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[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Played FOBTs in bookies for over 10 years, would never go back. They used to be okay but ever since the introduction of £20+ stakes they’ve just been a wholesale ripoff. Last time I played one I think I lost something like £600 in 20 minutes. Consider how high a stake even £2 a spin is online and how much you can win from that (upwards of £10k if you get lucky) and there’s just no comparison to the shitty reverse ATMs on the high street. Christ, I’ve won more than £500 off 40p stake online and barring an exceptionally bad, unlucky session, it would take me hours to burn through £600 even at what I regard as quite high stakes.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Can’t you just (and the other guy ) respect Just Basics opinion because many agree with him

So instead of getting wound up or trying to make him bite (by saying stuff like he’s a underage kid) just let it go.

It’s not about difference of opinion, it’s about basic civility and not throwing abuse at other posters. And my suspicion that he’s underage is not a wind-up; it’s because he writes and uses language in the manner I would expect from a teen and has repeatedly expressed a particular bugbear with the fact casinos are legally required to verify your ID and age before they pay you. Those things coupled with the fact we know he lies about his age and who he is on here are reason enough to arouse suspicion.

Why do I mention it? Because it’s relevant to the topic of thread:

The reply’s i get amaze me, they really do. I mean why are people defending the casinos? Am i out of order for thinking some of these members have secret motives? Do they work for the casinos? Can we check to see if these members are who they say they are? I mean what the actual F$%K are they doing defending them? Its just weird that they are don’t u think.

“Can we check these members are who they say they are?” – and yet the same question coming from a regulated casino is suddenly wildly unreasonable? 😀

I’ve had accounts with nearly a dozen different UK GC licensed online casinos, including all the major UK brands you’d recognise and not once have I ever had a problem with a withdrawal. Every single casino has asked me to verify my ID, address and method of deposit at some point, as they are legally required to do. It’s not a conspiracy to avoid paying out to people, it’s that the casinos can be heavily fined and lose their licence if they don’t do it. The only real reason for any player to object to going through this process is if they lied about their name, age or address when they signed up.

Of all the casinos I’ve played at not one has ever given me reason to think they’re deliberately stalling or delaying paying me my money, in god knows how many deposits and withdrawals both big and small I’ve made over the last two years.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

@Seedy and a member calling people names like cunt, rat and pussy, repeatedly – is that merely expressing an opinion in accordance with the rules?

I get that it’s either an underage kid who hates that casinos ask for ID, or a troll deliberately trying to provoke reactions….maybe I should just not feed it by reacting but it’s hard not to reply when another user makes it personal.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Note that JB is abusive towards me yet again; he’s previously called me a c**t several times too. I’ve never been abusive towards him, I’ve certainly explained to him why his bizarre beliefs about casinos and games are not grounded in reality but I’ve never lost my temper or hurled insults.

He admits to lying about himself, admits he created a separate account to back himself up pretending to be someone else and then in the next sentence says I can’t prove he has other accounts?

And yet somehow, in all of this behaviour, I’m the bad guy?

The whole thing is just utterly mad, with all his angry rants around confirming ID and withdrawals, I’m of the suspicion it’s an angsty underage teenager behind the account(s).

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Don’t forget he’s sometimes 53, with a different username and eager to agree with himself.

The user is nothing more than a troll. He’s created multiple accounts and been repeatedly abusive to other members including myself. Not my forum but if it was he’d have been banned long ago.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Yeah it’s not motorised, the flapper on the back part will normally be tight and providing much higher resistance so more force is taken out the wheel for every click.

Again I’ll point out if it was motorised and therefore controllable, the last thing Evolution would do is show you that on camera for 5 minutes.

But easy solution; anyone who’s convinced it’s rigged, don’t play it.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Okay, so why in the linked video does it lose momentum over 3 minutes? If it’s motorised, it’s rotation speed should remain constant.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Of course, it’s rigged but they decided to carry on live-streaming the proof it’s rigged to all their players instead of cutting the cameras and saying there was a technical problem, because that would make total sense.

Really, if it’s a suitably precision-engineered wheel for balance it will be able to keep spinning for a long, long time without a motor. Compare 1 minute in to the video to 4 minutes in to the video; it’s visibly started to slow down as it gradually loses momentum.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

It’s random luck of the draw. More than once I’ve had the bonus land on Bonanza on my very first spin, I’ve also given it over 500 spins without hitting one. Likewise when I have had the feature, sometimes it’s been as little as 4x, sometimes over 500x. You never know. The best thing you can do with that game or any other is decide in advance how much you want to stake on it and not go over.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I almost never take bonuses, because I regard them a monopoly-money I’ll never be able to withdraw. It’s very rare that you can actually get £4k wagering out of £100 and if you can, you’re luckier still if there’s any of it left at the end. Casumo bonuses are good for slots though; you can stake up to £5 a spin on most games with a bonus balance and they proportion it so every spin is a weighted mix of your real cash and bonus funds. This means if you win big and haven’t completed the wagering, you can still withdraw most of the win by just forfeiting the remaining bonus part.

