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I agree with you on a hell of a lot on this thread but you asked a question so here’s the answer. Deportivo v a c milan. If i remember correctly a c thought they’d won the tie after an hour and practically played the last half hour as if it were a practice session. They went back to deportivo and lost 4 0. They could and should of won the first leg 5 or 6 nil. First leg was 3 0 maybe not 4 but they were completely in control in the tie.
It was 4-1 to 4-0. Keep in mind, I’m not saying this match wasn’t also fixed. Wherever there’s a huge amount of money in sports, people will always try to rig it. It’s just so weird to me how people can believe that there’s no corruption.
My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption
About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.
As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.
Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.
The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.
Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.
Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level: -Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea)
-PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through)
-Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
-2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
-Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
-Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.
How the hell is the PSG vs Barca obvious corruption?? Are we really meant to believe that the whole team, squad, managers, background staff of both teams contrived to make the score 4-0 then 6-1??? And for them all to agree to it and not say anything?? Wtf!! I’ve agreed with some of the stuff you’ve said but some of your 100% obvious stuff really isn’t at all!
Nobody loses a 4-0 lead in the champions league. It just doesn’t happen. If you actually believe that a team can dominate and win 4-0, and then lose 6-1 3 weeks after, you should think about this again.
Have you seen the football leaks documents btw? You should have a look when you have time.See i have this problem everyday with the general public. My competitors are the supermarkets and just because they are famous people have false trust in them. People automatically think ooh I’ve seen them on t v they must be trustworthy. The general public are so naive and if they even knew the half of what they do people would think twice about using them.
The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you’ve got them. Because they’ll laugh in your face of an explanation which portrays the big picture of what’s happening… and they have….
1My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption
About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.
As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another; Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.
Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.
The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.
Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.
Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level: -Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea)
-PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through)
-Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
-2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
-Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
-Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.
What about the snooker. Stephen lee Quinton hann and of course the john Higgins fiasco to name a few. These things happens everyday and more so when the prize money is less than the amount available to win by match fixing.
I don’t know anything about snooker, other than it being a snobby pool game, so I’ll take your word for it.
1On another note, this thread got a lot of attention. It’s pretty obvious that the biggest issue in online gaming is the trust between casino and player. Which leads me to think that any casino that can prove beyond all doubt that they can always be trusted would be able to bring in a lot of customers, as people are still playing on shit, dodgy casinos.
I also wanna thank everyone for their feedback here. It’s nice to see both sides of the argument.
My point is that if you add this all up it’s incredibly naive to say there’s no corruption
About the slots, I’m not saying there’s 100% proof the streamers have rigged versions of the slots, I’m saying there’s a possibility some of them do. Nobody can disprove this. However, I believe at least some of them are legit and play the same way you and I do.
As for live games, they’re always rigged in one way or another;
Monopoly wheel: You land 2 rolls, tons of buildings on the last street. 4 rolls, not that many buildings. Also, the fact the “flapper” is able to make you bounce back to the previous spot, acting like a trampoline.. I don’t see how that little rubber thing can generate enough force on a wheel that heavy to actually do that. Suppose it could be possible. But the other video shows the other wheel game having a malfunction that breaks the spin, so I wouldn’t rule out that there’s something dodgy there.Eejit said evolution operate on a % value of the win/loss difference or whatever. This gives them incentive to cheat if they can get away with it.
The problem for an online casino with live games is that live games like blackjack can be beat by the player, unless the company rigs the game. Which evolution gaming actually does too. I know they used to remove an unknown amount of face cards in blackjack. Now they stop the deck when they get to the marker, instead of going through all of it. Real blackjack rules are to use 6 full decks of cards, and deal through all of it. Something they don’t do, cus you then you could count cards and up your own odds.
Cancelling withdrawals over and over again, and long verification checks – Think we all agree this is some bullshit the casinos shouldn’t be allowed to do, and this is the biggest case for saying there’s fraud in the online casino industry.
Here are just some examples of obvious corruption in sports at the highest level:
-Chelsea vs Barcelona (When the Norwegian ref won the game for barcelona. Back when Drogba and Ballack played for Chelsea)
-PSG vs Barcelona (PSG wins 4-0 at home, loses 6-1 away, just enough to put Barcelona through)
-Everything reported in the millions of documents by “football leaks”.
-2002 World Cup referees letting Korea and Japan use martial arts on the pitch without getting punished.
