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At the end of the day, it’s in their terms. I admit it’s a bit confusing as it’s a bonus buy on a certain stake, but the official line is, the bonus buy amount is the stake. I’d probably take their offer as it’s unlikely you’ll be able to improve on it.

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Damo wrote:

Just remembered about this.. i guess tonight didn’t happen??

It did happen!

Backinamo/TGC Home game#3

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Haz40 wrote:

Well after all these posts today. The disagreements, the explanations and all the years gambling with all the experience I have obtained. After everything I have learnt I think I know the answer. So here it is. Click the mouse and hope for the best. ????

Amen ?

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Mr B wrote:

Ok Bio, give us an example of a truly random pick bonus on a slot. Also, give proof it is 100% random.

I can’t do that, as I don’t know of any. Providers are very quiet around which of their games are fully pre-determined or not. I know that Blueprints are fully pre-determined, but that’s about it. All I can say is what rules and guidelines (that all providers who want to be licensed here in the UK must adhere to) are prescribed by the Gambling Commission, and that is that they can have either.

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ImperialDragon wrote:

Biohazard, that’s interesting about a few of the pick bonuses being truly random.

Every spin on a slot generates a ticket.  A bonus is usually a ticket itself.  For bonuses that have a gamble ladder like in Millionaire and Chilli, each rung determines how the bonus will unfold or the likelihood of the next gamble winning if you decide to gamble.  So every successive rung generates a new ticket.

For a pick-based bonus that is entirely predetermined, the picks and the subsequent free spins will all be generated on the 1 ticket.  For truly random picks though, does each pick change the ticket on the outcome of the spins?

I believe what normally happens in this scenario, is each spin of the free spins on those particular games would request a new ticket for each spin, under the parameters of what was determined by the picks. This is half a guess though based on what I’ve read and what I’ve been told, can’t say I’m 100% certain on that one.

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Mr B wrote:

The answer is 100% yes. Don’t let anyone try to confuse you. Profit dictates the outcome, random plays a sub part. The industry will want you to think otherwise. Profit is the boss. Not random.

In the context of what the OP is asking here, the only post that will confuse them is this one. In regards to pick games, he has asked whether the outcome of the picks themselves is pre-determined. The correct answer is not always, but most of the time.

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Final results… and we have a new winner! Unfortunately TGC took this one, with jamkel88 taking first place for $84.50!

2-1 to us for now, let’s not let them equalise, next time we must take it down!

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I have to say, I am equally confused here. On the one hand, it feels like we all actually agree with each other on this topic, but on the other, I can’t actually make sense of it!

Random has a control mechanism in the form of the law of averages. @Gunner articulated this well in his initial post – if we do 1,000 random coin tosses, there is a point where we know we will not deviate further in the variance between heads and tails.

RTP works in essentially the same way, but rather than being 50/50 (100% RTP), the casino takes a cut of, normally, 3 to 8%, resulting in an RTP of 92 to 97%. All that means is, in the programming of a slot, the expected return to the player over millions and millions of spins, is £0.95 out of every £1 (at 95% RTP). But I would never, ever, define that as rigged. Random is still the cause of outcome on any spin.

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Haha, welcome to the forum – yes this topic is covered a lot!

So the answer is yes and no. Officially, adhering to the rules laid out by the UK Gambling Commission, the result can either be fully pre-determined (meaning that no matter what you pick, the result is already decided) or random (meaning that the picks you make do matter). Both are essentially random at the source, so it doesn’t really matter what method is used.

Most slots these days utilise the first method, of being fully pre-determined. So yes, on these, there is no free choice. But the outcome is still random at the point you made the spin.

Hope this helps.

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Yep sorry guys! Got it in a bit rash once I flopped the flush draw, didn’t have to, but it is what it is!

Still going on now, heads up!

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So sorry to hear this bud, absolutely heartbreaking.

@andywilliams1187 is spot on though – it will get better and you will get through this. Often hard to see that in the immediate aftermath, but it will. You just have to trust us.

Sorry to hear about your dog too. If you ever want to talk, we’re all here!

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At least I can cry myself to sleep tonight.

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Change of plan guys – I’m home, deposited and about to register! Will sit out a couple of hands though whilst I prepare my food for the evening…

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ayma4quit wrote:

In theory, if the casino ends up not paying out {and I sincerely hope that’s not the case} shouldn’t the slots the wins came on have their RTP altered to account for the fact that this money wasn’t paid out??… Obviously they won’t so surely that means that to all intents and purposes Redbet have just won £11.5K using someone else’s money

That’s not how online slots work. Online slots are random and not compensated. This means that, unlike pub slots, any wins or losses don’t contribute to the future payout of that slot. Each spin is independent and random.

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