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PsychicSnail wrote:

@awesomex Ok, that’s circumstantial, not irrefutable evidence. It falls far short of the proof you were talking about.

Nevertheless, let’s look at that. First off, Roshtein loses far more often that he cashes out. I have no figures, but just from my viewing I would say over the past couple of months he is probably breaking even. The DoA win was non bonus money btw.

Following one of his latest cashouts, the N1 casino raised his wager requirements from 30 to 35x. It seems they did the math and wanted to tilt the odds back in their favour. I wonder why they would do this if it was casino money.

So unless you can counter this, I would appreciate the proof you were talking about. Proof that “Roshtein has been proven to be fake on so many occasions, yet nobody seems to remember it”.

The proof is right in front of you: A casino is not a charity for affiliates.

Yeah, I heard he spent about 80,000 euro before he won about 80,000 euro on a wildline on DoA2. Do you have any idea how much money his community would have to spend to cover 80,000 euro in a week or so? Do you honestly think his followers spend around 1 million euros per week playing online casinos? 5000 people spending 1 million total, where all 5000 loses, MIGHT make him 80,000 euro. And then you gotta take into account that every single person in his stream, all 5000, gotta be able to play for 800-1000 euros a month! Do you not see how fucking impossible this sounds? Can you afford to spend 1000 euros a month, every month, on gambling? Cus most of the viewers are regular people. Average, regular people. And probably viewbots, but anyway.. Many who watch him are probably unemployed dreamers too, who definitely can’t afford to do this.
The average salary in Europe is about 1900 euros a month. If all his viewers made the average salary, which on average they statistically and logically will do, that means they spend half their monthly income on gambling at casinos nobody else plays at.

It’s so blatantly obvious he’s fake man.

If he was real he would be playing at LeoVegas, Betsson, Casumo, Rizk, Videoslots and the rest of the casinos everyone else plays at.

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PsychicSnail wrote:

awesomex wrote:

Do I buy into the way he behaves? Sure. He’s providing entertainment and at least partly acts that way to entertain the viewers. He puts on a very slick performance and that’s why he has a massive viewing audience. Always on camera for the big wins? Not true. I’ve seen him hit big wins when he’s afk on autospin. The fact that he isn’t like any other streamer is the thing that makes him popular.

For someone with an IQ of 180, I’m amazed that your opinions are so subjective. It’s not a trait usually found amongst those in the gifted category.

Yeah, if you believe his bad acting shows he’s real, you’re buying into the act. Roshtein has been proven to be fake on so many occasions, yet nobody seems to remember it.

Like someone mentioned earlier – Anyone can learn to scream for big wins, it’s how they react when they lose tons that’s impossible to fake. When you lose your bankroll on a tilt day, or you made a good profit and the bug was still there and you ended up ripping, or you chased your losses and felt like shit after. so much so that if you were a streamer you wouldn’t even bother saying “see you next time”, you’d just turn your shit off and try to go to sleep or some shit. You don’t feel like talking to anyone and you just feel like a complete mess. Cus many of us have been there at some point.

Let’s look at it from another point of view – Roshtein has supposedly made 15k deposits a day chasing the DoA2 win, which means he risked more than the average annual salary on Malta each day.

Here’s a task for you: Go to Roshtein’s twitch channel right now, then his youtube channel – Look at the amount of viewers he’s got, then look at how slow the chat is moving. 5000 viewers on twitch – 1 new chat line every 2-3 seconds. Youtube: 1100 viewers – 1 chat line per 20 seconds. Then you go to someone else who’s got that many viewers and check how fast the chat moves for them. Smells like viewbotting to me

IQ of 180. I’ve shit better!

Stop twisting my words and show me this proof please. If he has been proved to be a fake on so many occasions then please show me one single instance. Just a one undeniable piece of evidence that he is fake. Not slow chat, gut feelings, intuition, bad acting, or appeals to the supernatural. I have an open mind and can easily be convinced with evidence.

He plays at 50 euro stakes with bonus money active, his screen says 2k deposit and 8k bonus with 270k wagering, while playing for N1 casino, a casino that’s barely got customers.

Now, the casino needs to make up for this through his links for this to be worth it for them (if the money was real). So if 500 people, which is about 10% of his viewers right now, on average play for 50 euro each on that very casino today, that’s 25k. So say 10% of those end up winning, 90% end up losing. The winnings will be subtracted from the total. Now, there’s also then the risk of Roshtein who plays 50 euro stakes all day long hits a 1000x win, or several 200-500x wins, and gets his balance to 50-100k. Wich I’m sure you’ve seen him do. Now, how the hell is that math gonna add up? He will need all his 5000 viewers to play for 20 euro each every single day to make up for the potential risk here.

Also, let’s compare it with what happened to casinodaddy and Betsson. Casinodaddy won and cashed out 30,000 euros in one day. They were then refused affiliation bonuses after that, cus they were up on the casino. That’s 30,000 on the absolute biggest casino site out there. When Betsson can’t afford to give them a bonus cus of the risk of them cashing out 30k or something like that again, how the fuck is N1 casino who nobody’s even heard about gonna be able to sustain Roshtein cashing out 80k and shit and still getting bonuses the very next day?

