves and are in fact a sheep, just one that happens to chew grass in the anti-establishment / conspiracy pasture. But yeah, well done for being a stopped clock; if you think absolutely everything is fake, very occasionally you’ll be right (in this case about something no one doubted). Doesn’t change the fact you’ve been wrong hundreds more times.

And you’ve never been banned for “asking hard hitting questions”, you’ve been banned for being abusive and vile towards other members.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Like the other 700 cookie-cutter megaways games, looks like absolute shite. When Bonanza was released, Megaways was a great concept; I tip my hat to BTG for coming up with it. But the sheer amount of vendors and titles jumping on this bandwagon is starting to annoy me now. Every new release now is just some existing established brand reworked as megaways and give or take a few minor details, they’re all the same.

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I haven’t seen the videos being referred to, nor do I know anything about the Australian gaming industry so I’m staying well out. I’m just pointing out the mere establishment that someone streaming online is being funded by some casino and not using their own real funds doesn’t prove they never gamble for real in any form.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Oh right. Well just because someone is a fake streamer online, doesn’t mean everything they do is fake. Maybe he uses the revenue from affiliation to gamble for real on land based machines.

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I don’t know how this thread has ended up going on about Australian pokies and buying old machines but to chime in as far as the UK goes; old arcade gambling machines, like the triple 7s which had Rainbow Riches, Reel King etc. yeah you can buy those second hand and rewire it so you don’t have to put notes in. But bookie FOBTs or casino terminals where you can play Novomatics and the like? No, not a chance. Even if you somehow got hold of one of the physical machines, it ain’t doing shit off the network, won’t even start up.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

“Look, I could prove this if I wanted to. I have facts, I have more facts than anyone. I’ve spent my whole life having facts. Let me tell you, my IQ is really high. It’s 180. Einstein didn’t have an IQ as high as mine. Everyone agrees. The left want are putting out fake news, they’re telling you I don’t have any facts and I can’t prove this, but I can prove it. Just watch me prove it. Everyone’s gonna be saying how the left said I couldn’t prove it and I did and I’m really smart. I can prove anything I want, but I’m not gonna, ’cause I’m really smart with a high IQ.”

You are Donald Trump and I claim my £5.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

As far as the game on the remote game server is concerned, your balance is your balance; it has no idea whether the particular casino you’re playing at has given you a bonus or not and the RTP or likelihood of winning certainly does not vary because of bonus funds.

Always remember as a gambler – humans love to see patterns in random chaos. We can’t help it, because it’s physically hard-wired in to how our brains work. Humans don’t understand the concepts of chance or probability very well so it’s only natural to cherry pick certain memories and think you’ve spotted a repeated behaviour in how a game plays, but all that’s really happening is your brain is disregarding the many examples it holds of sequences happening which don’t fit your perceived pattern.

And even if you disregard that nugget, ask yourself this; given even with bonus funds they provide to players, casinos still have to pay providers their share of revenue from the play in real cash, why would it be in either their interests or the game providers’ to give you a better RTP and make you more likely to beat the wagering and get a cash out in those circumstances? it’s the last thing they want. Bonuses basically only exist so you can get a longer playing time and budget out of money you’re wholly expecting to lose. It’s a psychological trick to make you write off a hundred quid or two from the moment you click deposit and still feel like you got a bargain.

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