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KseQ wrote:

i always have one question in my opinion the stakes when you have 2£+ they are less likely to give some decent win instead 0.20p 0.40p

 

The stake doesn’t actually make a difference to how the game plays, rather the perception arises because most people are low rollers who predominantly play on 20p/40p. If you give a game thousands of spins on 20p but can only a couple of hundred at £2, obviously the chances are your big wins happened to occur at the lower stake.

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Wins over that as so few and far between but i just think they do compensate for the shit bonuses.

Wins in the size of 2000x and above are so comparatively rare – for example, in literaly millions of real play spins on dozens of different games and hundreds of bonus features over a number of years, I only ever hit wins above 2000x three times – that I don’t think they may make as much of a dent in the overall RTP as you might think. Most of the RTP comes from your frequent small wins, as little as 1/2x, in the base game. When they’re happening every other spin it adds up to a lot in the long run. And as online slots are random, the long term RTP is just accounted for in the game design – money isn’t actually being taken from other players to fund someone else’s large bonus inside the game like a compensated fruit machine.

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Having played on arcade and bookmaker’s machines extensively for well over 10 years before I stopped, I can safely say there’s nothing in the world of gambling I’d like less than for online slots to be more like FOBTs.

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I’d prefer different games to have different styles of play, max win potential and volatility, which is basically what we have now. If every game had the same set volatility, average bonus payout and max win, what on earth would be the difference in the thousands of slot games which exist other than the graphics on them? It would make slots boring.

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Do you really think casinos are willing to risk players like Rocknrolla and Bandit knocking them for 100k each every day? No. They’re not gonna leave it to chance. Initially the games are likely as described, but if someone is rolling huge, the casinos will have safeguards that come out of the closet to stop people from winning too much. Safeguards which regulators either don’t see, or are paid to not see.

I don’t defend casinos, I just don’t believe wild claims without evidence. I also know a fair bit about both the applicable laws and regulation and how the programming of slots actually works. This is alongside a lifetime of personal experience as a player, which also firmly tells me I’m not being illicitly cheated.

As for Malta, many gambling firms are based there for the simple reason the country offers very favourable tax arrangements on their revenue. In terms of regulation for fairness and player safety, they’re actually nearly as strict as the UK.

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Giving Bonanza £500 at £2 is kind of bad gambling strategy, tbh. Megaways titles with increasing multipliers in the bonus are the most amenable games to low stakes you can possibly hope for – we know most of those bonuses are going to go for 10-50x, it’s the occasional beast that hits 500, 1000 or even 10,000 times your stake. And those happen when you get the multiplier up big. Even 40p on Bonanza can return a couple of grand if you hit a mega lucky bonus, as a couple of people on this site have. But given most of them will average low to medium wins, the only good strategy with higher stakes is a small number of spins. To burn through £500 at £2, I’d wager you gave it over 1000 spins. Play £100 at £4 and hope you get lucky enough to hit the bonus, or play at 20p / 40p and know if it goes big, you’re still going to get a decent wedge.

 

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Oh lordy. Dead or Alive 2: it’s just come out, it’s getting millions of spins as thousands of players hit it each day, it’s not surprising that you’re seeing some monstrous wins after a highly anticipated new game release. These will continue for probably a couple of months as the game gets that many more frequent spins than other titles, then settle down and drop off as people start to lose interest and move on to the next new release.

Spin a win: don’t know what that is, not a game I’ve ever seen in the UK. Doesn’t looked rigged to me in the video but I’m not going to comment on something I don’t know more about.

Rocknrolla roulette: mmm, was it rigged all those times he hit jackpot numbers for 10, 20, 30k or more at a time too? I’ve seen that guy start with £40 and get it up to 3 grand in a matter of minutes from a sequence of lucky live roulette hits. He bets big, he wins big, he loses big, that’s both his thing and the nature of roulette.

Jammin’ jars: this has already been explained. The game is random in compliance with regulation, but its implementation is unusual for a slot in that each spin is more like a virtual scratchcard and not independent reel sets, hence you can get two identical wins which play out exactly the same way in the presentation to the player. Irregular for a slot to work that way, but understandable given how the slot was designed and not in any way less fair or less random than any other game, just works differently.

Blackjack: no particular comment on the video, I never played blackjack but honestly if a casino is going to cheat you at live blackjack, they’re not going to do it in such an obvious, ham-fisted way as the dealer skipping a card right in front of you on camera. Perhaps someone else can speculate on what might’ve happened with that one, I don’t know the game well enough to say but I certainly wouldn’t take one dealer’s hand slipping on one round on one casino as proof that it’s deliberately rigged. Again I’ve seen Rocknrolla win loads of high stake consecutive blackjack hands.

This very site gets dozens of submissions every week of ordinary, non-affiliated players on slots hitting wins up to hundreds and even thousands of times their stake. If casinos and providers between them are in a conspiracy to rig games and cheat players out of money, the Big Wins page is solid evidence they’re not very good at it.

