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[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I’ve no idea what you should do if you have already showed them all this mate – how do you get them to give you the spins?

What you should do is not play at VideoSlots. There are plenty of better casinos out there. Personally Casumo is my favourite, though I’m currently on a self-imposed six month break there after some Immersive Roulette tilting went a bit too far. But I love how they do bonus money; you get to play with it immediately and proportionately to any real funds in your account and can just take a profit and forfeit the remaining bonus funds if you haven’t completed wagering. So if you have £100 real money and £50 bonus money, every spin is 2/3rds real cash, 1/3rd bonus. I find this is the best system to the advantage of the player, as you can take a big win without meeting 35x£150 wagering. Christ, loads of other casinos won’t even give you your £20 deposit match bonus until you’ve wagered £700 and how often are you gonna manage that off a £20 deposit?

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

firstly playing one line rather than ten means you have 10 times the number of spins per stake per line.  eg 10 lines at £1 x10 spins = £10, each line is 10p so if you still do 10p a line and pick one line only you have 100 spins @10p = £10. this is not a theory this is a fact.

Yes and all you’re doing in terms of odds and wins is making it like you’re playing 10 lines at 1p per line, i.e. 10p per spin. There is no advantage (or disadvantage) to you as the player staking 10p on a game such as Book of Dead at 1p per line versus staking 10p per line on 1 line only.

All you’re saying is lowering your bet makes your budget go further and give you more spins. Yes, obviously it does. What it doesn’t do is make the bonus more likely to land in any given run of e.g. 100 spins.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Jimbo is gone now too – channel still there but no videos listed.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

They are a thank you to those that support me but every single one that i have ever done, ever, has a route to enter for free.

I never saw that mentioned when you were on YouTube; if you offer a free, non-signup route of entry, you’ve never exactly publicized it. And isn’t it a mandatory legal requirement to offer a free postal entry if you run a no-skill prize draw?

I do think prize draws advertising affiliate links are a direct enticement, struggle to understand an argument that they’re not, I mean it’s literally saying “sign up through my affiliate link, make a deposit, play some games and have a chance of winning a big cash prize”.

I also think i give an incredible amount back in freebies and donations, i am unlike ANY other affiliate streamer/video creator or whatever you would like to call us in that way, no one gives as much back to the community as i do.

The defibriliator is you being charitable, the GamBan licences are you being charitable and it’s genuinely good of you to do those things. The prize draws are a separate issue though. Is the amount you’ve given away more than you’ve collected in CPA commission? Of course not, it’s how you pay for the giveaways and you make money on top. Again – this is NOT a criticism from me, it’d be utterly absurd if you were losing money from your own pocket through doing the giveaways but it remains you wouldn’t get a fraction of the affiliate revenue you do if you weren’t running the prize draws. I have no moral objection whatsoever to affiliation and the prize draws helping to fund your videos but it is a business model like any other.

Yes of course there is a percentage of gamblers watching that will be considered problem gamblers but if i wasn’t here, are you trying to say they wouldn’t be a problem gambler?

Of course they still would be and that’s one point with the pitch-forkers as you say I definitely disagree with them on. But I guess what I’m saying is when people see someone move up from 50p stakes to £4 stakes and see how big their bonuses are, how much money they’re winning, for a problem gambler it will excite the senses and the dopamine in the same way playing at those stakes would and that might make it harder for them to stick to sensible stakes when they play. Is that your problem? No. But again, it is at the very least understandable that some people already in a pretty desperate will think they can try to copy what you do, but without the wallet to back it up. All I’m saying there is what I’ve said in another thread; I think you sometimes forget where you are in relation to the average gambler and what a massive stake per spin even £2-£4 is, let alone £10 and up. You can afford to deposit £3k in one session and risk losing – and fair play to you, it’s your money and you’re entitled to do what you want with it – but you can play that kind of money and yet stand by that you’re not a rich man, despite having an income that puts you firmly in the top 1% of the population.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I can see both sides of the affiliation argument, personally. All streamers are doing it basically to crowdfund their own gambling habit, some like Dazza and Craig are just a bit more blatant and a bit less entertaining about it than others.

