Profile : awesomex

thatfamousjimmy wrote:

awesomex wrote:

My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption

About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.

As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.

Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.

The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.

Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.

Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level: -Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea)
-PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through)
-Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
-2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
-Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
-Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.

Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.

How the hell is the PSG vs Barca obvious corruption?? Are we really meant to believe that the whole team, squad, managers, background staff of both teams contrived to make the score 4-0 then 6-1??? And for them all to agree to it and not say anything?? Wtf!! I’ve agreed with some of the stuff you’ve said but some of your 100% obvious stuff really isn’t at all!

Nobody loses a 4-0 lead in the champions league. It just doesn’t happen. If you actually believe that a team can dominate and win 4-0, and then lose 6-1 3 weeks after, you should think about this again.
Have you seen the football leaks documents btw? You should have a look when you have time.

Haz40 wrote:

awesomex wrote:

My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption

About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.

As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.

Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.

The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.

Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.

Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level: -Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea)
-PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through)
-Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
-2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
-Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
-Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.

Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.

What about the snooker. Stephen lee Quinton hann and of course the john Higgins fiasco to name a few. These things happens everyday and more so when the prize money is less than the amount available to win by match fixing.

I don’t know anything about snooker, other than it being a snobby pool game, so I’ll take your word for it.

My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption

About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.

As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another;
Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.

Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.

The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.

Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.

Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level:
-Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea)
-PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through)
-Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
-2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
-Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
-Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.

Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.

Rbreen91 wrote:

Just look at it from this point of view: Why are they all based in Malta?

 

Tax reasons. Obviously.

That should be your first clue that they’re willing to do anything to make money, shouldn’t it?

Biohazard wrote:

awesomex wrote:

Again, someone who defends the casinos. Amazing.

Banter.

Mr B wrote:

You say obviously corruption exists. But you don’t say in the gambling world, just generally.

Biohazard wrote:

Can corruption in this industry happen? Absolutely.

On this very page.

Mr B wrote:

And just because “rigged” isn’t the only option, doesn’t mean it isn’t.

I agree with you.

Mr B wrote:

The black jack dealer was (someone said here I think) sacked.

It was me that said that. I read a whole case about it a while back. They interviewed him and tried to investigate why he did what he did (apparently) and refused to answer any questions. I agree this is a dodgy af one.

Mr B wrote:

Casinomeister lists a whole host of rogue casinos and while I am not saying every casino is playing beyond the house edge, and without evidence to prove there is, or isn’t, it is equally wrong to say (from nowhere) that casino is corrupt or indeed that casino isn’t corrupt.

Although, again, I actually agree with you, surely ‘innocent until proven guilty’ should play a factor here? If we don’t apply it, then where do we draw the line? Sometimes in life we have to be more trusting, it’s no wonder anxiety is such a prolific issue in this day and age.

Mr B wrote:

I’m certainly not buying this bullshit excuse (was it argyl who said it?) that because a casino is bigger, it is somehow less likely to be corrupt.

I said it. Risk and reward!

Mr B wrote:

And could the gov.commission be turning a blind eye in some way shape or form  as someone has said already ? I would suffer no form of shock if it was.

So what’s the advantage to them doing this? They could incur absolutely huge financial and operational penalties on the casino at fault (as they have done, particularly in the last couple of years). Even if the casino was to bribe them, this would never amount to even close to the penalties they could inflict.

Not to mention the scale of this corruption would be absolutely unprecedented if what people are saying in this thread was true.

The advantage to them doing this is simple – Like another guy said here earlier: The regulators/inspectors send them an email, saying when they’ll come and to pick them up at the airport. I have no doubt this is how they do it. This means they can get away with it until the next control, 2 years later. If they rig stuff to make them 50k a day, that’s £18 million in 2 years. If they then forget to get rid of the evidence by the time the inspectors come, they get slapped with a 100k fine or something stupid like that, which they gladly pay, and keep doing this.

There are so many workarounds in the casino industry it’s insane. Just think about it – Why do you think each license holder has tons of casinos operating under the same license? They’re prepared to shut down a site and move the customers over to the other if shit hits the fan.

Here’s an example:
Day 1: I spoke to Simon, a support rep at VoodooDreams.
Day 2: I spoke to Simon, a support rep at NYSpins.
Turns out NYSPins and VoodooDreams are the same, with the same games, same license, but with different names, and their support staff works at both. Every single casino does it this way.
Don’t believe me? Go register to all the 20-odd aspire license casinos, and contact their customer service. You’ll see you’re likely talking to the same person on all 20 sites.

