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[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Please don’t apologise for the outburst. At the time you posted it, I took it a little personally having recently taken a big loss and written about it here. But that doesn’t mean you weren’t right to express what you thought at the time, it’s what we’re all here to do. It’s good when opinions grate, gets discussion flowing. And it’s not like there aren’t people hoping to take advantage of The Bandit’s random acts of charity, we all know there are, it’s just also important that members feel like they can talk about bad days and losses, addiction and struggles without prejudice as to their motivation because these things are fundamentally part of the gambling world.

I for example never thought I’d be one of those people going “oh god guys, I can’t pay my rent” – for ten years plus, I’ve always thrown away most of my disposable income on slots and there’ve been a few occasions where I knew I’d played more than I was comfortable with, but I never went overboard with it, never left myself in a position where the criticals and necessities for living weren’t fully paid up first. The events of last week frightened me (hence the immediate Gamstop sign up) because it really hit me how easy it was; I only lost control for barely ten minutes. Ten minutes in ten years and it was enough for me to lose more than I would normally lose in three months.

A few weeks ago, I was elatedly posting a screenshot of a full screen of the 2nd highest premium symbol on Book of Ra – £1600 off an 80p spin. I definitely do not fall in to the “woe is me, I never get any good luck gambling” crowd. I’ve had some stonking huge wins over the years (I played at low stakes, so they weren’t necessarily huge in terms of cash but as multipliers of my stake, they’re up there in the hall of fame) and a lot of excitement and entertainment.

Gambling in any form is a personal decision we all make which gives us the beautiful, the good, the bad and the ugly and I feel like all of those should have a place on the forum.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

@Yidfather if you ever want to take me up on that chat, I’m sure The Bandit can supply you with my registered email address, or happy to have a back and forth through the forum. Really glad things are looking up for you a bit but in the kindest way, I don’t want you to forget the loss either! Really, if you’re ever feeling a bit low I’m here just for moral support as someone who knows to some extent what it’s like 🙂

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Before I Gamstop’d, I only ever managed one bonus on JJ when I was playing and it went for 6x. It always fascinates me how people’s luck – regularly – on the same games is totally different. Like loads of people here have done well out of Jammin Jars whereas I could never get shit on it despite hundreds of spins, but equally loads of people including Steve can’t get a bonus on Bonanza even in 1000 spins, whereas when I was playing it I was hitting multiple features every day for a few weeks and rarely saw one go for less than 50x, even getting a 1000x at one point.

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Hey @Yidfather I’ve also banned myself after a really bad pre-Xmas session, did myself in not to quite the same amount as you but bad enough that it’s caused me a lot of stress and worry. I posted about it in another thread last week. So like it’s not much consolation at this point I know, but if it helps at all, you’re not alone in doing this. I’m available as a fellow fuck-up gambler to talk if you like.

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I don’t get it, how is it free publicity? Or rather in any way good publicity? “We’re a shyster bookies who’ll try to wriggle out of paying your legitimate winning bets” doesn’t seem like message which will do them any favours.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I made my own software which allows me to enter all my gambling records (game, total number of spins at whatever stake, starting balance, end balance, number of bonuses and bonus payouts) and then works out a “best strategy” for me based on starting balance and level of risk, so it’ll often suggest I start on e.g. Book of Ra at 20p until I hit a bonus (or 100 spins without one) then depending on the result of that, it’ll calculate the next game.

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I made a thread last week about a crushing loss where my gambling went too far and I ended up yes as you put it “blowing Xmas wages can’t pay rent”, I didn’t ask anyone for anything. I’ve been posting on this forum since it opened about slots and gaming and continue to do so even though I’m not playing myself anymore for the time being.

I see and understand the posts by chancers hoping Steve will chuck them some money but it’s also very unfair and insulting to some of us who post about all our gambling experiences good and bad to suggest that we’re hoping for a handout because we’re not exclusively posting about our wins. I’ve always taken personal responsibility for my gambling, I’ve never expected anyone else to pay for it and I posted my thread because it was the first time in my life I’ve ever gone too far and tilted in a way that’s cost me more than I could afford to lose. Writing about it made me feel better, like I didn’t have to keep this dark cloud to myself. It allowed me to process and understand what I was feeling and the thought processes which gripped me and led me to make a mistake. I thought it may also help other people who are or have been in similar situations feel better too, to know they’re not alone. And finally as a warning that a really bad day can happen to any of us.

