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@kojak I already told you I didn’t call you a bottom feeder, perhaps you missed it.

My intention wasn’t to lambaste you for protesting, my point was the comparisons you made in having your say (which you are entitled to) don’t sit well for me. The bollocks from the aforementioned bottom feeders is just completely stupid which I think we agree on.

You want to see what my insides look like? Has all the talk of blowjobs got you that excited? I don’t play that way so sorry to have you disappointed twice in as many days! 😉

Happy New Year to all! Even you Kojak…. 🙂

 

 

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@ LCA81 & @theguy there are a lot of people here who know much more about that than I do who are better placed to comment on that. I think your numbers are VERY inflated however, if it was that easy every one on here would be doing the same.

If the kind of marketing I get involved with for my company is anything like representative 1-2% conversation rate is good, certainly not 10.

But as I say some of the guys here can offer much better insight into that than I can.

Nice to see some genuine replies for a change without the insults! Thanks! 🙂

 

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theguy wrote:

BJM86 wrote:

@theguy no the forum isn’t monetised, the website obviously contains his links but the forum itself isn’t monetised.

What I was trying to get at is there is little or no benefit to Bandit for people signing up to his site, he gets nothing for that alone.

Forums often have deals with various advertisers etc for active users which would be different.

Compare how many entered in paid giveaways this month versus last one.  He made bank with this “free giveaway” and I don’t know he uses email and name info that we were required to provide in order to enter.

That’s a fair point but I have a vague memory that he did say something about loads of people signing up to those giveaways in error.

<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>I guess only Bandit would have that answer but even if the giveaway signups delivered a net profit, it’s very unlikely to be to the tune of £6k which he is still giving away.</span>

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@theguy no the forum isn’t monetised, the website obviously contains his links but the forum itself isn’t monetised.

What I was trying to get at is there is little or no benefit to Bandit for people signing up to his site, he gets nothing for that alone.

Forums often have deals with various advertisers etc for active users which would be different.

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kojak wrote:

@bjm86 (blowjob man?) That cheered my morning up no end. Would you call me a “bottom feeder” in real life? I suspect not, you jumped up little keyboard warrior. I think you need to read everything I’ve written you little prick, I’m no parasite and certainly not holding my cap out for a handout, I’m simply representing the “other” side as most of the fan-boys here are championing the decision to cancel a prize draw after it’s supposed to have happened.  I’m glad that the charities are getting the money, but this draw wasn’t for charity was it, the video was recorded as a Christmas giveaway for the forum. I’m not in need of money and I never for a moment expected to win anything, neither do I feel entitled, I just said it leaves a very nasty taste when something is put in place to get the forum members buzzing then it’s taken away.

Sounds about right. First of all I didn’t call you a bottom feeder, read it properly and you’ll see it says “you, and all the bottom feeders”. You see the punctuation is the key there.
It says a lot about you that you immediately get aggressive throwing insults when you don’t like what someone has said about you / the rubbish you posted.

Shame you didn’t afford the same consideration to Bandit before you threw your opinions around, that would be a balanced view.

Truth is that people signed up to a website, which has no monetary value whatsoever, bandit doesn’t monetise the forum and it would need to go some 100 fold to get anywhere near being possible.

The sad thing is that posts like yours are probably only reinforcing the feeling that he won’t want to go a free giveaway again, he tried to do something nice and morons spoilt it. To add salt into the wounds he gets this kind of rubbish thrown at him too.

BJM – blow job MASTER, cant even get that right. ?

 

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Andrew J wrote:

hi i am not going to lie but this has pissed me off u shouldnt say if ur going to not going to do it. yes its better for charitey but there people are wasting there time entering and looking for the draws i dont see its its fair, sort ur head out bandit/steve not really fair who are supporters of urs and u let us down, u should make the giveaway better!!! love ya allways andrew xxxxxxx

Wow, I’ve read that a good 15 times and I’ve still got no idea what it says!!!
The only people who have let anyone down are the scum bags who cheated.

Steve sort his head out? Come on…. that’s moronic.

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kojak wrote:

choody79 wrote:

This ‘IT’S FREE SO WHY ARE PEOPLE MOANING’ is getting on my nipple ends.

People are putting forward constructive points for and against. It may be ‘free’ but gains have been made from it ie subs and no doubt sign ups via affiliate links. This makes it click bait IMO.