-Holyfield’s olympic run in boxing.
-Holyfield when asked who he thought was gonna win between Mayweather and Pacquiao: “Whoever they decided is gonna win, will win”.Wherever there’s a huge amount of money involved, there’s gonna be dishonesty by those who stand to gain, or possibly lose a lot on it.
Sounds to me like You are the main conspiracy theorist bud….And for fucks sake, stop quoting everything you personally believe as “100%”. That would make it a fact. Its not a fact, its your deluded opinion. 100%.
You’re just proving my point. People like you, who don’t know anything and trust “the system” blindly, just yell “conspiracy nut”, as if that’s your counterargument and supposed to invalidate what I’ve said and provided documentation for.
How about you bring something real to the table, instead of just insults?I have yet to see a single person who argues against this use any proof, whereas I provided video links of several situations where there was proof of my side of the argument. And believe me, there are tons more out there.
When I state something is 100%, it is. I NEVER go into an argument without proof of what I’m saying.
1Just look at it from this point of view: Why are they all based in Malta?
Tax reasons. Obviously.
That should be your first clue that they’re willing to do anything to make money, shouldn’t it?
Here’s another example of top level fraud. This game was played today, in the top league in Turkey. Istanbul, who’s on top of the table, had lost 1 game at home this season before this game, where they faced Göztepe, the 2nd worst away team in the league, the 2nd worst over all (before today), who had won only 2 away games this season. Then they lost 0-2 to this joke of a team. Istanbul has been ahead all through this season, and will now most likely lose the championship to Galatasaray on the finish line, cus they lost at home to a shit team.
People can say what they want, but things like this doesn’t happen on the top levels of football. But in turkey it happens a lot. Yet nobody seems to do anything about it. No sanctions, nothing.
I bet if you follow football, you’ve seen what’s happening with the FIFA/UEFA leaks as well? Tons of clubs have been involved in fraudulent activity, and the orgs called for sanctions against them as soon as it came out. But as time passed, people lost interest, and it got so watered down that they get away with it with a slap on the wrist.
A Norwegian student was killed in London by some arab prince a few years ago. The prince was transported back to his country, with diplomatic immunity from Britain and all the way home, so he didn’t have to face his charges.
The people voted for Brexit, MPs keep voting against it by a huge margine.
Money talks. If you have enough money, you can do what you want. I think it’s pretty obvious, but then people just yell “conspiracy nut” and laugh, which has been the goal of the people controlling you from the very start.
You’re indoctrinated. You’re their prisoner and you don’t even know it.Again, someone who defends the casinos. Amazing.Banter.
You say obviously corruption exists. But you don’t say in the gambling world, just generally.Can corruption in this industry happen? Absolutely.On this very page.
And just because “rigged” isn’t the only option, doesn’t mean it isn’t.I agree with you.
The black jack dealer was (someone said here I think) sacked.It was me that said that. I read a whole case about it a while back. They interviewed him and tried to investigate why he did what he did (apparently) and refused to answer any questions. I agree this is a dodgy af one.
Casinomeister lists a whole host of rogue casinos and while I am not saying every casino is playing beyond the house edge, and without evidence to prove there is, or isn’t, it is equally wrong to say (from nowhere) that casino is corrupt or indeed that casino isn’t corrupt.Although, again, I actually agree with you, surely ‘innocent until proven guilty’ should play a factor here? If we don’t apply it, then where do we draw the line? Sometimes in life we have to be more trusting, it’s no wonder anxiety is such a prolific issue in this day and age.
I’m certainly not buying this bullshit excuse (was it argyl who said it?) that because a casino is bigger, it is somehow less likely to be corrupt.I said it. Risk and reward!
And could the gov.commission be turning a blind eye in some way shape or form as someone has said already ? I would suffer no form of shock if it was.So what’s the advantage to them doing this? They could incur absolutely huge financial and operational penalties on the casino at fault (as they have done, particularly in the last couple of years). Even if the casino was to bribe them, this would never amount to even close to the penalties they could inflict.
Not to mention the scale of this corruption would be absolutely unprecedented if what people are saying in this thread was true.
The advantage to them doing this is simple – Like another guy said here earlier: The regulators/inspectors send them an email, saying when they’ll come and to pick them up at the airport. I have no doubt this is how they do it. This means they can get away with it until the next control, 2 years later. If they rig stuff to make them 50k a day, that’s £18 million in 2 years. If they then forget to get rid of the evidence by the time the inspectors come, they get slapped with a 100k fine or something stupid like that, which they gladly pay, and keep doing this.
