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Jazzee wrote:

If you plan playing 100 quid spins on 1 of these games and decide to just buy the bonus for 100 then leave it regardless I don’t see any harm in it. You could have thousands of spins without a feature or buy is for 100.

My gripe is with the buy feature then gamble like in Extra Chilli. That should have been banned from day 1. For a problem gambler on Extra Chilli you could lose what £2,000 in <10 secs then rinse and repeat. I have had Chilli Feature Buys go >5 spins losing the first gamble multiple times. So it has the potential to lose £10k in less than a minute.That is absolute madness.

I even did a trial on £10 feature buys on EC to see how long it would take to get to 24. I gave up on my first time reaching 20 spins because it cost me £160 to get there once….. for 20 spins on a 20p stake feature….. Got back about ~£15. Imagine on £2k feature buys thats £32k in to return what £1500. This took what 10 mins max.

I dont see the issue with the buy feature and actually get a feature straigh away ala White Rabbit or Book of Gods. At least there you are going to get something… albeit possibly 1x but still you see some action.

 

 

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i got so lucky on this… did the usual max hive on 20p… then started upping my stake. No clue how many spins evenutally ended up betting £10 a spin which is miles outside my comfort zone. I remember i deposited essentially my last penny before i would be using money i couldnt really afford was about £3500 in by this point. Finally it landed. Was so nervous becasue i know the bonus can still be shit. Bonus for £10 went for around £4k. Never ever again have i played this slot or will.

This and Extra Chilli. Two worst slots ever made for a gambler imo.

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I can say 100% no in my expereince from Paddy Power.

Self excluded there yonks ago totally forgot i even played there, set up a new account (i have moved several times since then i guess why it wasnt picked up), played, won. Got my withdrawal immediately follwed by an email saying “your account is suspended due to responsible gambling”.

Spoke to chat they mentioned the old account self exlcuded and that was that. They said as a rule they do not open self excluded accounts regardless of time elapsed.

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Is it normal for play money to show a currency? If i recall whenver i have done it it just shows as “credits”.  His has the Euro symbol both in front of the balance and the bet amount. Been ages so that might not be true anymore. Also i am 100% sure your balance doesnt carry over everytime you re-open you get a set amount 1,000 or 5,000 or whatever.

For sure this guy is dodgy somehow i just dont see it as remotely possible to bet as high as he does and not bankrupt yourself. Either he is the luckiest guy on the planet, rich as hell or something isnt right and he has some sort of deal. The last one seems the most likely.

N1 Just got accredited over the CM and the rep has been active there saying that he can see Roshteins deposits and withdrawals and they are all legit. Says he gets good bonuses but thats it. If he wins he wins no caps on withdrawals. So again you can either believe the rep, the truth is above his pay grade or he is in on some of the dodginess and covering up. Again i would say it is one of the last two options but thats just my opinion.

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centipede wrote:

BGuts wrote:

I still struggle to see the motive for rigging it. Surely on this roulette tables you have 100’s of players. So they calculate what is the best number for them and get it to land there everytime? What would be the point in that seeing that if they just let it play out they would win in the long run anyway.

Whilst I do see the point of this mate, I just think greed plays a major role in the human species.

If someone said to you, i can pay you £1 week doing things the right way, or i can pay you £20 a week but hope no-one finds out what we are doing, sometimes peoples decisions are based on the here and now

obviously the values arent on the same scale, and in a supposed market that is saturated with casinos, the business may feel that it has to protect its future by maybe making dodgy decisions

 

Protecting its future…. exactly how not to do this is by rigging the games. You get caught i imagine someone goes to jail and business gets massive fine. And if its in the position it needs to rig to survive then it wont survive a fine.

And for the type of rigging we are talking here that is some serious engineering. That would surely involve a boat load of people you are relying on not to talk. All it takes is one p***ed off employee and boom its exposed. Even those who are maybe not directly involved in the rigging itself would notice somehting dodgy on the roulette machine in either the way the ball behaves or something around it.

I am sure dodgy stuff goes on with casinos but that to me doesnt make any sense at all.

The dodgy part they can do legally is around scrupulous ts&cs and verification. They dont have to put much effort in to decide they are not paying and as a player it would be a huge ballache to get any joy out of the commision or ombudsman even then you are unlikely to be succesfull.

 

 

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I still struggle to see the motive for rigging it. Surely on this roulette tables you have 100’s of players. So they calculate what is the best number for them and get it to land there everytime? What would be the point in that seeing that if they just let it play out they would win in the long run anyway.

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Andymitzy wrote:

I’ve had a few quid through it and find it slow also I find u get 3x diamonds loads and loads without a tease. Also I can’t remember having more than 2 wins in one spin out of 4 bonuses not many in normal spins tbh either. Has great potential for a massive win had 100x one bonus out of 4 the rest terrible. That was off one hit I think so does have potential. Just so slow and boring it’s hard to explain ha

Thats what i found so infuriating the number of times you get 3 diamonds would suggest a bonus is quite common but is it hell.

Also the amount of times you get 3 diamonds without a win to have acascade also seems a bit dodgy to me. I thought games by the rules werent allowed to tease more than would be theortically posisble (not sure if that makes any sense) .

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This game is my nemesis… wouldnt even want to know how much i am down.

I will go to play saying no buys just play for a bonus. 300 spins later i will just take the discount bonus… of course insta lose gamble so then tilt lose a fortune on bonus buys.

I have had 24 spins once….. and it was <100x.

Personally i am not a fan of bonus buys because of speed at which you can lose a significant sum.

Temple of treasue is another nemesis of mine. I must have bought >100 features yet to win the prized 15 spins with 10,000 ways.