It’s simple logics.

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Gecksy wrote:

In Chips video he mentions affiliation and uses the example “£20k per month”

Are streamers really getting anywhere near that sort of money via affiliation because that’s huge !

 

Have a look at this: https://www.allabolag.se/5590783352/joelsson-media-group-ab

Joelsson Media Group AB is CasinoDaddy’s affiliate company. In 2018 they had a turnover of 46 million SEK ~ 3.8 million GBP. All from streaming.

This shows how much money is involved.

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Fucks sake Haz, fix your quote lol.

But yeah, I agree. But he wants to attract customers so he spins at 50 euro non stop to get people’s attention. It’s so blatantly obvious it’s fake.

 

 

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Gecksy wrote:

In Chips video he mentions affiliation and uses the example “£20k per month”

Are streamers really getting anywhere near that sort of money via affiliation because that’s huge !

 

Well, when I had a deal with Casumo, I got 30% of what every player who registered through me lost. I never actually used it, but..
This is of course after the casino’s expenses are covered. Let’s say it’s as low as 10% after all that just for the math;
Say I have 50 people who lose an average of 100 quid each per month. That’s 500 quid for me. Now imagine you’ve got thousands of people where many of them register to play through all your affiliate links at like 5 casinos. Say there are 2000 people using your links, and 500 of them use links for all your sites. You now have 4000 signups at 5 casinos. Say 20% of the ones who signed up through your shit are regulars who play for 300 each per month. If they all lose that, you now have 800 people who lost 300 each, totalling 240,000. If you’re left with 10%, you’re doing pretty damn good.

Of course the deals vary from casino to casino and streamer to streamer, but yeah, you can make what others make in a year every month.

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Do I buy into the way he behaves? Sure. He’s providing entertainment and at least partly acts that way to entertain the viewers. He puts on a very slick performance and that’s why he has a massive viewing audience. Always on camera for the big wins? Not true. I’ve seen him hit big wins when he’s afk on autospin. The fact that he isn’t like any other streamer is the thing that makes him popular.

For someone with an IQ of 180, I’m amazed that your opinions are so subjective. It’s not a trait usually found amongst those in the gifted category.

Yeah, if you believe his bad acting shows he’s real, you’re buying into the act. Roshtein has been proven to be fake on so many occasions, yet nobody seems to remember it.

Like someone mentioned earlier – Anyone can learn to scream for big wins, it’s how they react when they lose tons that’s impossible to fake. When you lose your bankroll on a tilt day, or you made a good profit and the bug was still there and you ended up ripping, or you chased your losses and felt like shit after. so much so that if you were a streamer you wouldn’t even bother saying “see you next time”, you’d just turn your shit off and try to go to sleep or some shit. You don’t feel like talking to anyone and you just feel like a complete mess. Cus many of us have been there at some point.

Let’s look at it from another point of view – Roshtein has supposedly made 15k deposits a day chasing the DoA2 win, which means he risked more than the average annual salary on Malta each day.

Here’s a task for you: Go to Roshtein’s twitch channel right now, then his youtube channel – Look at the amount of viewers he’s got, then look at how slow the chat is moving. 5000 viewers on twitch – 1 new chat line every 2-3 seconds. Youtube: 1100 viewers – 1 chat line per 20 seconds. Then you go to someone else who’s got that many viewers and check how fast the chat moves for them. Smells like viewbotting to me

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benq99 wrote:

Xbobmad wrote:

same here all ways starts with GOL  an i have played that game a lot

Yeah. Dazza excuses himself with having played some 20p stakes or some shit to get the balance to an even 200, but he seems to do this in every single video, so who the fuck deposits 201.60 or some stupid shit like that? And even if you did, it would be hard to have an even 200 balance after 20p stakes, as you likely get some 2p and 6p wins and shit, which you cant remove on bonanza without closing the game and playing another game, which would put start screen back with GOL and 34300 megaways.
I call fake for Dazza too.

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It comes down to the fact that the real streamers who play with real money will ultimately get the same punishment as the fake money streamers once Twitch and YouTube’s banhammers hit – The casino streamers will all be gone at that point, cus there’s no way for YouTube to moderate and control it. It’s gonna be deemed harmful content and shut down eventually, and that’s mainly due to fake streamers being allowed to continue misrepresenting and running scams, which Twitch and YouTube will do whatever it takes to not be affiliated with.

So I understand the real streamers’ frustrations – They’re at risk of losing their livelihood.

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PsychicSnail wrote:

argyl53 wrote:

Posting casino screenshots of deposits or withdrawals doesn’t prove shit unless it’s a major reputable casino such as Casumo which we can be sure isn’t giving certain affiliates dummy accounts the casino itself is funding. You show me withdrawals on Casumo, I’ll accept you’re genuine, but some no-name dodgy casino outside UKGC regulation? No. Doesn’t convince me it’s not fake.