There are so many workarounds in the casino industry it’s insane. Just think about it – Why do you think each license holder has tons of casinos operating under the same license? They’re prepared to shut down a site and move the customers over to the other if shit hits the fan.
Here’s an example:
Day 1: I spoke to Simon, a support rep at VoodooDreams.
Day 2: I spoke to Simon, a support rep at NYSpins.
Turns out NYSPins and VoodooDreams are the same, with the same games, same license, but with different names, and their support staff works at both. Every single casino does it this way.
Don’t believe me? Go register to all the 20-odd aspire license casinos, and contact their customer service. You’ll see you’re likely talking to the same person on all 20 sites.Not to mention the fact that they gladly take your money immediately upon registering, and let you play for as long as you want without verification, but when you’ve spent 10k and you suddenly win £1000 one day and try to cash out, you have to go through a verification process, which takes days. Meanwhile they will cancel your withdrawal a few times, and send you tons of email offers, trying to get you to login again.
Any idea how much they make/save off of cancelled withdrawals per year? Bet we’re talking about hundreds of millions.Just look at it from this point of view: Why are they all based in Malta? This question alone should be enough to make people realize they’re not honest and responsible.
The simple answer is: Cus they’re left alone to do what they want, and it’s too expensive for people to sue them if something happens. Also, they don’t have to obey YOUR laws, only the maltese laws. Which none of the lawyers in your country knows anything about. Nor does any of us have the resources to follow up a case with these fuckers.Of the more popular streamers, I think someone said 4 out of 6 has had a wildline/huge win within 1000 spins on the most volatile bonus NetEnt has ever released, outside of jackpot slots. That should tell you something.
Oh lordy. Dead or Alive 2: it’s just come out, it’s getting millions of spins as thousands of players hit it each day, it’s not surprising that you’re seeing some monstrous wins after a highly anticipated new game release. These will continue for probably a couple of months as the game gets that many more frequent spins than other titles, then settle down and drop off as people start to lose interest and move on to the next new release.
Spin a win: don’t know what that is, not a game I’ve ever seen in the UK. Doesn’t looked rigged to me in the video but I’m not going to comment on something I don’t know more about.
Rocknrolla roulette: mmm, was it rigged all those times he hit jackpot numbers for 10, 20, 30k or more at a time too? I’ve seen that guy start with £40 and get it up to 3 grand in a matter of minutes from a sequence of lucky live roulette hits. He bets big, he wins big, he loses big, that’s both his thing and the nature of roulette.
Jammin’ jars: this has already been explained. The game is random in compliance with regulation, but its implementation is unusual for a slot in that each spin is more like a virtual scratchcard and not independent reel sets, hence you can get two identical wins which play out exactly the same way in the presentation to the player. Irregular for a slot to work that way, but understandable given how the slot was designed and not in any way less fair or less random than any other game, just works differently.
Blackjack: no particular comment on the video, I never played blackjack but honestly if a casino is going to cheat you at live blackjack, they’re not going to do it in such an obvious, ham-fisted way as the dealer skipping a card right in front of you on camera. Perhaps someone else can speculate on what might’ve happened with that one, I don’t know the game well enough to say but I certainly wouldn’t take one dealer’s hand slipping on one round on one casino as proof that it’s deliberately rigged. Again I’ve seen Rocknrolla win loads of high stake consecutive blackjack hands.
This very site gets dozens of submissions every week of ordinary, non-affiliated players on slots hitting wins up to hundreds and even thousands of times their stake. If casinos and providers between them are in a conspiracy to rig games and cheat players out of money, the Big Wins page is solid evidence they’re not very good at it.
Again, someone who defends the casinos. Amazing.
For every submission on this page, I’m willing to bet everything I own that every single one of them have invested more than they posted in the big wins.You’re really being way too uncritical of the guys in this business. I’m not saying Paul, Steve and the rest of the streamers can’t be trusted. What I’m saying is that there are always things behind the scenes that you and I don’t know about.
Do you really think casinos are willing to risk players like Rocknrolla and Bandit knocking them for 100k each every day? No. They’re not gonna leave it to chance. Initially the games are likely as described, but if someone is rolling huge, the casinos will have safeguards that come out of the closet to stop people from winning too much. Safeguards which regulators either don’t see, or are paid to not see.