 

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Hopefully ok to bump this old thread…

Just got a request for source of wealth from Casumo. I thought not a problem done the questionaire on other sites, but looking into it they want me to upload a copy of my payslip or bank statement and name my employer….. i guess I am not the only one hesitant to give my employer details to a bloody casino.

I can show my bank statemnet with regular pay coming in easy (was going to blank out most of my employer name) but if the employer details is a must then its bye bye Casumo. Anyone else had this? Whats your thoughts on it?

Never had a casino ask for that level of detail. Had some odd ones like pictures of cards i hadnt used in 2 years and since expired but this is intrusive to say the least.

One more thing to add they say this is regulation. So in my head would mean you cracked a certain number… e.g £5k net deposit but that isnt the case at all For the year my net deposit is a random number not even at all and same for lifetime… both down btw 🙁

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In reality it saves shit ton of ballache compared to the Malta based crowd. Also a soft check doesn’t effect anything and wont show the casino your credit score just identity information. If you are happy to send passports, scan cards, driving license etc i dont see what the issue is.

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Congrats on a big win on W-HILL never had that. In other casinos i have never had my account frozen however a large withdrawal will normally take longer to be approved. I beleive the cutoff for compulsory checks as per the UK rules is £2,500 but i’m sure someone more informed could confirm.

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awesomex wrote:

BGuts wrote:

with your complete lack of trust for the industry i really dont understand why you even waste your time on a gambling forum

I do agree with you on the withdrawal side.. .that does irritate me greatly. Sites are getting better at that imo although there are still some completly ridiculous requests. I have heard take a selfie at the sign on your street, selfie next to your passport. These things are just crazy.

But to think the games are rigged i just cant see. I could see it (still a stretch) if the casino provided the games… however say A CASINO wanted to rig a slot they additionally need to get the game provider on board. I cant attest to intimate knowledge of how the casino – game provider relationship works, but i would imagine the game provider has little to gain or loss from the actual slot results themselves. So it would be 100% not in there interest to rig the game. .

Even if they did profit or lose on the actual slot results take Net Ent, how many millions of spins must they have on their games across all casinos that even if someone won massive on one casino it would be evened out by the volume across all the other sites.

 

Fair enough with slots, but with live games it’s different. Let’s make it clear, I don’t think slots are rigged, but I do believe it’s possible to rig them, should someone really want to do it. It’s been done on the user end on online novomatics, so I can’t see how a casino can’t physically do it.

Another part of it is this: NO online casinos are allowed to deliver services to Norway. They do it anyway though. According to the Norwegian gambling commission (lotteritilsynet) and parliament, they are breaking the law by providing services to customers based in Norway. So there’s that.

Another thing I think is shady is how when You and I play a slot at online casinos and we have bonus funds active, there are restrictions to which games you can play. The streamers don’t seem to have that. I’ve seen them all play DoA2 with bonus funds, yet we’re not even able to open the game when we have an active bonus. This means the casinos must have changed the accounts for the affiliates, cus they don’t even trigger a message or anything when they do the same. This is something I also think is messed up, cus 50% of their balance is provided by the casino, and then they can go and hit a huge win on DoA2 which happens all the time, and go wager it on a wager friendly game like Bonanza after, and get a nice cashout.

If i recall that Novomatic case properly was it not that a player found a way to hack the communication between the novo server and before the result was given. Assuming we are talking about the same thing. I dont think it was a rigged game jsut that someone had found a loophole to determine the result and were they not upping there bet for the wins. Which assuming i am correct means we arent talking about the same thing here.

Again with live games i really dont understand why they would rig the games. Look at roulette , online casinos must make an aboslute mint from that without even bothering to rig it. I cant recall the RTP of roulette but its hardly in the players favour to begin with so again a reputable casino e.g Casumo or W.Hill why would they bother? Working in business everything revolves around risk. a. imagine the number of people that would be involved in rigging roulette games from both the casino and the provider, b. the consequences if you are caught. If it is a reputable business well firstly they wouldnt even have the conversation seriouisly and if they did they would rule it out instantly. You would be risking the entire business for the sake a few % points on your margin. Not to mention likely jail time and ruining your entire career.

As i say earlier dont get me wrong if you go to Bobs Roulette run out of a caravan at the fun park at the beach, then Bob would probably have far more reason to rig his roulette machine. William Hill i would say as close to as much chance of that as there is of me getting a fecking bonus on Final Countdown! So basically zero 😀

 

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with your complete lack of trust for the industry i really dont understand why you even waste your time on a gambling forum

I do agree with you on the withdrawal side.. .that does irritate me greatly. Sites are getting better at that imo although there are still some completly ridiculous requests. I have heard take a selfie at the sign on your street, selfie next to your passport. These things are just crazy.

But to think the games are rigged i just cant see. I could see it (still a stretch) if the casino provided the games… however say A CASINO wanted to rig a slot they additionally need to get the game provider on board. I cant attest to intimate knowledge of how the casino – game provider relationship works, but i would imagine the game provider has little to gain or loss from the actual slot results themselves. So it would be 100% not in there interest to rig the game. .

Even if they did profit or lose on the actual slot results take Net Ent, how many millions of spins must they have on their games across all casinos that even if someone won massive on one casino it would be evened out by the volume across all the other sites.

 

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Why would the casino rig the game and risk being closed down never mind any potential criminal proceeding? The games… every one.. are already rigged… legally in their favour. Why would you risk a legal advantage to take an extra what 1% or 2% then potentially lose it all? It doesnt make any logical sense and any reputable business would weigh the risks and determine the same.

Dont get me wrong I am sure there are dodgy casinos out there but if you stick to UK Licensed, well known casinos i cant see how you can go wrong.

If you think they are rigged (beyond what they legally already are) then just dont bother nobody forces anyone to play

 

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