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Oh god guys don’t
Yeah I think things have got a bit carried away the last couple of days. We obviously have a lot of passionate members here, which is a good thing. I think debates are good for this forum, but yeah you’re right, probably does look a bit daunting for potential new members when the back and forth is just as relentless as it has been.
You will never change a person’s opinion, whether it is right or wrong.
I remember when I was first getting deployed to Afghan and my RSM told me don’t ever try and reason with anyone who is willing to die for what they believe in. He also said shoot first and blag the report later but that’s a bit harsh for this topic lol
So you’re saying we should shoot first…
Oh god guys don’t ??
Yeah I think things have got a bit carried away the last couple of days. We obviously have a lot of passionate members here, which is a good thing. I think debates are good for this forum, but yeah you’re right, probably does look a bit daunting for potential new members when the back and forth is just as relentless as it has been.
You two would make perfect mods, both always here to offer advice when requested. Not my website but I would certainly have you both involved if it was. I personally don’t think the forum would be the same without Andy and Hazs contributions.
I may not agree with everything that is said on this forum, but this I can wholeheartedly agree with. ^
12Sorry @Seedy, this didn’t need to be in this thread. I don’t know why it was brought up here… I just wanted a hug. ?
I just came in to this thread for the free hug, I haven’t even posted in it until now…why is my name being mentioned as if I’ve done something wrong?
Never mind. One hug please ?
Post 3 (see my reply for clarity) which you flat out ignored
And if Bio wants to know exactly what I took offence to, it was this “I’m sorry, but you’re really starting to embarrass yourself now.”
As if slots aren’t designed and programmed for profit (rigged for profit) with some random usage and that no one can see it but me. The implication that slots are 100% random is utterly wrong. You cannot state one is spin is ABSOLUTELY unconnected to another spin.
Anyone who claims otherwise is corrupt. Here, have a random spin. Here’s another. Oh no, I must pay out 50p before the government notices… here’s 50p. Disappointing to see these guys being allowed to promote utter lies and use insults to back them up.
Why are you carrying this on? You called me a liar in that thread that I was responding to, and you’ve just done it again. I’m obviously going to defend myself. And yes, I truly believe you are embarrassing yourself. You have absolutely zero proof to back up what you’re saying, I have basically an unlimited supply from every source that is in anyway connected to slots. A quick google search to “are slots random” will give you thousands of results backing up exactly what I’m saying here.
One spin is ABSOLUTELY unconnected to another spin. Hey, look, I said it again! Now what? The mad thing about this is, this is barely even an opinion-based topic. Unless we are talking about isolated cases, it’s a fact that they are random and (again) not compensated. Why are you struggling so hard to understand this?
I’m gonna hug you all so hard.
You need take your hazmat suit off or trying to pass my germs onto you will not work :_(
I keep it on at all times for exactly this reason 😉
1[ src=”/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/48118/mew0pfqm8kor15na58s2bee3eko5rpg4.jpg” alt=””] On a slot Haz, you/we are, over time (whatever amount of time that is) due to lose 3.5%. In that time, you are also due to win 96.5% – 100% random or absolute random makes this impossible to achieve.96.5% is the THEORETICAL RTP. It is not a “sure thing”. It can deviate slightly (the actual RTP stats on VideoSlots can confirm this).
However, that being said, over millions of spins, you will find the actual results to be incredibly close to the theoretical RTP, because that’s how the law of averages work. It’s a solid business model for a casino because randomness over a large sample size is incredibly reliable.
Yeh I agree. Happy there giving anything, it’s not like I would have any idea how to take it further.
Thanks the input.
Sorry bud, I know it’s a disgusting feeling. At least it’s better than nothing!
All the best.
You realise if you look at my reply above, you can clearly see YOUR problem.
Not at all, there is no problem with my post, everything I have said there is both true and accurate.
If you would like to explain why you (incorrectly) believe it to be wrong, I’d be happy to have that debate with you.
Sorry Bio, but this has gone on long enough and I have more than demonstrated how wrong you and argyl are. You and argyl are trying to state the every single spin is 100% random and has zero connection to any other spin. That is 100% wrong. You cannot have a fixed RTP/profit with no rigged connection to EVERY spin.
