Forum

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I don’t think homophobic slurs, or JB’s offensive insults and conduct in general, should be allowed on a forum. It’s exactly because I think this is a decent forum that I couldn’t believe he was being allowed to keep doing it. Wasn’t meant as a dig at you Steve, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you.

By the end of that thread, my conduct wasn’t exactly perfect either for which I apologise, it takes a lot to wind me up but I did get wound up.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

In reference to “Dragon’s Den”, if the business model was “it’s a coin toss at £1 a go but if you win you get £1.80 not £2”, that would be a profitable business to invest in with a 10% house edge / 90% long term RTP. But it’s still completely random and not rigged.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

In reference to Mr B’s rather unusual definition of rigged, my position was that you imagine a bet on the outcome of a (fair and entirely random) roll of a dice, where numbers 1-4 pay nothing, 5 is money back and 6 is 2.5 times your bet back.

That game can in no way be accused of being rigged under any sensible definition, yet it is a profit yielding game for the vendor with a mere 58% long term RTP. It is also exactly how online slots work, just a much more simplified example, equivalent to a single reel, single win line slot.

 

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

It ended with Just Basics saying me and Biohazard were gay for each other and making homophobic slurs. His usual sort of M.O. when he doesn’t have any counterargument to someone explaining why he’s wrong about something…throw nasty insults and then claim he was the victim.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Off a quick read (sorry on my phone), looks like everything you’ve said is spot on.

The only thing I’d add in relation to online slots is that there is no requirement for them to be “true random” (which as you point out, is not a capability any computer has since they are by definition deterministic state machines). They are required to be “acceptably random”, which means they play within what a statistical analysis would consider random as per your comments on standard deviation.

Fact is, using hardware RNGs to seed a pseudo RNG, or by using device entropy as a software CSPRNG, we can simulate a million coin tosses and get an almost exactly 50/50 split between heads and tails. That may not be “true random”, but it’s close enough in every practical sense.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Really happy for your win, but this:

I thought right, it’s cost me nothing, 60p on reactoonz. Well. Span dead spin after dead spin for £90. I’m down at £50 and gutted/tilted. Fuck it. £1 spins. Never done it in my life.

Alongside this:

Thats officially it for me now. I no longer need to gamble. I’m secure as far as bills and money go for months.

Makes me think it’s worth reminding you – if you’re the kind of person who tilts easily, really do not gamble and stay away from the slots entirely. Don’t be tempted to think “I’ve got £1500, a cheeky tenner won’t put a dent in that” or whatever. Keep the money and don’t look back!

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Casumo (you may want @Seedy to edit that typo!) was one of my favourites for their reputable conduct, speedy verification, awesome bonus system and range of games. Only thing that ever annoyed me was their tendency to sit on withdrawals for about 18 hours before approving them. In contrast, whenever I withdrew at my verified Rizk account it was approved literally 2 minutes later.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

bobweenit wrote:

guy is rolling in it atm

made a fortune on the slots and even more from all the affiliate earnings

I hear every time someone who signed up via his link loses £1, The Bandit gets 99p.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Bonanza is the only BTG title I enjoyed playing, but all their games are ultra high variance where a thousand people will either give it hundreds of spins without a bonus or the bonus is worthless garbage, then that one person somewhere will get a mental 10,000x hit.

That’s how they roll. Not games you play if you want to run through 500 spins and end up with a profit, they’re more suited to giving them the odd hundred spins and either hitting a monster on a tiny chance or walking away.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Not convinced personally it will lead to the huge rise in online gambling some people are predicting. You probably will get some roulette jockeys who move online but a big part of the attraction of high street FOBTs was depositing and instantly withdrawing in hard cash, often spontaneously. Many people won’t want gambling transactions on their bank statements, or play in the bookies on a whim when they walk past.

As for slots, no one’s going to replace their FOBT £50 mega/fortune spin habit by playing £50 spins online. Very few online games have these “mega spin” modes and they’re nothing like playing an ordinary single slot spin but at £50 stake. I think those people will very likely stick to FOBT slots at £2 stake.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

My advice would be never play roulette or table games with bonus funds unless they’re specifically a table game bonus. Bonuses in general are meant for slots, you’ll find at many casinos if used on table games a typical max £5 total bet still applies and winnings don’t count towards wagering.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

All i know for certain is that if a computer is used for the RNG then the results can never be truly random.

Yes, this is correct. Computers are by definition deterministic state machines. They run algorithms and if given the same input, an algorithm will always produce the same output. But the input to the algorithm can be truly random. If for example it’s based on measuring the intervening time it takes for two Cesium 137 isotopes to decay (a natural sub-atomic level event which is truly random), there is no way to know in advance what number will be given to the computer with which to produce a pseudo-random number. It cannot be manipulated, it cannot be foreseen, thus the result can be considered random.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I’ve had five scatters on Secret of the Stones, it only paid about 150x. I’ve had a multiplier and wild reels 2 and 4 off three scatters for about 750x, that was my biggest ever bonus.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Eugh. We’ve had this discussion before in relation to slots. Games under licence from the UK Gambling Commission are acceptably random in accordance with expected outcome of regular statistical analysis. Yes, computers can only generate pseudo random nimbers, which means the output number is the result of a mathematical algorithm applied to an input number. So if you know both the algorithm and the seed (input) number, you would be able to calculate the “random” output. What slots use are either software or hardware based cryptographically secure pseudo random numbers. The difference is that rather than the input seed being based on the current time, it’s instead based on noise factors which are impossible to know in advance. This might be device noise from the computer itself (think stuff like number of running processor threads, temperature, open file handles) or in hardware RNGs, indeterminate quantum phenomena such as whether or not a photon passes through a partially reflective mirror. The resulting computer calculation is still pseudo random, but it means the outcome is acceptably random from the point of view of statistical analysis. It’s random for all practical purposes. No, casinos cannot control the games, choose your RTP, or decide whether you win or lose. The long term theoretical RTP and house edge is a matter of game design, e.g. layout of the reels.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

It’s not just you. I can tell you from my own extensive stats this game used to bonus on average once every 40 spins with an average win of 28x. However about six months ago it underwent a version update and since then you’re lucky if it drops the scatters once in a hundred spins. The difficulty getting a bonus now is the reason The Bandit hardly ever plays it anymore.

[Author]

Posts