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k6kaysix wrote:

Reminds me of when the arcades swiftly started disabling the ‘original’ Barcrest pie gamble! (Rainbow Riches/Rocky etc)

Funnily enough they’re more than happy to leave on the all or nothing style of the new games such as Pick And Mix!

Ahhh I remember that one, £10 to £500 was so easy, multiple times a day. That was well over a decade ago, of course, when FOBTs weren’t basically just reverse ATMs. I kicked that habit a few years ago thankfully.

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I can imagine the meetings….”Big problem, guys, we’ve got a punter who’s winning! Yes, yes, I know; we all thought this was impossible but bloody Novomatic dropped the ball and made it possible to walk away with a profit. Obviously we need to shut this down immediately.”

In all seriousness, I can understand it causing a bit of a stir. Online casinos are not for the most part the money printing presses a lot of players think they are, they rely on the house edge to not be out of business. The Reel King ladder was obviously designed with an assumption that there would be very, very few players willing to risk pushing it to the top but since you started publicising about your wins, lord knows how many people are trying this strategy and winning even at a smaller scale. It wouldn’t take that many doing what you’re doing to push the game to an overall actual RTP higher than 100% and no provider or casino in the world is going to want a game with an effective negative edge.

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I posted another thread called something like “Slots and gambles, the rules” where I posted answers direct from the Gambling Commission to questions I asked them and the gist is while the fundamental outcome of a bet (i.e. spin costing money) on online slots has to be random, anything and everything else can be programmed or pre-determined, or random, or whatever else the licensed manufacturer sees fit, provided the customer is not “misled” about their chances of winning. There is an additional stipulation that skill-based elements such as prizes hidden on a map cannot have their locations changed during play and another that losing spins cannot be artificially substituted for “near misses”. Other than that the rules are surprisingly slack.

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The Bandit wrote:

I think Novomatic can provide several options for each casino, gamble on or off, a difference in RTP even, i think the casinos can choose a few things with that specific provider. Like some casinos have always had the gamble ladder being one gamble only so just a “top” each time that is double the initial win.

Other providers too. Play N Go for example offer I think 3 different RTPs for Book of Dead, ranging from 94-98% so always worth checking on the particular site you’re on before you play!

Had a feeling your unfortunately widely publicised success on Reel King would lead to the gamble being changed or removed. It may not even be a change at Greentube’s end, you may have single-handedly caused several casinos to shit themselves and hastily request the version with the gamble feature switched off!

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Captain Venture bonus, 1000x off 88 spins. Was only 30p stake though 🙁

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The great thing about a house and car is Reel King can never take those back. Anyway I expect give it another 2 weeks you’ll build up the tops and profit from £1.60 stakes all the way up to £20 if not £40 again. The important thing is you knew this was inevitable at some point and you did the smart thing with the bulk of the profit. If you hadn’t been willing to risk silly money to play the way you did, you wouldn’t be a mortgage-free homeowner right now so congratulations 🙂

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Not to mention the 3 separate occasions I back-to-back bonuses on it (literally, bonus then bonus again on the very next press) and at least 5 times i hit a bonus on the first spin.

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This is confirming my suspicion that I had consistent freak luck on Captain. I played it a lot and 6 times out of 10 I’d hit the wheels inside 50 spins, 9 times out of 10 within 100. This wasn’t a one off fluke, it was every time I played it for about 2 years.

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I had uncanny luck on Captain Venture compared to everyone else who’s posted about it on this forum. People talk of going hundreds of spins without seeing the feature, I once hit it 7 times in a single run of 150 spins. I’ve hit over 1000x on it twice and my bonuses regularly went for between 150-500x, to the point I’d be surprised whenever I got the odd rare one which paid less than 100x or didn’t retrigger. I also got frequently got quite far up the gamble ladder though I never had the balls to go all the way for the top. But several times I collected one or two away from it.

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Biohazard wrote:

argyl53 wrote:

Worst incident for me gambling was not actually the night recently which made me self exclude, it was a couple of years ago when in the space of one Friday-Sunday I went from a peak of £8k up to a low of £1.5k down, all on FOBTs.

That’s brutal on the FOBTs man. Bit off-topic, but I’m interested, how are you finding the self-exclusion at the moment? I know you were struggling a bit, more around filling the time, when you kicked it off, has it settled at all yet?

Maybe a little but still massively missing slots tbh, the worst is that I’m frequently dreaming about gambling. Sometimes it’s bug roulette or slot wins, sometimes it’s just me playing bloody Bonanza and sometimes it’s a relief to wake up because I’ve dreamt I lost big too but obviously it’s still on my mind. Gamstop is a blessing in that respect because I’m not sure my will would be holding without it. No temptation to go back to any other land based form of gambling such as FOBTs though as I ditched those ages ago and think of online as a whole different category.

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As far as I’m aware, while slots are required to be random, some of the details as to how they are random are at the manufacturer’s discretion. So as long as the bet outcome was fundamentally determined at random, whether that’s by ranges for possible win values or whether the reel position stops are random and wins are calculated off that is allowed to vary between slots. I’ve certainly never seen any technical guideline from the Ganbling Commission to suggest otherwise, though there may perhaps be more full implementation requirements than those in the publicly published policy documents I can access.

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Worst incident for me gambling was not actually the night recently which made me self exclude, it was a couple of years ago when in the space of one Friday-Sunday I went from a peak of £8k up to a low of £1.5k down, all on FOBTs.

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Catfish1604 wrote:

The Bandit wrote:

I don’t like £10 all that much and i don’t like £20. I have topped both before though and for good profit but generally, those stakes have always been a bit of a bitch to me. £2 too, it feels like the gamble is always twatted on £2 lol Again though, i have topped it before plenty of times.

They look like all the popular stakes where more people are playing and collecting the base wins so the games RTP is forfilled and there is no big pot to keep paying the tops, same with 20 & 40p, hope you get to hit the top later

This category of game is not allowed to be compensated outcomes, that’s literally in the rules published by the Gambling Commission, there is no pot accumulating. Really Steve has just got incredibly lucky exploiting what is essentially a design flaw in the mathematics of the game’s odds on the gamble feature. The only downside to any of this is that as he’s said many times himself, you have to have very deep pockets to be able to consistently beat it. And of course there is always the real risk if not inevitability that a big loss is coming where £40k in doesn’t quite manage to push it for £40k out. Honestly I am expecting the game’s gamble to re-evaluated and reprogrammed at some point.

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Well I can’t think of any explanation involving slots being random, so the only remaining logical conclusion is you’re under a gypsy curse. Burn some heather and sage leaves while waving around some primrose incense and chant “Slottyma” 6 times.

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You can hit big wins on 80p, I’ve had £1600 roll in on that stake and there’s potential for much more depending on what you play! Problem with £4 stake on £400 balance is most of the time, that’s just go in 10 minutes with no feature and I wouldn’t have felt like I’d had a decent session out of it. Each to their own of course!

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