I don’t think casino affiliation is inherently evil, but equally I do see Steve you react very badly/defensively to people pointing out you make money off your viewers, or criticising the fact that part of your income relies on other people losing money. Now I do think a lot of the criticism leveled at streamers is simply rooted in jealousy – that those people have managed to fund their gambling in a way most of us can’t and as a result can play with much higher frequency, higher budgets, higher takes, bigger risks. Like most of us could not try and get to the top of the Reel King ladder, because by the time we hit £2k we simply couldn’t afford to risk the loss on a double or nothing. You can because you can afford to just stick another grand in if a session goes tits up. For the rest of us, once we’ve lost, we’ve lost. It’s understandable that some viewers who’ve signed up through your links and taken heavy losses because they lost self-control will at least partly blame you for it. It’s not justified to blame you for it, but on a human level it is understandable that it happens.

But equally, nothing you’re doing is wrong. No one’s forced to use your links, no one’s odds of winning are altered by whether they signed up with you or directly at the casino and you’re not required to justify yourself (and honestly, the best thing you can do when people rile you up with personal criticism is just not respond to it, don’t take the bait). You do make people aware of the dangers of gambling but I think you maybe also have to accept there is going to be an encouraging element when you make weekly videos of back-to-back bonuses sometimes at very high stakes and some people will be affected by it, will try to emulate you, plus there’s the direct enticement of the prize draws.

So yeah, bit of both, I don’t think it’s as simple as either affiliation is totally right or totally wrong, or the videos and competitions either affect everyone negatively or no one negatively. There are in-betweens.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

that guy took it personal if he didn’t get a bonus within his first 5 spins.    If he didn’t get one in the first 10 spins he would start screaming that the slots were fixed and the whole world was in league against him.   And heaven help you if he actually got the bonus and it didn’t pay 4 figures

Ahh Dazza was hilarious like that! The bit I loved best was that he would talk big as if he knew the slots like the back of his hand and could predict how they’d play, then pretty much consistently the exact opposite of whatever he thought was gonna happen would happen.

“Oh look at that bullshit, see that symbol there, that means it’s paying nothing. Guaranteed, this another wank 10x bonus, absolutely guaranteed….yeah there we go, no win again, what a surprise, you can tell…you can just already tell from these spins it’s not paying anything. Oh come on! No no no no no no, what did I say? Absolutely guaranteed 100% to pay nothing every time….booooooooooooolshit, booooooooooolshit…..oh there we go, another wild not connecting to anything, it’s bonus guarantee all the way…..no no no no no no YES YES YES YES YES! FUCK ME, IT’S ACTUALLY PAID OUT!”

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Well that explains your problems. You don’t use someone else’s debit card to make a deposit, doesn’t matter if you’re married to them or they’ve given you permission. This is almost universally a breach of casino terms, no ifs no buts. Rookie mistake I’m afraid, and one that could cost you your winnings.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Exactly; many of us know from personal experience it only takes hitting a 1000x bonus on £1 stake once for staking 10p to no longer seem attractive. I actually envy the players who can win £100 off 10p stake, be chuffed with it, withdraw and not feel tempted to risk the money on a higher stake. I can’t do that. As soon as you start playing higher stakes and strike a decent hit, it becomes monumentally harder to ever level down again, because next time you hit 1000x on 10p you’ll always be thinking “why didn’t I just spin at the higher stake, it would have been a grand?”

It’s one of the ways slots can be really dangerous.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Ah so you do agree that some slots have greater potential than others.

Depends entirely what you mean by “potential” – different slots have different RTPs and different modes of play, i.e. odds and frequency of significant wins and bonus features. If that’s what you mean, then sure, it’s no controversy to point out the variance/risk differs between games. Indeed knowing your games well is the closest thing you can have to a strategy when slotting.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

AFAIK the UK licensing rules require free play to use the same RNG and same odds as real play.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

They all come from a small number of the same slots time and time again. and that’s the ones that I play.