Rules don’t prove a thing. Genuine LOGIC does. Every spin plays a part of the intake and outgoing cash flow of the RTP and Profit.
This is really getting silly now and I am really concerned about your and argyl motives. No one should be posting systemic lies here about how slots work. I’m not 100% stupid. Profit is the industry motive. If you are going to try and discredit this, come with more than legislation. Legislation rules and laws say no child should needlessly die on this planet. Yet they are dropping like poverterial flies.
Profits rule. the customer comes last. Random is slotted in between and trying to assert it has some form of governance is corrupt.
I’m sorry, but you’re really starting to embarrass yourself now. One day you’ll look back at all of your comments and realise how wrong you actually are.
It was clear from this thread that you made back in November that you have no idea how RTP works:
You seem to really struggle with the concept of RTP and randomness. I can only put this down to you being too friendly with pub slots? Pub slots are compensated, which means they recall all ins and outs and manipulate the outcome accordingly. Online slots do not work in this way. They are random.
“You cannot have a fixed RTP/profit with no rigged connection to EVERY spin.”
Of course you can?! The way that the payouts and frequency of such are built into the algorithm of the slot behind the scenes, means that the RNG can generate a unique string over millions of spins and the end result will be incredibly close to the theoretical RTP that the designers intended it to be. Please learn the law of averages if you disagree with this. You’d be surprised at how predictable long-term randomness actually is. It is more than enough security to yield a profit for a business.I can’t believe you won’t back down on this, it’s ridiculous. Ask absolutely anyone who works in the industry, works for any provider or casino slot designer. Ask anyone that works in the many regulatory committees or the UK gambling commission. They will all agree with me on this, and they will tell you how wrong you are.
I’m not one to be this blunt when I believe someone is wrong, but I think what you are spouting is very toxic and dangerous to those reading it. It is incorrect, and it is harmful.
Finally, I must add, why would I lie about this? What’s in it for me? I have absolutely zero affiliation with any providers, casinos, literally anything even associated. I’m a player, just like most others on this forum. I gamble, I lose, just like anyone else. Please, before posting again, get your facts right.
You realise if you look at my reply above, you can clearly see YOUR problem.
Not at all, there is no problem with my post, everything I have said there is both true and accurate.
If you would like to explain why you (incorrectly) believe it to be wrong, I’d be happy to have that debate with you.
Each individual spin is absolutely unique and independent from all of the others.
Absolute you say. This 100% random lie needs to stop.
What is your problem this time? Are you saying that each individual spin is not unique and independent from the others? If so, you’re wrong. No other way to put it.
Math dictates that every spin you do you’re closer to getting a bonus. If it’s mathematically due simply depends on how many spins you’ve done, compared to the average amount of spins a bonus is programmed to take.
Because of variance though that something is due, doesn’t mean it will come, but it mean you’re more likely to get it than if you’re lets say 18 spins into the game
Not entirely true. I did do a long post on a similar topic to this last week, which sort of implies what you are suggesting here, but it’s inaccurate to describe it in this way. The law of averages does dictate that, the more spins you have, the less likely you’re not going to hit a bonus (as each individual spin has a chance of hitting the bonus, multiplying that by a load of spins obviously increases the chance of hitting it). But it would be a gambler’s fallacy to apply this thinking to each individual spin.
Each individual spin is absolutely unique and independent from all of the others. The slot does not know how many spins you’ve had on it, nor will it compensate accordingly.
To put this another way. Let’s say a slot bonuses 1 in every 100 spins on average. Let’s say you’ve now done 300 spins on it with no bonus. The 301st spin that you’re about to do has the exact same odds as every single other spin that you’ve done of landing the bonus. However, the odds of going through 301 spins in the first place without hitting a bonus is fairly low, just like it’s unlikely you’ll go another 300 spins without hitting a bonus. But that next 300 is no more unlikely than the first 300.
Sorry, I don’t think I’ve explained it well, but hopefully that makes sense. A bonus is never due, no matter how much it feels like it is! I do exactly the same, I get stubborn on a slot and continue until it bonuses as I feel I am ‘owed’ it. 😛
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