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As a flipside, twice in the last 3 days on Videoslots, I’ve had the bonus on Bonanza land on the very first spin. First time it was pretty shit, the second was about 350x.
Yeah this is the thing; I’m a developer and while I don’t work in the gambling industry, I do know people who do and so I know a bit more about how online slots work than the average punter and I know that in some games, the bonus element itself is definitely random and the outcome not pre-determined at the point of landing it. But I don’t know which games. I try to get an idea as mentioned by inspecting the traffic to see which games send the win data in the initiating spin but you can’t always tell for every title.
On the flip-side though, the data from Secret of the Stones received by the game client may only be for presentation purposes when revealing the “what you could have picked” stones….after all, what happens if you pick one stone, then reload the game part-way through the game round before making a second pick? I haven’t tried it, but if someone gives it a go and when the game re-loads the partial round, selects a different stone, you would expect it to come up with the same pick as I think GC rules are such that the entire outcome of the game including bonus should already be determined and logged at that point. Like, if you abort a game part-way through, it has to be the same game when you go back in.
That’s what I was saying though; when I used Fiddler to inspect Secret of the Stones, it appears to not be pre-determined…it actually maps the picks to randomly numbered positions when you land the scatters.
1I think my personal best is around 1280x on Capitain Venture (£1 stake), but I’ve had dozens of wins in the 500-1000x range, including a 750x explorer line on Book of Ra 6, several 500-800x Book of Ra deluxe bonuses, 750x on Lucky Lady Charm and Dolphin’s Pearl Deluxe, 500x on Reel King, a few 500-600x Bonanza hits…the list goes on. It’s not nearly as uncommon to hit that kind of range as people think. Still waiting for the mega jackpot hit though, like your 5000x or above.
To answer this as thoroughly as possible; as one person has already said, in many cases the spin which lands a bonus is random (as are all separate game spins) but what the bonus pays is determined at the point of that initial spin, therefore the feature element/free spins are just a presentation layer. However in other games, the actual bonus spins are also random but counted as part of the same game as the triggering spin. It’s very difficult in practice to tell with any reliability which games are which, however I believe most Novomatic game free spin bonuses are random and in respect of NetEnt’s Secret of the Stones, I can tell you from inspecting traffic between the client and server that it appears to maybe not be pre-determined (contrary to my expectations) insofar as it actually maps the feature picks (Wild Reel 2, +4 spins etc.) to positions on the board (though the numbering of the positions changes at random each time you land the scatters, meaning you cannot inspect traffic to cheat the game and know which stones to click on). But yeah from what I can tell on that particular game, it really does jumble up all the possible feature picks in random places and you get whatever you happen to click on. Certainly the base scatter land does not send any traffic to your device containing your total win for the bonus and the structure of the data makes it look like it’s not pre-determined, though it could still be that it is pre-determined on the server side.
21“Never leave a hot slot” is a mantra for many gamblers and I suspect most of us will give a slot some number of spins after a feature in the hope of a double-drop. And it does occasionally happen; Captain Venture is one of my favourite games and once I hit three back-to-back bonuses on three consecutive spins. I’ve also had it drop in the bonus on the very first spin more than once, but of course it can also go hundreds of spins without paying it.
But here’s the big point; if there’s one thing we gamblers love to do during play, it’s see patterns in what are actually entirely random results. The spins on any slot are separate games with separate random results and while games are set up with different frequencies and average pays of features, if you get 3 bonuses in the space 20 spins, that is entirely coincidental good fortune, it is emphatically not because the slot is “hot”, “in a good mood” or whatever attributes we gamblers ascribe to it.
Book of Dead can sometimes go over 500 spins without bonusing, sometimes you’ll hit in the first 10. But what happens is when you see a bonus drop, then another one 20 spins later and then say a month later, a similar thing occurs again, you remember that and you don’t remember all the times you got one bonus and then it didn’t bring it again for another 150 spins. So you start to think you’re seeing a pattern in how it plays. It’s just confirmation bias.
The bet level and coin value can be used together to set your stake to the exact amount you want. Contrary to some gambler myths, they do not have any other effect on the game.
It can happen on games where the bonus element is actually random after being triggered. Captain Venture is an example of this; when you hit the bonus, although all your wins technically count as occurring within the same game/spin, it still contacts the server on the provider’s end for each free spin of the bonus for a random result, just as it does for each new base game spin. The difference is in the bonus, it gives you an enhanced reel set, more likely to bring in wins and scatters. But I’ve actually had a bonus on Venture which gave me 10 spins, no retriggers and literally didn’t pay anything except the initial trigger, which I think is 2x.
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