Again, like I said earlier, it’s great charities will gain from this but i can also understand frustrations. For me it’s not the draw but the guys on here and twitter that are so far up Bandits arse and the ‘but its free’ patter.

Cant argue with that.

It’s free, yes, but members here add value to the forum (yes, forums are commodities and with enough traffic they can be heavily monitised) plus – and I know this is an age old argument with no right or wrong solution – bandit doesn’t run the slot vids for nothing, or because hes feeling especially benevolent towards his followers… it’s a business at the end of the day. Early days (and yes, I’ve been a fan for a long-ass time!) it was constant grinding to gather followers, then once the 5 figures was hit and there were many hundreds of casino sign-ups via his links, content slowed down significantly to a video a week.

Make of that what you will. I know that I would speculate that Bandit has hit a figure he’s comfortable with in terms of affiliation payments and stopped providing as much content… like a TV channel eager to sign you up with loads of new shows, but then only giving you a trickle of decent stuff once you’ve joined up.

End of the day I’m not arsed where the money goes, but offering it as a viewer prize and then doing a last minute ‘180’ is a bit of a shitty move ain’t it? And that’s not a swipe, I like Steve a lot and I admire what he’s done, what he’s doing and what he stands for.  I’d say the same to anyone.  There was a monster profit on the lil devil vid with a great prize offered to BiaM members and it went elsewhere. Bad move, if a prize is offered it should be drawn, there were loads of options other than “fuck it, cancelled”. Like binning the whole 13000 registrations and starting again with criteria added (something like a minimum 4 weeks membership, or at least one active post/comment in the last 3 months).

It’s the last I’ll say on this because I’m bored of the moaning from both sides.  I just read the Twitter feed too and I’ll say there’s a special level of hell for pricks who threaten a man’s family,  scummy little cowards!

I’ve had a laugh on the threads with folk today but to nail my colours to a mast I think the charities will all be exceptionally grateful for the boost, but cancelling the draw was a poor move, and it’ll be a while before I can feel good about watching the bandit smash profits on the videos after this one.

Really simple solution for you, and all the bottom feeders so desperate for a few quid that they’ll come here, to the place which the same guy you are slating pays to maintain, and give him this kind of bollocks.

“It’ll be a while before you can enjoy another video”…. Who do you believe you are in your tiny little world? Just don’t watch then!!!!

The arguments you put forward are crazy, do you really believe the rubbish you are posting? Comparing it to a TV channel having you sign up and then stripping the content, WTF, show me where you signed up and paid for anything…?

if you signed up to a casino via a link which bandit gets a few quid for then that’s your own choice. You are not required, nor expected to do so in order to have access to the content.

What difference does it make that the Lil Devil video was a monster profit? How do you create your messed up view of being entitled to something because of that? If he had lost would you take some of the responsibility? Completely bonkers!!!!

The one sensible thing you touch on is that there is no place for people’s idiotic threats, but equally there is no place for your childish bullshit either.

To return to my original point, if you don’t like it the solution is really simple…

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Hi Peterc2018,

Thanks for sharing, that is a difficult thing to admit and put out there for anyone to see so much respect for that.

I hope you continue your recovery.

You raise a very important point however which is how easily addicts of anything can be influenced, which ties into the current debate around whether online gambling should be limited like the FOBT’s

I’m a regular watcher of all kinds of gambling streams, videos etc but recently my feeling around it ‘helping people’ has changed dramatically and I honestly feel that it’s not, in fact the sole reason they exist is to get people to gamble.

That will likely prompt a lot of anger or abuse that people are responsible for themselves, and it’s a minority that are at risk but still the reality is that it harms people. In real terms a good proportion of those people signing up today or tomorrow are the people like you and I of today, only 5-10 years down the line.

For me something needs to be done about that, I don’t blame any of the ‘influencers’ they are serving a purpose and making a living during a specific moment in time but for me the only way that can go is down eventually.

Affiliate marketing isn’t new, but streaming is and that’s where I see the next limitations on ‘advertising’ which affiliate streaming essentially is, being enforced.

I’m a complete hypocrite because I love all the content I consume but never less the situation is the situation.

All the best for the future!!

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This gives light to a very interesting discussion, who decides when you’re done / had enough?

If we look at the laws around alcohol, those selling the product are both responsible for making sure you’re of the minimum age and what current state you are in, on the first hand objective and the second subjective. It is the responsibility if the person providing you access to that particular ‘product’ to use their discretion in determining whether to continue to provide their service to you.