That’s nothing to do with what I was saying though. It’s no secret that some slots are better than others, but any given slot has the same potential on all stake levels. You hit a full screen of explorers in Book of Ra, that’s 5000 x your stake returned, whether you’re playing 10p or £20.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

Yeah you got a decent bonus while you weren’t watching – this type/style of game does not bring in more than one full line of anything at a time in the base so I’d say definitely a bonus hit.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

it does show you the potential of each slot he plays

The “potential” is entirely relative to your stake. 1000x on 50p or £50 is still 1000x. Nothing about what any game can pay as a multiplier of your stake is affected by how much you’re staking. You say no one would watch the videos, but when the channel first launched, Steve was playing at 50p-£1 stakes, it’s how the channel built up.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

GA had a very weird, almost cult-like feel to it I found. There may be good intentions there but for me, the way it seemed in practice is like all these miserable people want you to still be a hopeless gambling addict – just one who doesn’t gamble. I can’t imagine anything more shit than keeping yourself addicted to gambling, telling yourself repeatedly that you’re hopelessly addicted and don’t have the power to break free of it, while not even getting the small pleasure of actually doing it. It’d be like being hooked on cigarettes that had all the tar and formaldehyde but no nicotine.

If you don’t want to be an addict anymore, you need to retrain how your brain thinks, not constantly pine for something you know you don’t even want and wouldn’t take if it was offered to you. When I quit smoking, I didn’t do it by thinking “oh god I really want a cigarette but I’ll try and make it through the next 5 minutes and the next 5 and the next, in pain and wishing I could be smoking” – instead every time that little itch for a smoke triggered in my brain, I’d think “oh no wait, it’s okay, I don’t do that anymore” and I’d feel better immediately. I realised exactly where I’d been going wrong before was that I was trying to tell myself I was missing something when the truth was I wouldn’t have taken a cigarette off someone when they’d offered it to me because I didn’t want to do it any more.

[ar argyl53 WANTED $419 Outlaw]

I am not rich, i don’t own my own house, i have a Ford Mondeo, i’ve said it before i am just a normal bloke but people take exception to that sometimes when watching how i play, i have always been a gambler all my life and these videos and sessions are usually my chill out time away from all the figures and calculations and pressure that a trading atmosphere creates. I do not spend my money on literally anything else, i’m not a branded clothes kind of bloke, i don’t smoke, i don’t wear a watch, i’m not a jewelry guy so i choose to spend my money on slots.

You are rich, though. Anyone who can afford to stake and risk losing upwards of £6-10k a month on slots (or any form of gambling) and still pay their rent and bills is rich by definition. You may not be rich in terms of having tens of thousands in disposable income sitting in a bank account at any one time, but your monthly income puts you well in the top 1% of earners. I imagine the only reason you don’t own a house is because you have neither the personal inclination to save the money to buy outright (which just on your self-published gambling record, you could have achieved in the last couple of years if you’d saved all that money instead), nor the ability to get a mortgage because of all the gambling transactions on your bank statement, regardless of the high income.

Now this is not a criticism – obviously what you do with your income is your business alone and if you want to use your disposable income to play slots because you find it an enjoyable way to unwind, far be it from me to have a go. I’m not going to get in to the whole “affiliation, good or bad?” thing as I feel that discussion’s been done several times already on your channel. But to throw my two cents in, I do think your level of income causes you to sometimes lose sight of where you are in relation to the average player and subscriber to your content. Most of us gambling are doing the odd couple of hundred quid max at maybe 50p stakes. Many of your viewers are making deposits of less than £50 and staking 10-25p range. You regularly lose more in one video than many of us can budget for slots in a whole year. The mean annual net income in the UK is about £26k, or a little over £2k a month before any rent/mortgage/bills and living costs.

Personally, I also think you show several classic signs of addiction to slots; even in this video it’s evident where you re-load twice, get lucky, say you’re going to walk away with the £1500 profit and then go straight back to staking it. That your very profitable success in other areas of the gambling market grant you the luxury to afford to be an addict doesn’t mean you’re not one. Gambling more than you can afford to lose is one of the most obvious signs of addiction but it’s not a requisite criterion.

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