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Hahahahahahaha. This is quality. 100% “just basics” opened a 2nd account and posted this.

Have to confess, I wondered that when I saw the post. Maybe, maybe not but they have eerily similar writing style.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

a 50 -50 gamble losing 8 out of 8 times is in no way Random

It certainly can be, but I’ll take a minute here to explain something about slots because in relation to Extra Chili you are raising an interesting point. Although I can find no definitive published information on this, my own extensive testing of Extra Chili leads me to believe the feature wheel for extra free spins is not what’s known as a true odds gamble. Which means the outcome may well be random, but not in accordance with how the gamble is visually presented to you. The 12-to-16 gamble portrays itself to the player in a manner which would reasonably lead you to believe you have a 60% chance of winning it, but from statistical analysis of my own play it is extraordinarily unlikely that these represent the real odds.

Now, in these kind of cases you certainly can argue that it’s underhanded for any game to portray or suggest odds to you which are different from the real odds; I agree with that, Extra Chili is on my personal banned list for this very reason.

BUT it doesn’t mean the game isn’t random. There are a variety of ways slots can work in this respect, but what’s important is the outcome of any spin is random. In most slot games (not necessarily all, but most), when you hit a feature or bonus, how much you’ve won is already determined at the point the scatters land, the bonus itself is just an engaging, fun way of presenting it to you. In the case of Extra Chili, the published info says your best strategy is to always gamble the feature. So it’s quite possible that when a (genuinely random) spin lands the feature, or when you buy it for 50x, the maximum number of free spins you will win from 8-24 has already been determined and the wheel is just a presentation layer. This would make sense, because in most cases it will be middle tier, so 12 or 16 spins, which has been awarded to the player as the maximum feature, hence why statistically you seem to have a much higher than 50% probability of winning the 8-12 gamble, but a much lower than 60% chance of winning the 12-16.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

So you expect….what, exactly? That you’ll be able to sign up to a casino, deposit £200 then withdraw £600 without playing any games? Like they’re giving you free money? What casino would do that? They’d be bankrupt and out of business within 5 minutes. All bonuses have wagering attached to them, everyone who plays knows this and it’s not a secret or shady practice.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

a 50 -50 gamble losing 8 out of 8 times is in no way Random

It certainly can be but I’ll take a minute here to explain something about slots because in relation to Extra Chili you are raising an interesting point. Although I can find no definitive published information on this, my own extensive testing of Extra Chili leads me to believe the feature wheel for extra free spins is not what’s known as a true odds gamble. Which means the outcome may well be random, but not in accordance with how the gamble is visually presented to you. The 12-to-16 gamble portrays itself to the player in a manner which would reasonably lead you to believe you have a 60% chance of winning it, but from statistical analysis of my own play it is extraordinarily unlikely that these represent the real odds.

Now, in these kind of cases you certainly can argue that it’s underhanded for any game to portray or suggest odds to you which are different from the real odds; I agree with that, Extra Chili is on my personal banned list for this very reason.

BUT it doesn’t mean the game isn’t random. There are a variety of ways slots can work in this respect, but what’s important is the outcome of any spin is random. In most slot games (not necessarily all, but most), when you hit a feature or bonus, how much you’ve won is already determined at the point the scatters land, the bonus itself is just an engaging, fun way of presenting it to you. In the case of Extra Chili, the published info says your best strategy is to always gamble the feature. So it’s quite possible that when a (genuinely random) spin lands the feature, or when you buy it for 50x, the maximum number of free spins you will win from 8-24 has already been determined and the wheel is just a presentation layer. This would make sense, because in most cases it will be middle tier, so 12 or 16 spins, which has been awarded to the player as the maximum feature, hence why statistically you seem to have a much higher than 50% probability of winning the 8-12 gamble, but a much lower than 60% chance of winning the 12-16.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

In relation to Pokerstars table Texas Holdem (as in I’m not talking about slots or anything else), I can’t say I’m really a poker player but I did give up playing with them after many, many occasions where I had a really good hand that mathematically had a low probability of being beaten, yet what would happen a lot is another player would bet heavily against me and it would then turn out what I liked to call “the magic river” would suddenly give them a hand which beat me. Like, they would bet heavily after four cards where they had nothing and only one specific card would save them – and somehow that was the river card. I lost count of the number of times that happened to me.

I’m not claiming they’re rigged but I do know when I was playing there, losing heavy bets which i would have won had the river card been anything different happened more frequently than I would expect – particularly as I was often up against only one or two hands at the point it was drawn. I don’t know poker well enough to say these things don’t happen a lot on a server with enough tables and hands and players but I know probability and the best case scenario is I was fiendishly unlucky, repeatedly.

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