As much as I love what Bandit does, the days that allow that level of deposit / loss are numbered. Eventually the regulations will catch up with other mainstream industries making the ‘intervention’ like we witnessed today more and more common.

Bandit is a special case, and given his profile the casino should be fully aware of his bankroll so in this scenario I don’t agree that they allow him to go that deep and then stop him, if that was their intention that should’ve been communicated to the player as a minimum BEFORE they get to that level of commitment.

However the casino also have to be commended, there is no illusion that they know who Bandit is and if they are willing to suspend his account then this gives a strong message to their commitment to reducing the problems which we all know go hand in hand with gambling. There are very few people that can ‘afford’ to commit that level of funds to gambling and if this happened to be an average person who they helped avoid a catastrophic scenario then I believe its worth the frustration of others.

I fully understand the argument of punishing / limiting the majority for the benefit of a minority, but given the seriousness of what we all know to be the consequences I firmly believe its worth the ‘frustration’.

Any loss of this level, regardless of how much money you earn is heartbreaking, but if you think of it with a clear head all those big wins which are posted / streamers talk about come at a price that Bandit paid in this video. The casino doesn’t lose (or very rarely loses) we are effectively on an exchange against each other, Europe wide.

My personal gambling situation has been up and down but I am recently signed up to Gamstop as I believe this is the only way to stop me throwing everything I’ve worked to build away in the long term. The guy in the pub is assessed before every drink is dispensed to him, to save him from his habit / vice and his potential to do harm to himself and others.

We are seeing the GA imposing more and more requirements on casinos to validate peoples age and funds, the only piece of the puzzle missing is the same kind of subjective safeguards becoming mandatory.

Only my opinion / insights please don’t hate, if you have a difference of opinion please share it in a decent way.

@Seedy sorry this is posted twice, I wasn’t logged in!!!

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eejit101 wrote:

This isnt a delaying tactic. They dont need this to delay it, they just leave it sat there for 72 hours before processing. this is UKGC legal requirement. Here is why….

 

Company takes money from you – they verify to the UKGC who they are. Their accounts are checked, they pass KYC and AML. They have a relationship with you to take a certain level of documents.

Company pays you money – you now need to provide further proof that the casino will keep on hold for their policies, be that AML, KYC, fraud, age, or Source of wealth.

 

This is legit. Not a tactic. I dont even know who it is, but the fact they paid the SAME DAY surely shows you that what they needed they really needed?

Hi eejit01,

Sorry I misled you on that, I meant they approved it – not paid as in money in the bank.

I just don’t buy that anyone needs the same docs twice, albeit it I don’t know the systems the same way as you perhaps do but for me and my business, anyone we deal with has a database record in our CRM and those details are there forever more, or until they are asked to be removed. I presume there are dome data protection laws at play but I very much doubt they delete them within 2 months of signing up.

I could understand if they needed something extra in order to pay me, like you say more proof of ID, AML, Source of funds – non of which they have requested. It kind of makes a mockery of the ‘verification before deposit’ regulations (if that’s even what they are yet) because that isn’t being verified at all really if you cant withdraw without further documentation.

You have much better experience in this than I do but from my perspective as the player it felt wrong reading the ‘Withdrawal Rejected’ email.

Thank for the reply and the insight 🙂

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??? leave those ?’s alone!

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I don’t want to name the Casino becuase I don’t want people to be tempted to go sign up as it’s not on GamStop. It’s the one which has caused all the Fruity Slots talk recently.

They’ve paid, literally submitted exactly the same docs again and it was approved – I don’t like that, clearly a dodgy delaying tactic.

On this occasion it burnt them, the £300 turned into £1400! ? Happy Days!

 

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£2376, Prostate Cancer UK

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Hi Benq99,

Is the problem that you need money to travel there and back?

Where are you going from and to?

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What is it with all the hate towards streamers? If you don’t like the brands they promote then don’t play there. Streamers, for the most part, are business people looking to make money – if that’s news to you, well then that’s bonkers.

By the same principles you should be having a go at Google, Bing, Facebook and anyone else who runs ads for casinos across the web. What difference does the fact that it’s a streamer linking to them make?

Also, just as a general note all the haters seem to get really personal, really quickly, which just detracts from any genuine grievances you may have, do it in a way that doesn’t immediately get the streamers back up and I’m pretty sure you’d get a reasonable response. You can’t expect someone to behave reasonably towards you when you’re calling them all sorts and suggesting they get ‘found out’ at the same time…

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