On the other hand, I don’t think it’s actually on streamers to prove to any viewer’s satisfaction that they’re genuine, rather it is on us as viewers and players to decode who we trust, just like it is when we sign up with a casino, and to not watch the streamers we don’t trust. I don’t trust Roshstein or the casinos he promotes, simple as that. You can learn to act and fake the excitement of big wins, but faking the crushing disappointment of a big loss is much harder.

I agree with all of this, apart from I don’t share your distrust of Roshtein. I would urge you to take a look at that DoA win and study his reactions. If he can fake that he’s in the wrong job.

Really, you buy the over the top screaming from Roshtein..? Have you noticed how Roshtein never leaves the camera view? He’s always in view of the camera on his big wins. He doesn’t step aside and take a deep breath like every single other streamer seems to do. He is fully aware of where the camera is pointing, and he never leaves it’s view.
He’s an actor fit for your local soap, that’s about it.

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slottinggooner wrote:

The real can of worms though is Roshtein, he still has to prove he is legit. I don’t even follow aussie streamers.

Roshtein can’t prove it. He’s the fakest streamer of them all. It amazes me that he’s got such a big audience.

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Seedy wrote:

awesomex wrote:

Seedy wrote:

awesomex wrote:

Seedy wrote:

ACKO11118 wrote:

Seedy wrote:

Eightblack wrote:

ACKO11118 wrote:

Just Basics wrote:

And I hope Rolla tells him to get fucked.

Just provide everyone with proof.

Don’t cloud shit. Keep it simple.

If he’s truly legit and he’s got irrefutable proof.

Fkin prove it. Just like everyone here says to me

Just a quick one….

 

what you you going to say when rolla comes back out with a video saying he’s genuine? Doubt you’ll be spamming forums with apology’s.

 

or will you just call out rolla for being a snake too??

 

SHEEP

I’ve seen JB apologise in the past for getting shit wrong, so your salty post is nothing more than speculation.

 

Don’t be a dick

Agreed and so far nothing has changed since rolla made the vid as nothing proving he ain’t fake has been shown in his whole recording.

So like eightblack said dont be a dick please.

So I’m a dick until Davo is proven not guilty

what a community!

No mate calling people sheep is why you got called that it’s nothing to do with the guy proving his innocence. People are not sheep because they dont agree with you.

Pretty obvious you’re a wabbit @Seedy

I’m hoping that’s a good thing pahahaha

Depends if you’re in the wilderness surrounded by wolves and foxes I suppose

Hmm tough choice but i think I would rather be a free rabbit rather than a caged on lol I take my chances against the foxes and wolves ???

I couldn’t agree more. I support your decision to be free!

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Seedy wrote:

awesomex wrote:

Seedy wrote:

ACKO11118 wrote:

Seedy wrote:

Eightblack wrote:

ACKO11118 wrote:

Just Basics wrote:

And I hope Rolla tells him to get fucked.

Just provide everyone with proof.

Don’t cloud shit. Keep it simple.

If he’s truly legit and he’s got irrefutable proof.

Fkin prove it. Just like everyone here says to me

Just a quick one….

 

what you you going to say when rolla comes back out with a video saying he’s genuine? Doubt you’ll be spamming forums with apology’s.

 

or will you just call out rolla for being a snake too??

 

SHEEP

I’ve seen JB apologise in the past for getting shit wrong, so your salty post is nothing more than speculation.

 

Don’t be a dick

Agreed and so far nothing has changed since rolla made the vid as nothing proving he ain’t fake has been shown in his whole recording.

So like eightblack said dont be a dick please.

So I’m a dick until Davo is proven not guilty

what a community!

No mate calling people sheep is why you got called that it’s nothing to do with the guy proving his innocence. People are not sheep because they dont agree with you.

Pretty obvious you’re a wabbit @Seedy

????? I’m hoping that’s a good thing pahahaha

Depends if you’re in the wilderness surrounded by wolves and foxes I suppose

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Seedy wrote:

ACKO11118 wrote:

Seedy wrote:

Eightblack wrote:

ACKO11118 wrote:

Just Basics wrote:

And I hope Rolla tells him to get fucked.

Just provide everyone with proof.

Don’t cloud shit. Keep it simple.

If he’s truly legit and he’s got irrefutable proof.

Fkin prove it. Just like everyone here says to me

Just a quick one….

 

what you you going to say when rolla comes back out with a video saying he’s genuine? Doubt you’ll be spamming forums with apology’s.

 

or will you just call out rolla for being a snake too??

 

SHEEP

I’ve seen JB apologise in the past for getting shit wrong, so your salty post is nothing more than speculation.

 

Don’t be a dick

Agreed and so far nothing has changed since rolla made the vid as nothing proving he ain’t fake has been shown in his whole recording.

So like eightblack said dont be a dick please.

So I’m a dick until Davo is proven not guilty

what a community!

No mate calling people sheep is why you got called that it’s nothing to do with the guy proving his innocence. People are not sheep because they dont agree with you.

Pretty obvious you’re a wabbit @Seedy

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