Look through my posting history – I answer questions, I express opinions, I share big wins I’ve had including several over the weeks preceding my big loss. It would frankly be fucking dishonest if I didn’t then post about the day I had last week, in the same way it would be if The Bandit never showed you any of his losing sessions. The nature of gambling is that sometimes it’s “doom and gloom”.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I’m both happy for your big win but also pleased I did GamStop because honestly the big wins I’ve been seeing today, I’d be playing with money I don’t have just out of tilt. I don’t begrudge anyone else’s luck, I’ve had my share of really big wins recently at my stakes right until the day I went overboard, but my god it’s just astonishing how hard it would be to keep a lid on it without something in place to block myself…it’s hard when you’re deep in it to not think oh I could just have a little bash on the Reel King ladder, one lucky hit could fix everything…

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Sure, head on over to superdodgyunregulatedcasinothatwontpayoutyourwinnings.com

Don’t even think about it. All UK licensed casinos will block you if you’re on Gamstop, that’s the whole point. Just signed up for a year myself after a horrible session which cost me nearly 2 grand.

If you signed up, it’s because you had a problem and you knew it. The worst thing you could possibly do at this point is try to find a way to gamble. Save that money, or spend it on something nice.

Now the frenzy is starting to fade for me, I’m getting regular cravings bit also a great sense of optimism that I can make 2019 a better year. Because you’ve gone a while and forgotten whatever pain made you block yourself in the first place, you’re allowing yourself to fall back to that mindset that a little flutter won’t hurt you. But it did once before and it will do again. You did yourself a huge favour, don’t throw it away.

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I do believe sites have some control as to wether a game pays out

Okay well they don’t but believe whatever you like and play at a different site if it makes you feel better.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

You play on the game provider’s servers, the casinos have no control over how the games perform and it makes no difference what site you play on.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I briefly played at PlayOjo some point earlier in the year and gave up because withdrawals took forever and their customer support was awful. You will get your money eventually, though.

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The Bandit wrote:

The only advice really is to not use someone elses card – it’s pretty frowned upon by most casinos, next time just get the lad who’s card it is to open an account himself and then you know there is no chance of winnings being withheld

Don’t forget many casinos have a maximum 1 account per household/IP address rule too!

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Woke up with a headache today after a night of horrible dreams mostly centered around roulette. I know the feelings I have right now will eventually calm down and the urge to gamble will fade over the coming weeks as I’m unable to play. I’m glad I registered gamstop, maybe in a month or two I’ll be fine but in a fit of disgust at myself I went straight for a year exclusion and I think it was the right thing to do.

I don’t play in bookies, I used to a few years ago but FOBTs became so bad I walked away one day and never looked back.

Funny thing is if I’d just stuck to slots I’d probably still have plenty of cash, it was roulette which did me in and a year ago, I’d never have played it. Slots online have never treated me too badly, I’d say more than half my sessions overall tended to result in a profit even if it was just a small one. One day around this time last year I’d had a long slots session and doing alright off it, decided to stick £200 on live roulette. I remember I had a bunch of numbers with bets ranging from £5 – £10 on them and a cluster around 17 – chips on it, splits all around it. It came in and that first £200 bet returned £1296. Ever since then I’d always have a bash on the roulette if my balance was running low, sometimes turning my last £50 in to £500 giving me more budget for slots. But the losses have been horrific. I once placed a bet of around £300 where I had at least something on every single number, just because I didn’t want to feel like i’d lost even if the return was lower than my bet. But somehow I missed one number – 9 red – didn’t realise until they started the spin and the ball went straight to it like a goddamn magnet.

The other day when I had my big crash, there were at least 5 consecutive spins where the ball landed literally next to a number that would have paid me big money. Desperation when chasing loss is a horrible thing. I knew I’d gone too far and I just so badly wanted to claw back a few hundred quid so I could at least not be behind with what I need to pay. I managed to convince myself that there would have to be one good spin. I’ve never properly lost control like that before and I don’t want to ever again. Whatever I’ve done with gambling, no matter how much of my “disposable” income I’ve thrown away, I’ve never left myself unable to pay my rent or bills before.

2019 needs to be a better year, I’m going to miss slotting because I really did enjoy it, even on the low stakes I mostly played at. But I feel so worried and stressed right now, right before Christmas, I don’t ever want to feel this way again.

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A lot of the earlier big wins took quite a bit in to get so although I was tidily up for a solid month, other than paying for Christmas (thank god I did all that before the big crash), it was mostly just sustaining my play at no overall loss. By Friday morning when I was paid, I was back to even money but it just didn’t occur to me I would lose so much so quickly after a solid 30 day run of pretty good luck.

Live roulette is absolute poison, far more tilting than any near miss on a slot. I got in to some kind of frenzy desperately chasing my losses, placing bigger and bigger bets convincing myself that surely one good number would land eventually and I could walk away if not even having at least clawed back enough of my losses to cover the remaining rent and whatever necessary shopping for January. It didn’t. What it did do was manage to land next door to my jackpot numbers about 5 times in a row, almost like it was deliberately mocking me.

I feel like such an ass.

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