It’s actually incredible to me how people can blindly trust and all out defend someone who’s set up shop in Malta to avoid local/national regulations everywhere else.
I pretty much stand 100% with Bio Hazard in this topic, and I agree that a proper debate is impossible because those who think it’s rigged can’t fathom any form of counter argument.
A simple way of putting it is like this. Let’s say someone gives you a machine and says – no matter what this machine will make you £250k per year without fail. You decide to “rig” it to try and get the machine to make you £300k per year. If you’re caught, your business is fined, you’re shut down and will never operate again. You now will not get your guaranteed 250k per year all because you wanted a little more.
That is basically a casino model. The games are designed to mathematically win in the long run. If you flipped a coin the bookies would offer you odds of 5/6 on heads 5/6 on tails. You play a thousand times and win 50% of your games (as you should) but they have still profited over you because of the way the game is structured.
There is no reason to rig any game, and the RTP debate should not be started again. Bottom line is very few people understand it and having lost from gambling on these games causes people to lose the ability to rationalise the facts involved. A game was designed to make you lose, and you lost – it’s that simple. What was meant to happen, happened – no rigging just the game randomly functioning as it should.
I’ll await some form of abuse.
So from all the videos I provided, you think it’s all just random? When there’s proof, right there, clearly showing that the casino is cheating, you still defend the casinos? Something’s wrong with your head mate.
Spin a win/Dreamcatcher Again with this one, I can see how this looks dodgy, but I think @Seedy has explained this one nicely. The same thing has happened on Dreamcatcher before. This is a giant wheel that spins on an axis of some sort, it’s mechanical, at times things are going to go wrong, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that there are controllable brakes that allow the casino to control the outcome how they please. Wheels like these are checked and verified all the time. It’d be so easy for them to be found out as ‘rigged’ by an independent commission if they were.How much notice do the independent commission give that they are coming out to make a “surprise visit” ?
Reminds me of Rogue Trader where the independent audit team email to say they will be arriving in a week and can they be picked up at the airport.
Exactly!
Then, after they get picked up at the airport, they’re ready booked in to a 5 star hotel, all inclusive, paid by the casinos 😉No, I’m not naive at all. I’m a realist, always have been.
This one is 100% rigged. There’s no question about it.
It’s statements like this that make debates on this forum quite often impossible.
Open your mind, see both sides and provide the corresponding evidence if you actually want to have an intellectual debate on this topic.
Let me introduce you to Joe.
Joe started out life as a pretty good egg, cared for his siblings, friends and parents. Until one day he seemingly got in with the wrong crowd and his life path changed dramatically. He got hooked on an known addiction (doesn’t matter which really does it ?) and committed crime to fund it. Inevitably he ended up in trouble with the law, getting cautions, fines, community service and eventually jail. He then went on to be jailed 4 more times until present day. He has been collared for no less than 12 crimes over 4 years.
And we’re all supposed to believe he only committed 12 crimes.
I made that story up. But it reflects the lack of yearning for the corrupt to admit to every wrong doing they have committed.
There is almost certainly a lot more corruption in the gambling industry than we find out about. I feel to think that to be wrong, is incredibly naive. I mean, what industry, sector or type of business doesn’t have corruption ? Everything except the gambling industry and it’s £14b pa payload.
And I said that with an open mind. Honestly, butter wouldn’t melt.
That’s exactly my point. Wherever there’s huge money to be made, you can bet your ass there’s fraud and corruption. Specially in the casino industry, where the casino sets all the rules, and you have no way of looking into if they are scamming you or not.
And to believe the 3rd party regulators keep them straight is incredibly naive. Where do you think the 3rd party regulators get their paycheques from? Without the casino industry they’d be out of jobs, and their companies would be gone.
Corruption exists everywhere. Just look at your very own government. Do you think they actually work for you? When a democratic vote says leave the EU, the MPs do everything to remain. The ones who are supposed to be the best of us are the most corrupt ones, and it doesn’t seem to have any consequences for them – cus money talks.
The greatest form of control is when you think you’re free when you’re being fundamentally manipulated and dictated to. One form of dictatorship is being in a prison cell and you can see the bars and touch them. The other one is sitting in a prison cell but you can’t see the bars but you think you’re free.
What the human race is suffering from is mass hypnosis. We are being hypnotized by newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers etc. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we’re told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous.
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