Not to mention the fact that they gladly take your money immediately upon registering, and let you play for as long as you want without verification, but when you’ve spent 10k and you suddenly win £1000 one day and try to cash out, you have to go through a verification process, which takes days. Meanwhile they will cancel your withdrawal a few times, and send you tons of email offers, trying to get you to login again.
Any idea how much they make/save off of cancelled withdrawals per year? Bet we’re talking about hundreds of millions.

Just look at it from this point of view: Why are they all based in Malta? This question alone should be enough to make people realize they’re not honest and responsible.
The simple answer is: Cus they’re left alone to do what they want, and it’s too expensive for people to sue them if something happens. Also, they don’t have to obey YOUR laws, only the maltese laws. Which none of the lawyers in your country knows anything about. Nor does any of us have the resources to follow up a case with these fuckers.

argyl53 wrote:

Oh lordy. Dead or Alive 2: it’s just come out, it’s getting millions of spins as thousands of players hit it each day, it’s not surprising that you’re seeing some monstrous wins after a highly anticipated new game release. These will continue for probably a couple of months as the game gets that many more frequent spins than other titles, then settle down and drop off as people start to lose interest and move on to the next new release.

Spin a win: don’t know what that is, not a game I’ve ever seen in the UK. Doesn’t looked rigged to me in the video but I’m not going to comment on something I don’t know more about.

Rocknrolla roulette: mmm, was it rigged all those times he hit jackpot numbers for 10, 20, 30k or more at a time too? I’ve seen that guy start with £40 and get it up to 3 grand in a matter of minutes from a sequence of lucky live roulette hits. He bets big, he wins big, he loses big, that’s both his thing and the nature of roulette.

Jammin’ jars: this has already been explained. The game is random in compliance with regulation, but its implementation is unusual for a slot in that each spin is more like a virtual scratchcard and not independent reel sets, hence you can get two identical wins which play out exactly the same way in the presentation to the player. Irregular for a slot to work that way, but understandable given how the slot was designed and not in any way less fair or less random than any other game, just works differently.

Blackjack: no particular comment on the video, I never played blackjack but honestly if a casino is going to cheat you at live blackjack, they’re not going to do it in such an obvious, ham-fisted way as the dealer skipping a card right in front of you on camera. Perhaps someone else can speculate on what might’ve happened with that one, I don’t know the game well enough to say but I certainly wouldn’t take one dealer’s hand slipping on one round on one casino as proof that it’s deliberately rigged. Again I’ve seen Rocknrolla win loads of high stake consecutive blackjack hands.

This very site gets dozens of submissions every week of ordinary, non-affiliated players on slots hitting wins up to hundreds and even thousands of times their stake. If casinos and providers between them are in a conspiracy to rig games and cheat players out of money, the Big Wins page is solid evidence they’re not very good at it.

Again, someone who defends the casinos. Amazing.
For every submission on this page, I’m willing to bet everything I own that every single one of them have invested more than they posted in the big wins.

You’re really being way too uncritical of the guys in this business. I’m not saying Paul, Steve and the rest of the streamers can’t be trusted. What I’m saying is that there are always things behind the scenes that you and I don’t know about.

Do you really think casinos are willing to risk players like Rocknrolla and Bandit knocking them for 100k each every day? No. They’re not gonna leave it to chance. Initially the games are likely as described, but if someone is rolling huge, the casinos will have safeguards that come out of the closet to stop people from winning too much. Safeguards which regulators either don’t see, or are paid to not see.

It’s actually incredible to me how people can blindly trust and all out defend someone who’s set up shop in Malta to avoid local/national regulations everywhere else.

Dune2000 wrote:

awesomex wrote:

Spin a win/Dreamcatcher Again with this one, I can see how this looks dodgy, but I think @Seedy has explained this one nicely. The same thing has happened on Dreamcatcher before. This is a giant wheel that spins on an axis of some sort, it’s mechanical, at times things are going to go wrong, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that there are controllable brakes that allow the casino to control the outcome how they please. Wheels like these are checked and verified all the time. It’d be so easy for them to be found out as ‘rigged’ by an independent commission if they were.

 

How much notice do the independent commission give that they are coming out to make a “surprise visit” ?

Reminds me of Rogue Trader where the independent audit team email to say they will be arriving in a week and can they be picked up at the airport.

 

Exactly!
Then, after they get picked up at the airport, they’re ready booked in to a 5 star hotel, all inclusive, paid by the casinos 😉