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£120 is a full-on piss take, the processor alone is worth that much. You could sell that PC for about a grand on eBay.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

That “I” portray, like you are in a position to deem the source as I told you, to be made up, by me. When I presented the facts as I saw them, I didn’t portray anything, I shared the facts, as I saw them, sighting the source.

“casinos killing people”. wow. I suppose I must said painted that picture too, although if someone did, it would be taken as a meaningful piece of art.

You say 21 suicides in 15 years. The source I sighted said 44 suicides in 6 weeks early 2018.

I see your motive. Not shocked

Can you ever straightforwardly answer a point without posting garbled nonsense? Most of what you’ve written here aren’t even coherent English sentences.

Let’s try one of the few that is:

“<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>You say 21 suicides in 15 years. The source I sighted said 44 suicides in 6 weeks early 2018.”</span>

My source is the Office of National Statistics records of coroner reports where gambling was recorded as a known factor. What’s your source? Because these are wildly different figures.

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Mr B wrote:

argyl53 wrote:

I don’t know where Mr B gets his figures because he

never

cites a source

 

I believe….no I know I did cite a source and it was somewhat credible ie an established newspaper quoting source from politicians. Geezawin replied to it. However that may have been on a thread that was fully removed by Seedy.

And the suicides aren’t the only problem. Just walked in, haven’t read the rest.

The only credible source for UK gambling suicides is records of coroner inquiries where gambling was known to be a factor in the death. We can’t speculate how many other suicides it may have been a factor in; suicide is a complex psychological area and many people have killed themselves where’s there’s simply not enough information, even among those closest to them, to ever understand why they did it. According to those statistics we do have, we can only cite 21 cases in 15 years. When you compare that not just to the number of gamblers, but even known problem gamblers (approx. 300,000 I believe), it suggests there is not quite the epidemic of casinos killing people you tend to portray.

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Bonus buys are terrible, just an equivalent to the recently banned £20 mega spins on FOBTs. If a bonus buy costs 100x, that immediately tells me the average bonus payout is considerably less than 100x. You might as well just cover a few numbers on roulette if you’re going to play that way.

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I don’t know where Mr B gets his figures because he never cites a source but according to the ONS, in 2001-2016 in England and Wales there were 21 suicides where gambling was referenced by the coroner. So about 1.4 per year.

We have no reliable data regarding to what extent gambling influences suicide, or how many suicides influenced by it may also be attributable to other mental health factors – though we do know gambling addiction often coincides with other issues and can be used as a coping mechanism.

I’m all up for having an intellectually honest debate about the degree of protection offered against and help offered for gambling addiction and what the practicable solutions might be.

Unfortunately such a debate cannot be driven by emotional reaction. It’s something which demands fair, unbiased analysis and critical thinking. I can only conclude Mr B is not interested in an honest conversation, just feeding his own hysteria on the subject.

They’re murdering babies and none of you care!

I don’t think you’re going to get a sensible conversation with that kind of thing as a starting point. I deal in facts and endeavour to form my judgements based on facts. Mr B, driven by emotion, will post things which are factually incorrect and then lose his shit when someone calls that out.

The funny part is I don’t even disagree there could be more done in respect of problem gambling, that’s not the issue, the issue is I can’t have a meaningful conversation with someone who refuses to contemplate the possibility they might ever be even a little bit wrong about something.

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No I sincerely want to know….I made 3 claims in my last few posts:

1. KYC is part of regulation created to prevent money laundering and crime and is not specific to the gambling industry, rather they are just one of the sectors covered by it.

2. KYC checks, while something casinos are required to undertake, is not the only information they use when determining whether or not a player’s account should be flagged as a potential problem gambler.

3. Gambling addiction often coincides with pre-existing mental health issues which may be a contributing factor in suicides among gambling addicts.

So…which of these claims is it Mr B thinks is wrong / incorrect? It must be at least one of them because I haven’t said anything else.

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Mr B wrote:

Argyl, you’re taking the piss. I know what you said. I sat and watched you repeatedly avoid the issue.

Now you want to try and call the evidence into question. You’re cut off. Holistic… they’re dead. hundreds of them, per year. They/you/eejit doesn’t care.

Anything negative about the industry is said on this forum, you’re there. You’re cut off. Piss in the wind.

What the actual fuck are you on about?

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You said KYC only exists because of gambling addiction, I said it had nothing to do with that and in fact is a key part of AML regulation which is equally applicable to other industries unrelated to gambling. You can quibble over phrasing but I think what I meant was pretty clear; KYC does not exist because of or in response to gambling addiction, nor is it specific to the gambling industry, they are just one of the sectors required to carry it out. Most casinos take a more holistic approach when looking at a players account to determine whether they should be classed as a problem gambler.

<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>It’s interesting that you are adament gambling is </span>causing<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”> suicides, when gambling itself is often used as a coping mechanism for existing mental health issues. What’s your evidence there weren’t other factors in play in the people behind the statistics you give?</span>

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