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trr420 wrote:

BioHazard .Blaming the customer for ‘not checking’ is not a viable counter-argument. I can say the same about a player blaming the Casino for not checking. The Casino doesn’t state anywhere in the terms and conditions it will pay out a certain percentage on a certain game forever. So when you agree to their terms and conditions, you agree that you can’t blame the Casino for not paying out a certain RTP for each game.

Well, sure you can say it, but it really doesn’t mean anything. We can all say anything we like, but they’re just words.

I don’t think anyone here has blamed a casino for not paying out a certain RTP for each game? If you haven’t yet gathered, everyone here is disputing the way that players were notified.

trr420 wrote:

The conclusion being all yous people are mad Videoslots didn’t do something for you, that yous all could have done for yourself.

What a strange assumption to make. You sure seem to enjoy being wrong.

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I’m genuinely impressed that this topic has caused such a substantial debate.

Surely it’s as simple as; if a casino changes the RTP of a slot, they make that clear as day to their customers. Videoslots did not do this. Blaming the customer for ‘not checking’ is not a viable counter-argument.

If Videoslots, as a business, want to lower their RTP to make operating in certain countries more affordable for them, then fair play, crack on. But it needs to be clear, particularly when it is an in-life change such as this.

Perhaps UKGC, amongst other regulatory bodies, needs to enforce some sort of minimum RTP visibility of some sort to all providers and/or casinos. That way, it takes any ambiguity away and everyone has full clarity on what risk they are taking on against their bankroll.

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eejit101 wrote:

Where the hell do you all find this info about each other from?

Tickled me this did, I was thinking the same ?

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trr420 wrote:

i can’t complain about the RTP as it doesn’t actually mean anything.

Of course it means something ? the worse the RTP, the shorter the session and the worse the return, on average… I’m not sure what you’re getting at here?

trr420 wrote:

The main issue with you is the fact you think you are important and able to make a change. However, the truth is that you can’t and won’t.

Actually, if anyone here can make a difference, it’s eejit, as he actually works in the industry.

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trr420 wrote:

If you go and play a slot machine without looking at the RTP before spending money on it, then you can’t complain about not getting a higher RTP than it actually tells you that you will get. How do you think it came to your attention, that the RTP was lowered? The smart people checked it!! It is like taking a fcking credit card out without knowing the interest rate, as you didn’t bother to check the interest rate.
Yous also don’t even understand how many spins the RTP is representative of. I know over 96% of yous will never realise the true RTP of a slot machine, 92% RTP or not…as you will never spin it enough times to confirm it fair.
If you want me to tell you the truth, nobody anywhere can or will ever prove a slot, roulette, blackjack or online poker game to be fair or not fair. Yous all simply reply on a corrupt system and the corruption that surrounds the regulations of that system to be telling the truth from the off. That alone is questionable. However, even if it was fact.. it would NOT mean you would make money… or lose money, over a LIFE TIME or FEW DAYS of playing.
If you want to invest money in a Solicitor, to take them to Court, you should save your money wisely and not gamble any of it. When you do that, you will maybe realise that the reason you are going to Court is useless.. as now SINCE YOU DIDN’T GAMBLE YOUR MONEY, you are actually sure to have money to spend on whatever you please.
I highly suggest not going to a Solicitor and actually spending it on something to help take away the pain… as yous are all clearly butt hurt over not winning money.
If the RTP was70% and you won a jackpot of 1 million pound, i doubt you would protest about the RTP.
This whole forum and the whole gambling community is full of people that encourage higher tax, more regulations and heavily criticise the biggest and best Casinos and providers while voting in power the people that actually scam them.
The fcking Mafia can reward players more than the Governments will allow. If it hurts you all so much to lose 2% RTP over millions of spins on average, why not spend the money of a hooker to sit on your face and stop you crying out loud? Get some Weed and Chill the fck out. The whole world does not, I REPEAT DOES NOT revolve around you and your chance of winning enough money back from what you gambled. I could buy every possible sequence of lotto number available, it has been done, and still lose money. That is because the expected return is less than my investment. However, it would be a nightmare to pull of and no FUN. Gambling is meant to be fun, not an investment. 90% rtp or over still offers fun. If that is actually the minimum RTP.

What a crock of shit.

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I’ve never understood why Steve always plays Play N Go’s on Videoslots. See it time after time, but he does know it’s reduced RTP as he’s mentioned it before!

No wonder they rinse him ?

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Great work John, good to hear stories like this.

Keep it up!

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Yeah that’s brutal, and I feel you! My lowest was 10x I believe, on £4/spin. ?

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BRUN wrote:

so nobody actually knows ?

could it all be demo money in reality ?

Pretty sure @Seedy answered you, buddy.

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BRUN wrote:

Biohazard, many slots have changed over the last year or so

A lot of Playtech now have reduced RTP at various sites, so its perfectly legal and does happen

I never once said slots can’t change, of course they can. My point was, the gamble isn’t tied to the RTP. What they could have changed is the paytable, hit frequency etc. but the gamble wouldn’t have been touched as it is a separate entity.

A gamble at reduced RTP doesn’t really make sense… The actual source of the win is already derived from a <100% RTP system, so you’d basically be trimming an already trimmed result.

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Guys, let me be real clear on this so there is no mistake. The gamble has absolutely zero impact on the RTP – they are completely independent facets.

Unless something has changed (and I’m not even sure if this would be legal to do so), the gamble is a true gamble – 50/50.

Steve lost a lot of money, but he was also playing on £40/spin. Not hitting a top in that session in no way whatsoever indicates that the slot or gamble is ‘rigged’. Simple maths would tell you that outcome is actually pretty likely.

Also, just throwing it out there from my own experiences on the game. I’d been unable to hit the top at all on this game over numerous sessions until they redesigned it. I’ve hit the top twice now over three or four sessions on the game. Could I make the same argument then that the gamble is actually better than 50/50 now?! No, of course not. It’s the same. It just worked out for me these times, and it didn’t before. That’s it.

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Casinos want you to carry on gambling. Games aren’t compensated, so it doesn’t matter if he’s £50k in or not, the house still has the edge. As long as there is a house edge, the casino will want you to carry on because chances are they’ll make even more off you.

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Considering mine paid 1 fucking x, yes that is wrong that you are sad. ?

Great win bud, good to see.

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Wild North, Steamtower and Million Pound Drop all tend to bonus very quickly.

Megaways games do not.

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